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#1 ste1010

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 01:39 PM

Hi,
Can anyone answer the following,

Will a shaft from a 816 BB DBD left handed Driver go straight into a right handed version and the optifit markings be correct or is everything reversed.

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 01:44 PM

The shaft doesn't rotate, the head does.  No problem swapping.

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 01:54 PM

View Post6thFairway, on 05 May 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

The shaft doesn't rotate, the head does.  No problem swapping.

The the settings are still the same.  I seem to remember titleist everything was opposite

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 03:58 AM

For a left handed adapter being used in a right handed club (or visa-versa), the loft settings will be reversed (sort of - see below).  The lie settings ('D' and 'N') will stay the same.

+2 = -1
+1 = standard
standard = +1
-1 = +2

Edited by Stuart G., 06 May 2017 - 03:58 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:08 AM

View PostStuart G., on 06 May 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

For a left handed adapter being used in a right handed club (or visa-versa), the loft settings will be reversed (sort of - see below).  The lie settings ('D' and 'N') will stay the same.

+2 = -1
+1 = standard
standard = +1
-1 = +2

I'm lefty.  If I get a shaft with right hand adapter is your conversion the same.  Duh, nevermind,  you said visa versa.  Learn to read helmet.

Edited by Lord Helmet, 06 May 2017 - 06:09 AM.

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:18 AM

View PostStuart G., on 06 May 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

For a left handed adapter being used in a right handed club (or visa-versa), the loft settings will be reversed (sort of - see below).  The lie settings ('D' and 'N') will stay the same.

+2 = -1
+1 = standard
standard = +1
-1 = +2

The Optifit adapter has N (neutral lie), S (stated loft), D (upright lie/draw), +1, -1, and +2

You're saying that D and N are the same on a LH and RH adapter but not S? (curious tone here because I'm no expert)

I thought N, D, and S were the same, -1 = +1, +1 = -1, and +2 = -2
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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:32 AM

View PostHot Rod 71, on 06 May 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

View PostStuart G., on 06 May 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

For a left handed adapter being used in a right handed club (or visa-versa), the loft settings will be reversed (sort of - see below).  The lie settings ('D' and 'N') will stay the same.

+2 = -1
+1 = standard
standard = +1
-1 = +2

The Optifit adapter has N (neutral lie), S (stated loft), D (upright lie/draw), +1, -1, and +2

You're saying that D and N are the same on a LH and RH adapter but not S? (curious tone here because I'm no expert)

Correct, that's what I was saying.

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I thought N, D, and S were the same, -1 = +1, +1 = -1, and +2 = -2

Nope, not in this case.  Well, 'N' and 'D' are the same because they are lie angle adjustments but not 'S' (which is a loft setting).  You only can swap the '+' and '-' sign when the loft adjustment is symmetric - which means the max negative loft adjustment is the same as the max positive loft adjustment (as with TM or Ping).   For Callaway (and Titleist), it's not symmetric.  On top of that, the adapters are the same, just labeled differently so the full range of adjustment can't change (can't go from a range of -1 to +2  to a range of -2 to +1 just by switching LH/RH adapters).

Edited by Stuart G., 06 May 2017 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:48 AM

I'm totally confused now, which doesn't take much obviously, haha.

If S is Stated Loft, it is a neutral loft setting no matter what head you put it into. right? :dntknw:

If a RH adapter is set at N/S into a 9* RH head then it plays 9* at a neutral lie angle. If the same RH adapter is set at N/S into a LH head it should still be 9* and neutral lie angle. right? :dntknw:

I'm not arguing your knowledge, I'm just trying to understand the right way to make adjustments.

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

View PostHot Rod 71, on 06 May 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

I'm totally confused now, which doesn't take much obviously, haha.

If S is Stated Loft, it is a neutral loft setting no matter what head you put it into. right? :dntknw:

If a RH adapter is set at N/S into a 9* RH head then it plays 9* at a neutral lie angle. If the same RH adapter is set at N/S into a LH head it should still be 9* and neutral lie angle. right? :dntknw:

I'm not arguing your knowledge, I'm just trying to understand the right way to make adjustments.

My entire understanding of switching adapters has been completely wrong.... :swoon2:

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 08:00 AM

View PostHot Rod 71, on 06 May 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

I'm totally confused now, which doesn't take much obviously, haha.

If S is Stated Loft, it is a neutral loft setting no matter what head you put it into. right? :dntknw:

If a RH adapter is set at N/S into a 9* RH head then it plays 9* at a neutral lie angle. If the same RH adapter is set at N/S into a LH head it should still be 9* and neutral lie angle. right? :dntknw:

Sorry, no.  That is true for TM and Ping adapters but not with the Callaway adapter.

"S" is just an arbitrary label.  In the case of Callaway, it's one of 4 different loft settings that progress from the lowest to the highest.  When the correct handed adapter is used, the actual loft on the head when combined with the "S" position matches the labeled loft. That doesn't mean the "S" will result in the same loft for both the LH and RH adapter.   Or that 'stated loft' position is not in the middle of the adjustment range so it's not really a true neutral or middle position.  With only 4 loft settings (an even number), there is no 'true' neutral or middle setting.  The true neutral or middle setting (if it had one) would be the stated loft + 1/2* (half way between the 'S' and '+1').

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 09:24 AM

View PostStuart G., on 06 May 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

View PostHot Rod 71, on 06 May 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

I'm totally confused now, which doesn't take much obviously, haha.

If S is Stated Loft, it is a neutral loft setting no matter what head you put it into. right? :dntknw:

If a RH adapter is set at N/S into a 9* RH head then it plays 9* at a neutral lie angle. If the same RH adapter is set at N/S into a LH head it should still be 9* and neutral lie angle. right? :dntknw:

Sorry, no.  That is true for TM and Ping adapters but not with the Callaway adapter.

"S" is just an arbitrary label.  In the case of Callaway, it's one of 4 different loft settings that progress from the lowest to the highest.  When the correct handed adapter is used, the actual loft on the head when combined with the "S" position matches the labeled loft. That doesn't mean the "S" will result in the same loft for both the LH and RH adapter.   Or that 'stated loft' position is not in the middle of the adjustment range so it's not really a true neutral or middle position.  With only 4 loft settings (an even number), there is no 'true' neutral or middle setting.  The true neutral or middle setting (if it had one) would be the stated loft + 1/2* (half way between the 'S' and '+1').

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:02 PM

How do you know if you have a left or right hand callaway adapter?
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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:07 PM

The left handed shaft has the cog markings UNDERLINED

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:19 PM

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The left handed shaft has the cog markings UNDERLINED

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:43 AM

Stuart, sent you a PM.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:53 AM

BTW, beware of aftermarket Callaway adapters.  I got some where the main section was slightly bent or tilted.  Don't know if this really makes any difference performance.  I know for certain, however, the head does not screw on smoothly because the threads are slightly out of alignment with the head screw.
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:55 AM

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BTW, beware of aftermarket Callaway adapters.  I got some where the main section was slightly bent or tilted.  Don't know if this really makes any difference performance.  I know for certain, however, the head does not screw on smoothly because the threads are slightly out of alignment with the head screw.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 01:04 PM

Stuart, if I take the cogs from a lefty adapter off and put them on a righty tip, will that work? Or are the cogs and tip both oriented specifically for right or left hand?
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 01:34 PM

View PostStuart G., on 24 May 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

View Postpitchinwedge, on 24 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

BTW, beware of aftermarket Callaway adapters.  I got some where the main section was slightly bent or tilted.  Don't know if this really makes any difference performance.  I know for certain, however, the head does not screw on smoothly because the threads are slightly out of alignment with the head screw.

CMX aftermarket or ebay aftermarket?

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 01:46 PM

View PostHot Rod 71, on 24 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

Stuart, if I take the cogs from a lefty adapter off and put them on a righty tip, will that work? Or are the cogs and tip both oriented specifically for right or left hand?

As I understand it, the LH and RH are physically identical except for the labeling.  So you could change them out but if you played them RH, you'd still need to 'adjust' the settings.  If you played them LH, then you could use the labels as is.

View Postpitchinwedge, on 24 May 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

ebay

Thanks.   From all I've seen the CMX ones are pretty solid and would have been surprised if it was one of theirs.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:12 PM

View Postthreeputz, on 06 May 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

The left handed shaft has the cog markings UNDERLINED

Thanks,  I also wondered but hadn't asked yet....

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