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#5341 Finn07

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:36 PM

Been struggling with ball contact for the past few weeks.  I went to the range and took out my 8 iron and opened the face a ton and attempted hitting it straight.  (the open face drill)  I hit about 40 balls this way with divots going way left and the ball going straight or fading.  I then decided to hit 8 irons regularly and noticed a huge difference in the way I was hitting the ball.  I've never hit it like this before.  I want to make sure I'm on the right track so I wanna explain what I was feeling and please chime in if I'm on the right track or not.  I felt like the face was so open at impact and that I was slicing across the ball.  I couldn't believe they were going straight with this feeling.  Divots were going left for first time in my life.  Does this sound right?  Ball flight was not low like other people have mentioned, just went straight and would have appeared to land softly on the green if one were there.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 07:43 PM

View PostFinn07, on 06 May 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Been struggling with ball contact for the past few weeks.  I went to the range and took out my 8 iron and opened the face a ton and attempted hitting it straight.  (the open face drill)  I hit about 40 balls this way with divots going way left and the ball going straight or fading.  I then decided to hit 8 irons regularly and noticed a huge difference in the way I was hitting the ball.  I've never hit it like this before.  I want to make sure I'm on the right track so I wanna explain what I was feeling and please chime in if I'm on the right track or not.  I felt like the face was so open at impact and that I was slicing across the ball.  I couldn't believe they were going straight with this feeling.  Divots were going left for first time in my life.  Does this sound right?  Ball flight was not low like other people have mentioned, just went straight and would have appeared to land softly on the green if one were there.

Sounds like you're doing fine but don't get carried away and overcook this which is easy to do.  Divots should start straight and curve slightly left when you get back to normal shots.  Pay close attention to the first inch of the divot.  Geoff talked about the open faced drill here back in the day but he doesn't use it much, probably only for players that really have a big underplane/swing to right problem.  When you do what he teaches, it's no problem hitting it high.  The guys who hit it low are most likely sliding their whole upper bodies targetward, therefore not achieving enough axis tilt at impact.  When you're new to his swing ideas, and you come from a "swing to rightfield and roll your wrists" way, it's going to feel like you're going to be very wipey at first.  Just be vigilant that it doesn't actually get wipey, which is easy to do if you don't pivot properly and establish your left pivot point early.  Good luck with the changes!

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:52 PM

View Postrussc, on 05 May 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

View PostWormiez, on 05 May 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

I am having trouble syncing my arms with my body.  What do you guys recommend in drills to sync the arms with the body?

Been tinkering with the impact ball but it feels that I am focusing to much in squeezing the impact ball between my arms..

The impact ball is great drill .You might want to make a homemade impact ball out of a large nerf ball,cut strips for your arms  and attach straps so that you do not  feel the need to press your arms together
Placing a rod through your front belt loops with about  a foot extended from your right hip is another aid that is effective.
Finally there was a segment on Micheal Breed's program called "Happy Harry drill" .the hippo does not seem to available anymore .but the monkey looks like a viable substitute
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Where do you purchase "Happy Harry" at or this "monkey"?   It seems like this may be easier than making the nerf ball.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 02:22 AM

I think Slicefixer is just Stack & Tilt.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:17 AM

View Postrockinar, on 07 May 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I think Slicefixer is just Stack & Tilt.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:22 AM

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The impact ball is great drill .You might want to make a homemade impact ball out of a large nerf ball,cut strips for your arms  and attach straps so that you do not  feel the need to press your arms together
Placing a rod through your front belt loops with about  a foot extended from your right hip is another aid that is effective.
Finally there was a segment on Micheal Breed's program called "Happy Harry drill" .the hippo does not seem to available anymore .but the monkey looks like a viable substitute
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Where do you purchase "Happy Harry" at or this "monkey"?   It seems like this may be easier than making the nerf ball.
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I think that you can order the monkey from the website. in the link
the ball is easier to make full swings than the monkey
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The ball may be a little easier to make swings with.  I was just thinking this if it worked would accomplish the same thing and would come ready to use rather than trying to make something if you go the ball route.   Can anyone else verify "Harry" is unavailable or try the monkey for the same thing?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM

When hitting less than full shots (i.e. 2/3, 3/4, three finger) does the metaphorical rubber band that is, in Geoff's words, connected to the whole left side, get fully stretched out?  

My [possibly limited] understanding is that if you get properly wound up in your backswing you literally cannot hold it anymore and just have to unwind/"let it go".  In my mind that meshes well with Hogan's diagonal stance concept because the more open the stance, the less deep you can turn and the steeper you'll come into the ball.  Opposite for the driver, where a somewhat closed stance with the feet would allow for a very deep turn and have you coming into the ball shallower.  Same swings but very different results based on setup.

So...if you were going to hit a "driven wedge", "chip driver", knockdown shot (or anything less than full) would your downswing still be purely a reaction?  Am I correct in thinking you would just make the proper changes to your setup and then wind up/unwind, or is there a conscious effort to shorten the backswing?

I ask because the 9-3 drill throws me off a bit in this regard.  I know it is a drill with the focus being "not releasing", but, with a normal parallel left setup and slightly more weight on the left side it does't seem like you would be full stretched out by 9:00.  It seems like you would have to purposefully stop your backswing, which just doesn't seem consistent with the concept of winding up and letting go.  On the other hand, starting with 75+% of your weight on the left side and a very open stance, I could see the rubber band being just about fully stretched by 9:00.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

View Postrussc, on 07 May 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

View PostJohn Kreese, on 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

When hitting less than full shots (i.e. 2/3, 3/4, three finger) does the metaphorical rubber band that is, in Geoff's words, connected to the whole left side, get fully stretched out?  

My [possibly limited] understanding is that if you get properly wound up in your backswing you literally cannot hold it anymore and just have to unwind/"let it go".  In my mind that meshes well with Hogan's diagonal stance concept because the more open the stance, the less deep you can turn and the steeper you'll come into the ball.  Opposite for the driver, where a somewhat closed stance with the feet would allow for a very deep turn and have you coming into the ball shallower.  Same swings but very different results based on setup.

So...if you were going to hit a "driven wedge", "chip driver", knockdown shot (or anything less than full) would your downswing still be purely a reaction?  Am I correct in thinking you would just make the proper changes to your setup and then wind up/unwind, or is there a conscious effort to shorten the backswing?

I ask because the 9-3 drill throws me off a bit in this regard.  I know it is a drill with the focus being "not releasing", but, with a normal parallel left setup and slightly more weight on the left side it does't seem like you would be full stretched out by 9:00.  It seems like you would have to purposefully stop your backswing, which just doesn't seem consistent with the concept of winding up and letting go.  On the other hand, starting with 75+% of your weight on the left side and a very open stance, I could see the rubber band being just about fully stretched by 9:00.

IMOP the downswing is not   a completely reflex reaction to the elastic stretch created on the backswing.You need to help it along by starting from the ground up.
Obviously in the 9-3 drill,there will not be nearly as much stretch  created as in a full swing with a driver .The same can be said of 30 yard pitch  shots .Does that mean that you have to  somehow create  a complete stretch for those small shots.Of course not
With wedges the standard setup is the reverse K with %65 on your left foot.Except in speciality shots do not go to %75.
You might want to open your stance up a little and grip down a little on the club.Both help with delaying the toe from catching the heel.
Hoganfan924 had  a recent post in which he described the dynamic nature of the Geoff's accomplished students.The dynamic swing should also be present in the 9-3 swing so do not even think about stopping your backswing and then starting your downswing .What might help is to start you transition move just before you have completed setting your wrists.This will make your swing more dynamic and  let gravity complete the setting of your wrists.

Thanks Russ - I like the thought of helping the stretch/limiting the backswing with slight setup modifications and an earlier transition move.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:12 PM

I'm excited to watch the Thursday and Friday rounds at The Players because since Tiger Woods is grouped with Hunter Mahan so I get to see his swing more often.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:00 PM

I said in an earlier post about a light bulb moment i had w the open face drill. Well I played and shot a 78 on a very difficult course. But what I wanted to mention is my playing partner said to me "its making a completely different sound when u strike ur irons." Now he has no idea the I have been working on this swing. Just thought I'd share. You guys are awesome on here, you know who u are. The guys with the "knowledge." Thanks again


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:50 AM

View Poststiffdogg06, on 08 May 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

I'm excited to watch the Thursday and Friday rounds at The Players because since Tiger Woods is grouped with Hunter Mahan so I get to see his swing more often.



same here!  hunter's swing is so fluid and free, especially with driver the dude just unloads on it.  Will be interesting to watch their swings side by side in real time on the course

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:45 PM

Have a question on the start of the backswing.. SF mentions in his encyclopedia that with the correct angled pivot all you need to do is to swing with the hips to complete the back swing. Is it safe to say that with the correct pivot, it first starts with a slight bump to the left at the stance from the backwards K setup, followed by the backswing INTO the right and swinging with your hips to the left?

I ask this because on BAD takeaways, my back swing turns OUT to the right (Sway to the Right) ,as a result I end up needing to bump the left hip out to the target to get my pivot back in place ...

Thanks!

Edited by Wormiez, 09 May 2012 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:28 PM

Hey there,

Looking for a little help. I had been playing great after a lot of work on this swing. But things took a bad turn recently. I video taped my self and I am bringing the club inside on the backswing, laid off at the top and then coming over it a little on the downswing. Any suggestions, drill etc. would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:06 PM





Probably got a lot going wrong. Thanks for the help. Sorry the quality is poor.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM

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Probably got a lot going wrong. Thanks for the help. Sorry the quality is poor.

A few pointers from me:

1) Address face on: This is a wedge, right? Reverse K = right foot, right hip, right shoulder on a vertical line. Your setup is more ..... driver-ish here.
2) Address dtl: Straighten your back. You're hunched over the ball. Also check that you're not too much on balls at address. You need to be ready to get over your right heel towards impact and into the finish.
3) Hips: You're not sliding with your hips going back, which is good, but you're not taking the left hip deep in takeaway & back swing - which you should.
4) Early extension: You are progressively moving your pelvis towards the ball from takeaway through impact. Your hunched back is part of this. Possibly also a balance issue.
5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:58 AM

Thanks RussC! Much appreciated from your advice and help!

Focusing so much on my takeaway and backswing has caused the sequence from my backswing to set, to become dreadfully slow...

With the mechanics in place for the 9/3 drill, how does one introduce tempo to the swing? Tour Tempo tones?

Or are there specific drills to bring the club back, set and hit?

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:53 AM

View Postjhwarren, on 09 May 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Hey there,

Looking for a little help. I had been playing great after a lot of work on this swing. But things took a bad turn recently. I video taped my self and I am bringing the club inside on the backswing, laid off at the top and then coming over it a little on the downswing. Any suggestions, drill etc. would be greatly appreciated.

not a expert but I would check out your shoulder turn, might be too flat which sucks the arms and club inside. Also take the club back with the club staying outside the hands longer, which may ease the laid off at the top because your flopping the club on plane later in the backswing.  Steeper shoulder turn will keep the club a little more vertical too.  All just speculation tho,  I'll let russc give you the real advice

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:01 AM

View PostWormiez, on 10 May 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

Thanks RussC! Much appreciated from your advice and help!

Focusing so much on my takeaway and backswing has caused the sequence from my backswing to set, to become dreadfully slow...

With the mechanics in place for the 9/3 drill, how does one introduce tempo to the swing? Tour Tempo tones?

Or are there specific drills to bring the club back, set and hit?

If you swing correct into the right side you will be ready for an early/fast transition. No need for a pause really, just be sure to start with moving the pelvis towards the target. And if you don't lift your arms and don't let your right elbow get tucked in behind you in bs, you will find resistance at the top of your back swing that will give plenty support for a pretty fast transition too.

My tempo increased a lot when I begun to get this swing dialed in. I used to have very little tension at the top and needed to build that gradually in the ds. Not anymore. This is not a slow tempo swing.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

Thanks alot for the advice Lefthook. I taped some swings in the basement last night focusing on keeping my weight less on my toes and my path improved immediately. I have yet to hit balls but I'm definitely excited to see the results. My weight was definitely forward at the set up. As far as the hip turn, I have always been told I need to restrict my hip turn because I turn them too much. So it was interesting to read you feel I should let them go more. Thanks alot any other suggestions or drills would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

Hello everyone,

   This is my first post.  I have been studying golf for almost 25 years, and reading this thread for a good 2 years.  When I joined, I was redirected to the main forum page and stumbled into the thread with Squish and his thread on what the body does when making a correct golf swing.  I wasn't aware of so many topics on this site, as I had a shortcut set up to this thread when I read it as a visitor / guest.

I want to thank all of you, as it is great to be part of a discussion on improving and working to get better at striking the golf ball by people who are determined to get to the actual cause and effect relationship of what happens when we swing a golf club.  I know most of you are the types who always wants to do it right and and are always striving for perfect.

   I want to throw out a question.  If any of you have read squish's information on what the body does when swinging the club, do you see any conflicts with Slice's teaching?  I have had some success using both in combo to achieve some pretty good ball strikes.  Again, thanks again.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:00 AM

First of all, let me say thank you to those of you who spend so much time helping others improve their game. I recently found the slicefixer method and i am excited about the possibilities for my game.


I have a question about weight distribution in the slicefixer swing. Where should your weight be distributed from toe to heal at address and at the top of the backswing. I cant seem to find anything about this in Encyclopedia Texarcana. Should it be centered on the arch of the foot, heels, balls of feet? And then when turning into your right hip at the top where should you weight be? I know on the downswing your weight shifts to the left heel “squish the bug” but was unsure about the rest.


I was hitting 9-3s today for only the second time and I was seeing great results. I have been trying to fix my goat humping problem for a while but couldn’t until I started squishing the bug and feeling like someone was pulling on my left pocket. Finally!! My concern was that my right heel was still really high off the ground and I wasn’t rolling my right foot. I read the following passage on pg 19 of ET:



The right foot should be REACTING to the actions of the lower core. Roll to the instep as weight is TRANSFERRED to the left side followed by the heel being pulled off the ground and working onto the toe in the finish. As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact. The same is true for the more underneath vs on top (steep vs. shallow; Old School vs. Modern)



I don’t understand the part where he says “ As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact.”



Can someone interpret this for me? Thanks in advance



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Posted 11 May 2012 - 06:45 AM

View Postsmotherhook, on 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Hello everyone,

      This is my first post.  I have been studying golf for almost 25 years, and reading this thread for a good 2 years.  When I joined, I was redirected to the main forum page and stumbled into the thread with Squish and his thread on what the body does when making a correct golf swing.  I wasn't aware of so many topics on this site, as I had a shortcut set up to this thread when I read it as a visitor / guest.

    I want to thank all of you, as it is great to be part of a discussion on improving and working to get better at striking the golf ball by people who are determined to get to the actual cause and effect relationship of what happens when we swing a golf club.  I know most of you are the types who always wants to do it right and and are always striving for perfect.

      I want to throw out a question.  If any of you have read squish's information on what the body does when swinging the club, do you see any conflicts with Slice's teaching?  I have had some success using both in combo to achieve some pretty good ball strikes.  Again, thanks again.

In my opinion there are no similarities between Slicefixer's teachings and Squish's method.  I say that in spite of the fact that I believe Squish's method is very effective.  In fact I shot my record score using it, but I can also shoot high 70's with it.  Slicefixer teaches a very rotational swing with few moving parts with a transition posting on the left side and rotating around the left pivot point.  Squish uses a combo move by posting on left side in which the pelvis swings around the 7th cervical and at the same time throwing the club from the top using the forearms and wrists.  When timed right it produces a beautiful high crisp flight (and long!).  Slicefixer compresses the ball with a more boring (penetrating) flight.  Squish uses more moving parts which I find to be less consistent when the timing is off.  Those are just my opinions and if you are having success with something stick with it!

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 07:53 AM

View PostHighlow16, on 11 May 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Where should your weight be distributed from toe to heal at address and at the top of the backswing. I cant seem to find anything about this in Encyclopedia Texarcana. Should it be centered on the arch of the foot, heels, balls of feet? And then when turning into your right hip at the top where should you weight be? I know on the downswing your weight shifts to the left heel "squish the bug" but was unsure about the rest.
Address: Heel to toe - the same as when I'm standing straight up & down is clearly the balance that works best for me. A lot of golfers has a tendency to "lean" on the club and that tendency must be resisted. If you get your weight balance too much towards the balls you will not be able to hold the leverage through impact. I suspect that a lot of people trying this swing is too much on their balls at address. But as long as you go from heel to heel - top to finish - you're OK at address as well.

Top of back swing: Pressure inside right heel and on left toe. With full shots it's OK, maybe even advisable to lift the  left toe in the bs because keeping the left heel grounded can mess with your hip turn. But this depends on how wide stance you use and how much you bend your knees at address.

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I was hitting 9-3s today for only the second time and I was seeing great results. I have been trying to fix my goat humping problem for a while but couldn't until I started squishing the bug and feeling like someone was pulling on my left pocket. Finally!! My concern was that my right heel was still really high off the ground and I wasn't rolling my right foot. I read the following passage on pg 19 of ET:

This could be OK or something could be off with your transition. I would need a video to comment on that one.


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The right foot should be REACTING to the actions of the lower core. Roll to the instep as weight is TRANSFERRED to the left side followed by the heel being pulled off the ground and working onto the toe in the finish. As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact. The same is true for the more underneath vs on top (steep vs. shallow; Old School vs. Modern)



I don't understand the part where he says " As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact."



Can someone interpret this for me? Thanks in advance


Exceptions will be in situations where you for various reasons lower your body (greenside bunker, feet above ball etc) and situations where you want a quiet lower body perhaps (fairway bunkers etc). Perhaps also players with mobility issues may need to take exception here. This qualification is not important while you learn this swing if you're 100% healthy.



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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

View Postsmotherhook, on 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Hello everyone,

      This is my first post.  I have been studying golf for almost 25 years, and reading this thread for a good 2 years.  When I joined, I was redirected to the main forum page and stumbled into the thread with Squish and his thread on what the body does when making a correct golf swing.  I wasn't aware of so many topics on this site, as I had a shortcut set up to this thread when I read it as a visitor / guest.

    I want to thank all of you, as it is great to be part of a discussion on improving and working to get better at striking the golf ball by people who are determined to get to the actual cause and effect relationship of what happens when we swing a golf club.  I know most of you are the types who always wants to do it right and and are always striving for perfect.

      I want to throw out a question.  If any of you have read squish's information on what the body does when swinging the club, do you see any conflicts with Slice's teaching?  I have had some success using both in combo to achieve some pretty good ball strikes.  Again, thanks again.
I have definitely applied a few of the "feelings" from Squish's technique into my version of the Slicefixer swing.  The incredible detail he goes to in explaining how the body moves has helped me understand what's actually happening (or should be happening) in a rotational swing.  

The two biggest things that I've gained from reading Squish's posts are setup and understanding the pivot.  He goes into very specific detail about where almost every part of the body should be at setup.  I don't necesarrily agree with his pre-set twisting of the lower body, but otherwise I feel like it compliments the Slicefixer setup well.  In terms of the pivot, the way he described the shoulders turning around the upper back/neck vertebrae helped me enormously.  Before that I had been trying to turn with my shoulder blades which was forcing me to sway - his concept cleaned it up immediately.  

For many these are probably obvious things that I should have picked up on by reading ET, but for whatever reason they didn't fully sink in until I read Squish's biomechanical explanations of what moves and why.  I'm sure it's not the same for everyone, and some of their conflicting ideas may cause more harm than good, but I've definitely benefited from trying to at least understand where both are coming from, and applying what works.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:07 AM

Thanks for your replies, TNGolf22 and Jackstraw 20.

I noticed some of the same things when comparing the "swing instructions" from these two gentlemen.  The most helpful thing I read from Sqush was the compressing the right side.  For me it helped me to retain  that spine angle and stop sliding my upper body toward the target.  At the same time, I noticed the left butt moving straight back and unwinding the hips.  I didn't even consider the "throwing the club" thing, as I figured the club would follow the body where it should when everything is set up and moving correctly.  

It's hard for me to resist reading what others are writing about the golf swing.  The first instruction book I studied was Hogan's five lessons,  and I have been on a solo journey trying to implement what he wrote.  Slice and all of you have been extremely helpful by sharing your swing feelings, experiences, videos and so on.  Every time I practice, I notice things like; the right shoulder moves straight back, the handle turns the corner low left, the pane of glass going back.  More of these things are becoming clearer, because I have concentrated a lot on set up angles, and the few fundamentals while practicing 9-3 swings.  I wish the internet was around when I started learning.  

Thanks again.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

View PostLefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:


5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.

Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour.  It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...


Edited by Cwebb, 11 May 2012 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

View PostCwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostLefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:


5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.

Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour.  It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...



This is why Geoff emphasizes that the left forearm rotation will help "set" the right wrist and elbow.  It's part of the puzzle that fits together.  Just like drawing the clubhead straight back in a "one piece" manner for the first 12-18" of take-away is imperative before rotating the left forearm.  Look at the videos on his youtube page of his players and note where the right elbow and forearm are at the top of the backswing and how beautifully his players are on plane and ready to "bust it" right from the top.  I find it extremely helpful to really practice this take-away move 2 or 3 times before every practice swing, especially if you tend to pull the clubhead to the inside early.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostCwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostLefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.

Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour.  It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...



This certainly works for Mr Immelman,but will it work for most golfers .I  bet NO.Snatching the club too inside is so common as to be pandemic and fanning  the club early in the takeaway  only encourages this

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 08:54 PM

View Postrussc, on 11 May 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostCwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostLefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.

Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour.  It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...



This certainly works for Mr Immelman,but will it work for most golfers .I  bet NO.Snatching the club too inside is so common as to be pandemic and fanning  the club early in the takeaway  only encourages this

I definitely agree with you.  I had been looking at Immelman's swing a lot lately and when I read the post above that mentioned a "fanning motion", he was the example that immediately came to mind, who is also a player that I remembered Geoff mentioning in his writing

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:55 PM

quick question guys. at impact, where should the weight be on my feet? should it be favoring right side? of course, at the finish, it should be fully on the left side but just wondering since there's weight pressure on the inner right foot arch at setup, how long should the pressure be there? thanks





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