9/3 Drill and much..much..more
#5341
Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:36 PM
#5342
Posted 06 May 2012 - 07:43 PM
Finn07, on 06 May 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:
Sounds like you're doing fine but don't get carried away and overcook this which is easy to do. Divots should start straight and curve slightly left when you get back to normal shots. Pay close attention to the first inch of the divot. Geoff talked about the open faced drill here back in the day but he doesn't use it much, probably only for players that really have a big underplane/swing to right problem. When you do what he teaches, it's no problem hitting it high. The guys who hit it low are most likely sliding their whole upper bodies targetward, therefore not achieving enough axis tilt at impact. When you're new to his swing ideas, and you come from a "swing to rightfield and roll your wrists" way, it's going to feel like you're going to be very wipey at first. Just be vigilant that it doesn't actually get wipey, which is easy to do if you don't pivot properly and establish your left pivot point early. Good luck with the changes!
#5343
Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:52 PM
russc, on 05 May 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:
Wormiez, on 05 May 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:
Been tinkering with the impact ball but it feels that I am focusing to much in squeezing the impact ball between my arms..
The impact ball is great drill .You might want to make a homemade impact ball out of a large nerf ball,cut strips for your arms and attach straps so that you do not feel the need to press your arms together
Placing a rod through your front belt loops with about a foot extended from your right hip is another aid that is effective.
Finally there was a segment on Micheal Breed's program called "Happy Harry drill" .the hippo does not seem to available anymore .but the monkey looks like a viable substitute
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Where do you purchase "Happy Harry" at or this "monkey"? It seems like this may be easier than making the nerf ball.
#5344
Posted 07 May 2012 - 02:22 AM
#5345
Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:17 AM

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#5346
Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:22 AM
The impact ball is great drill .You might want to make a homemade impact ball out of a large nerf ball,cut strips for your arms and attach straps so that you do not feel the need to press your arms together
Placing a rod through your front belt loops with about a foot extended from your right hip is another aid that is effective.
Finally there was a segment on Micheal Breed's program called "Happy Harry drill" .the hippo does not seem to available anymore .but the monkey looks like a viable substitute
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Where do you purchase "Happy Harry" at or this "monkey"? It seems like this may be easier than making the nerf ball.
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The ball may be a little easier to make swings with. I was just thinking this if it worked would accomplish the same thing and would come ready to use rather than trying to make something if you go the ball route. Can anyone else verify "Harry" is unavailable or try the monkey for the same thing?
#5347
Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM
My [possibly limited] understanding is that if you get properly wound up in your backswing you literally cannot hold it anymore and just have to unwind/"let it go". In my mind that meshes well with Hogan's diagonal stance concept because the more open the stance, the less deep you can turn and the steeper you'll come into the ball. Opposite for the driver, where a somewhat closed stance with the feet would allow for a very deep turn and have you coming into the ball shallower. Same swings but very different results based on setup.
So...if you were going to hit a "driven wedge", "chip driver", knockdown shot (or anything less than full) would your downswing still be purely a reaction? Am I correct in thinking you would just make the proper changes to your setup and then wind up/unwind, or is there a conscious effort to shorten the backswing?
I ask because the 9-3 drill throws me off a bit in this regard. I know it is a drill with the focus being "not releasing", but, with a normal parallel left setup and slightly more weight on the left side it does't seem like you would be full stretched out by 9:00. It seems like you would have to purposefully stop your backswing, which just doesn't seem consistent with the concept of winding up and letting go. On the other hand, starting with 75+% of your weight on the left side and a very open stance, I could see the rubber band being just about fully stretched by 9:00.
#5348
Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:59 AM
russc, on 07 May 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:
John Kreese, on 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:
My [possibly limited] understanding is that if you get properly wound up in your backswing you literally cannot hold it anymore and just have to unwind/"let it go". In my mind that meshes well with Hogan's diagonal stance concept because the more open the stance, the less deep you can turn and the steeper you'll come into the ball. Opposite for the driver, where a somewhat closed stance with the feet would allow for a very deep turn and have you coming into the ball shallower. Same swings but very different results based on setup.
So...if you were going to hit a "driven wedge", "chip driver", knockdown shot (or anything less than full) would your downswing still be purely a reaction? Am I correct in thinking you would just make the proper changes to your setup and then wind up/unwind, or is there a conscious effort to shorten the backswing?
I ask because the 9-3 drill throws me off a bit in this regard. I know it is a drill with the focus being "not releasing", but, with a normal parallel left setup and slightly more weight on the left side it does't seem like you would be full stretched out by 9:00. It seems like you would have to purposefully stop your backswing, which just doesn't seem consistent with the concept of winding up and letting go. On the other hand, starting with 75+% of your weight on the left side and a very open stance, I could see the rubber band being just about fully stretched by 9:00.
IMOP the downswing is not a completely reflex reaction to the elastic stretch created on the backswing.You need to help it along by starting from the ground up.
Obviously in the 9-3 drill,there will not be nearly as much stretch created as in a full swing with a driver .The same can be said of 30 yard pitch shots .Does that mean that you have to somehow create a complete stretch for those small shots.Of course not
With wedges the standard setup is the reverse K with %65 on your left foot.Except in speciality shots do not go to %75.
You might want to open your stance up a little and grip down a little on the club.Both help with delaying the toe from catching the heel.
Hoganfan924 had a recent post in which he described the dynamic nature of the Geoff's accomplished students.The dynamic swing should also be present in the 9-3 swing so do not even think about stopping your backswing and then starting your downswing .What might help is to start you transition move just before you have completed setting your wrists.This will make your swing more dynamic and let gravity complete the setting of your wrists.
Thanks Russ - I like the thought of helping the stretch/limiting the backswing with slight setup modifications and an earlier transition move.
#5349
Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:12 PM
#5350
Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:00 PM

#5351
Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:50 AM
stiffdogg06, on 08 May 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:
same here! hunter's swing is so fluid and free, especially with driver the dude just unloads on it. Will be interesting to watch their swings side by side in real time on the course
#5352
Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:45 PM
I ask this because on BAD takeaways, my back swing turns OUT to the right (Sway to the Right) ,as a result I end up needing to bump the left hip out to the target to get my pivot back in place ...
Thanks!
Edited by Wormiez, 09 May 2012 - 01:06 PM.
#5353
Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:28 PM
Looking for a little help. I had been playing great after a lot of work on this swing. But things took a bad turn recently. I video taped my self and I am bringing the club inside on the backswing, laid off at the top and then coming over it a little on the downswing. Any suggestions, drill etc. would be greatly appreciated.
#5354
Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:06 PM
Probably got a lot going wrong. Thanks for the help. Sorry the quality is poor.
#5355
Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM

#5356
Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:58 AM
Focusing so much on my takeaway and backswing has caused the sequence from my backswing to set, to become dreadfully slow...
With the mechanics in place for the 9/3 drill, how does one introduce tempo to the swing? Tour Tempo tones?
Or are there specific drills to bring the club back, set and hit?
#5357
Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:53 AM
jhwarren, on 09 May 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:
Looking for a little help. I had been playing great after a lot of work on this swing. But things took a bad turn recently. I video taped my self and I am bringing the club inside on the backswing, laid off at the top and then coming over it a little on the downswing. Any suggestions, drill etc. would be greatly appreciated.
not a expert but I would check out your shoulder turn, might be too flat which sucks the arms and club inside. Also take the club back with the club staying outside the hands longer, which may ease the laid off at the top because your flopping the club on plane later in the backswing. Steeper shoulder turn will keep the club a little more vertical too. All just speculation tho, I'll let russc give you the real advice
#5358
Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:01 AM
Wormiez, on 10 May 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:
Focusing so much on my takeaway and backswing has caused the sequence from my backswing to set, to become dreadfully slow...
With the mechanics in place for the 9/3 drill, how does one introduce tempo to the swing? Tour Tempo tones?
Or are there specific drills to bring the club back, set and hit?
If you swing correct into the right side you will be ready for an early/fast transition. No need for a pause really, just be sure to start with moving the pelvis towards the target. And if you don't lift your arms and don't let your right elbow get tucked in behind you in bs, you will find resistance at the top of your back swing that will give plenty support for a pretty fast transition too.
My tempo increased a lot when I begun to get this swing dialed in. I used to have very little tension at the top and needed to build that gradually in the ds. Not anymore. This is not a slow tempo swing.
#5359
Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM
#5360
Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

#5361
Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:00 AM
I have a question about weight distribution in the slicefixer swing. Where should your weight be distributed from toe to heal at address and at the top of the backswing. I cant seem to find anything about this in Encyclopedia Texarcana. Should it be centered on the arch of the foot, heels, balls of feet? And then when turning into your right hip at the top where should you weight be? I know on the downswing your weight shifts to the left heel “squish the bug” but was unsure about the rest.
I was hitting 9-3s today for only the second time and I was seeing great results. I have been trying to fix my goat humping problem for a while but couldn’t until I started squishing the bug and feeling like someone was pulling on my left pocket. Finally!! My concern was that my right heel was still really high off the ground and I wasn’t rolling my right foot. I read the following passage on pg 19 of ET:
The right foot should be REACTING to the actions of the lower core. Roll to the instep as weight is TRANSFERRED to the left side followed by the heel being pulled off the ground and working onto the toe in the finish. As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact. The same is true for the more underneath vs on top (steep vs. shallow; Old School vs. Modern)
I don’t understand the part where he says “ As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact.”
Can someone interpret this for me? Thanks in advance
#5362
Posted 11 May 2012 - 06:45 AM
smotherhook, on 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:
This is my first post. I have been studying golf for almost 25 years, and reading this thread for a good 2 years. When I joined, I was redirected to the main forum page and stumbled into the thread with Squish and his thread on what the body does when making a correct golf swing. I wasn't aware of so many topics on this site, as I had a shortcut set up to this thread when I read it as a visitor / guest.
I want to thank all of you, as it is great to be part of a discussion on improving and working to get better at striking the golf ball by people who are determined to get to the actual cause and effect relationship of what happens when we swing a golf club. I know most of you are the types who always wants to do it right and and are always striving for perfect.
I want to throw out a question. If any of you have read squish's information on what the body does when swinging the club, do you see any conflicts with Slice's teaching? I have had some success using both in combo to achieve some pretty good ball strikes. Again, thanks again.
In my opinion there are no similarities between Slicefixer's teachings and Squish's method. I say that in spite of the fact that I believe Squish's method is very effective. In fact I shot my record score using it, but I can also shoot high 70's with it. Slicefixer teaches a very rotational swing with few moving parts with a transition posting on the left side and rotating around the left pivot point. Squish uses a combo move by posting on left side in which the pelvis swings around the 7th cervical and at the same time throwing the club from the top using the forearms and wrists. When timed right it produces a beautiful high crisp flight (and long!). Slicefixer compresses the ball with a more boring (penetrating) flight. Squish uses more moving parts which I find to be less consistent when the timing is off. Those are just my opinions and if you are having success with something stick with it!
#5363
Posted 11 May 2012 - 07:53 AM
Highlow16, on 11 May 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:
Top of back swing: Pressure inside right heel and on left toe. With full shots it's OK, maybe even advisable to lift the left toe in the bs because keeping the left heel grounded can mess with your hip turn. But this depends on how wide stance you use and how much you bend your knees at address.
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I was hitting 9-3s today for only the second time and I was seeing great results. I have been trying to fix my goat humping problem for a while but couldn't until I started squishing the bug and feeling like someone was pulling on my left pocket. Finally!! My concern was that my right heel was still really high off the ground and I wasn't rolling my right foot. I read the following passage on pg 19 of ET:
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I don't understand the part where he says " As a GENERAL rule, the further the player has to go to reach their left pivot point around left leg the higher the right heel will be at impact."
Can someone interpret this for me? Thanks in advance
#5364
Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:16 AM
smotherhook, on 10 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:
This is my first post. I have been studying golf for almost 25 years, and reading this thread for a good 2 years. When I joined, I was redirected to the main forum page and stumbled into the thread with Squish and his thread on what the body does when making a correct golf swing. I wasn't aware of so many topics on this site, as I had a shortcut set up to this thread when I read it as a visitor / guest.
I want to thank all of you, as it is great to be part of a discussion on improving and working to get better at striking the golf ball by people who are determined to get to the actual cause and effect relationship of what happens when we swing a golf club. I know most of you are the types who always wants to do it right and and are always striving for perfect.
I want to throw out a question. If any of you have read squish's information on what the body does when swinging the club, do you see any conflicts with Slice's teaching? I have had some success using both in combo to achieve some pretty good ball strikes. Again, thanks again.
The two biggest things that I've gained from reading Squish's posts are setup and understanding the pivot. He goes into very specific detail about where almost every part of the body should be at setup. I don't necesarrily agree with his pre-set twisting of the lower body, but otherwise I feel like it compliments the Slicefixer setup well. In terms of the pivot, the way he described the shoulders turning around the upper back/neck vertebrae helped me enormously. Before that I had been trying to turn with my shoulder blades which was forcing me to sway - his concept cleaned it up immediately.
For many these are probably obvious things that I should have picked up on by reading ET, but for whatever reason they didn't fully sink in until I read Squish's biomechanical explanations of what moves and why. I'm sure it's not the same for everyone, and some of their conflicting ideas may cause more harm than good, but I've definitely benefited from trying to at least understand where both are coming from, and applying what works.
#5365
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:07 AM

#5366
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM
Lefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:
5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.
Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour. It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...
Edited by Cwebb, 11 May 2012 - 10:34 AM.
#5367
Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:07 PM
Cwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:
Lefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:
5) Left elbow & forearm rotation. I like to see more of a fanning motion with left forearm in the back swing, so you keep the left elbow more in front of you longer.
Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour. It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...
This is why Geoff emphasizes that the left forearm rotation will help "set" the right wrist and elbow. It's part of the puzzle that fits together. Just like drawing the clubhead straight back in a "one piece" manner for the first 12-18" of take-away is imperative before rotating the left forearm. Look at the videos on his youtube page of his players and note where the right elbow and forearm are at the top of the backswing and how beautifully his players are on plane and ready to "bust it" right from the top. I find it extremely helpful to really practice this take-away move 2 or 3 times before every practice swing, especially if you tend to pull the clubhead to the inside early.
#5368
Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:22 PM
Cwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:
Lefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:
Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour. It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...
This certainly works for Mr Immelman,but will it work for most golfers .I bet NO.Snatching the club too inside is so common as to be pandemic and fanning the club early in the takeaway only encourages this
#5369
Posted 11 May 2012 - 08:54 PM
russc, on 11 May 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:
Cwebb, on 11 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:
Lefthook, on 09 May 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:
Trevor Immelman gets the "fanning motion" done as good or probably better than anyone I've seen on tour. It allows him to "lay the club off" to the top, without the rotation sucking the club too far to the inside...
This certainly works for Mr Immelman,but will it work for most golfers .I bet NO.Snatching the club too inside is so common as to be pandemic and fanning the club early in the takeaway only encourages this
I definitely agree with you. I had been looking at Immelman's swing a lot lately and when I read the post above that mentioned a "fanning motion", he was the example that immediately came to mind, who is also a player that I remembered Geoff mentioning in his writing
#5370
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:55 PM













