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#5191 Ranger Rick

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

View PostHitEmTrue, on 11 April 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

View PostRanger Rick, on 11 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Not sure why they locked it, I thought it was a reasonable request.

Don't know why they locked it either, but a subforum, in and of itself, does not make things more organized for things within that subforum.

What are you asking for...the organization of FAQ's, videos, common problems with solutions...would be quite an undertaking.  Someone would have to step up to the plate, and put it somewhere.  A new version of the Encyclopedia Texarcana, so to speak, but using posts of people besides Slicefixer.

Also, it would create LESS visibility for Slicefixer's teaching.  If a sub-forum were created, ALL slicefixer type threads would be moved there.  There are a lot of peeps that hang out in the main instruction forum, and wouldn't be exposed to those ideas.  For example, I'm sure there is some great information in the Hogan sub-forum, but I just about never wander into that room.

I just looked in the Hogan sub-forum, it doesn't have any of these features you are desiring.

It wouldn't have to happen over night. It would be built up over time. Heck I think just creating a separate thread for video's and beginners would help tremendously. It took a lot of effort to find the ET, and explanations when I started a month ago. It is pretty daunting.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:23 AM

Can someone help me understand where the "pressure" should be in the feet at different areas of the swing? I have watched Dan's video and here is what I have taken from it.

Address: Pressure is on the balls of the feet...light pressure.

Rotating right should and hip backwards: I feel a tremendous amount of pressure with the inside part of my right heel. ( Right handed)

Turning through: Releasing pressure off Right heel into the front balls of my left foot

Impact. Somewhere between heel and balls of my left foot.

Does this sounds about right? I tend to hit the ball of the toe.

Thanks!
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

View Postgmorgan88, on 12 April 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can someone help me understand where the "pressure" should be in the feet at different areas of the swing? I have watched Dan's video and here is what I have taken from it.

Address: Pressure is on the balls of the feet...light pressure.

Rotating right should and hip backwards: I feel a tremendous amount of pressure with the inside part of my right heel. ( Right handed)

Turning through: Releasing pressure off Right heel into the front balls of my left foot

Impact. Somewhere between heel and balls of my left foot.

Does this sounds about right? I tend to hit the ball of the toe.

Thanks!

Transition: Pressure goes quickly to left heel via left ball. Finish: Outside left heel. The rest seems to be OK.

Be sure that you have enough weight towards the heels at address that you can lift your toes. And if you end up too much on your toes through impact, you will not be able to hold your leverage.  The heel toe balance is a delicate balancing act. The footwork makes a difference here. With good footwork you will use the toe of the other foot to counterbalance, and the better footwork you have, the more you can be towards the balls at address and still go from heel to heel top to end. But impact and finish with left heel pressure is key ingredient to the leveraged release and IMO more important than where you have your heel toe balance at address.




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Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

View Postrussc, on 12 April 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:


Although impact is really the only thing that matters, transition is the one area of your swing that can either make or break your swing .It is also the trickiest part of the swing to get right.In a full swing Slicefixer teaches gravity setting the wrists during transition.This is a fancy way of stating that the lower body starts down slightly before  the upper body finishes the backswing  and the wrists are fully. set by the weight of the clubhead during this move .You might see some of this with some players in the 9-3 swing ,but it  is not even universally present in the full swings of  touring pros.Gravity setting the wrists is an advanced  move which you might  think about  in the future.For now focus on getting the wrists fully set at the top and holding this set during transition and the very early downswing and then just let your pivot do the job as the clubface slides downplane.Absolutely no further   thoughts of hand./arm movements beyond holding this set very early on the downswing/transition.Slicefixer has mentioned using the Swingyde to help with holding this set very early in your downswing/transition and it is useful in doing this,but i think that you can do this without any swing aids.
Place a small rod in the  butt of the grip as a feedback and visual device to make sure that the butt of the club is really going low left

Thanks again Russc.  I appreciate all your help and everyone's help on this board!

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:53 AM

Hi Slicefixer folks.

Been working on some changes for a month or so and trying to incorporate a few of russc's recommendations (thanks russc)





I was also fortunate enough to get some input from Dan Whittaker and will be going to see him next month but I just want to keep my progress going for the next few weeks.

Things are looking not too bad but are there any obvious shortcomings that can be spotted by a critical eye? My main thoughts relate to my loss of height on the backswing and lack of extension in the spine to the top of the swing but any input would be appreciated


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:18 PM

View Postrussc, on 10 April 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

View PostRanger Rick, on 10 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:



Let me know, couldn't get a FO video, but will get one next time I hit balls.

Smoothtempo and Cwebb gave you some good advice .so let me fill in the cracks, so to speak.You are committing one of the most common errors among golfers adopting the Slicefxier swing ,snatching the club inside .In your case it is really obvious and occurs from the very beginning of your takeaway.It inevitably leads to the   position at the top where your right upper arm has moved laterally a bunch and you have almost a horizontal swing plane.From there it is almost impossible to get your right elbow in front of your your right hip at impact , so you lose posture at impact and stall your pivot and flip.The goods news is that your impact position   is  going to improve significantly once you get into a better position at the top.The bad news is that the fix ,while theoretically very simple is going to take some time to incorporate into your swing ,since you have probably been doing this for quite some time.Read my post #4166 for a description of what you need to do on the takeaway..NO INDEPENDENT MOVEMENT BY THE HANDS OR WRISTS DURING THE TAKEAWAY.THE HANDS JUST HOLD ONTO THE CLUB. Some other ideas are to  feel the right elbow folding earlier,and to feel the club getting vertical in a "light position".The swing plane is largely determined by the end of your takeaway ,so when you fix your takeaway you should be fine for the rest of the backswing
Drills
1 Place a SMALL THIN bottle  15 inches directly behind the ball and knock it  to over going back
2.Place a LIGHT practice softball about 10 inches directly  behind the ball and sweep it away going back.
3.Practice with the toe of the club against a wall .Have  it remain touching  the wall for the first 12-15 inches.

Checkpoints
you want the clubface to  still be  facing the ball  at 7:30.It will not be facing the ball at the same angle as at setup ,because your body is turning  in an arc,but it should still be facing the ball.
At 9:00 the butt of the club should point approximately at the target line.By 9:00 in your swing, the butt of the club is pointing well outside the target line.You can put a small flashlight or red laser in the butt of your grip to doublecheck this

When you snatch the club too inside ,weight is going to move towards your heels.Do not encourage this move by bending your knees more at the end of your setup.The amount of knee bend  right  before this was sufficient.Remember this simple way to bend to the ball.Stand up straight,but not rigidly erect.Place your  hands on the hipbones in front of your body.Push back gently on these hip bones.You will feel your hamstrings srtetch and your butt go up in the air.When you approach the area where you ground the club ,bend your knees

There is a very obvious theme to these drills,i.e. taking the club back straight for the first 12-15 inches.

You have the potential for a very fine swing.

Russc,

Your post help me alot. I was snatching the club inside recently and could not hit the solid shot to save my soul. Started working with a mirror in my net and finally saw what I felt. Big difference. Club was way around and behind me. I could only throw it around my body in the downswing and attempting to go low and left with the hands on resulted in weak, toe shots. Started working on have my right elbow point to the ground from 9:00 to the top of my backswing. That started the process of my not snatching the club inside.

After I read this post, I brought a metal 12" ruler and now place that on the ground and make sure I have a takeaway where the club is moving parrallel along the ruler. I place a ball next to the end of the ruler and just work on taking the club back along the line of the ruler then hinge wrist. The 12-15" insures I make a deep turn during my takeaway. It is working wonders. Solid contact is starting to become the norm.

I have also added a weighted 2" pvc pipe (cant remember if your, lefthook, gjack uses it, but thanks) to this drill with the ruler to really reenforce the one piece takeaway. I will take a pic of my drill station tomorrow. After the setup, the 1st 12-15" really can dictate the results of my swings. Bad takeaway leads to very poor shots from me. Thanks for all of your input and help. Working on getting video.

Edited by BeenWild, 12 April 2012 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

View PostLefthook, on 12 April 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

View Postgmorgan88, on 12 April 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can someone help me understand where the "pressure" should be in the feet at different areas of the swing? I have watched Dan's video and here is what I have taken from it.

Address: Pressure is on the balls of the feet...light pressure.

Rotating right should and hip backwards: I feel a tremendous amount of pressure with the inside part of my right heel. ( Right handed)

Turning through: Releasing pressure off Right heel into the front balls of my left foot

Impact. Somewhere between heel and balls of my left foot.

Does this sounds about right? I tend to hit the ball of the toe.

Thanks!

Transition: Pressure goes quickly to left heel via left ball. Finish: Outside left heel. The rest seems to be OK.

Be sure that you have enough weight towards the heels at address that you can lift your toes. And if you end up too much on your toes through impact, you will not be able to hold your leverage.  The heel toe balance is a delicate balancing act. The footwork makes a difference here. With good footwork you will use the toe of the other foot to counterbalance, and the better footwork you have, the more you can be towards the balls at address and still go from heel to heel top to end. But impact and finish with left heel pressure is key ingredient to the leveraged release and IMO more important than where you have your heel toe balance at address.




Fantastic... Thank you so much! Everything has been coming together nicely and this may be the missing component.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:58 AM

Hit the range again today. I think I have made some progress, but I still need to get my plane a bit more vertical.

Face on



I am going to keep working on taking the club back more outside with my hands dead on take away and work on folding my right elbow a bit better.

Also I am seeing quite a big EE, I will add the chair drill in.

Edited by Ranger Rick, 13 April 2012 - 11:00 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:05 AM

View PostRanger Rick, on 13 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Hit the range again today. I think I have made some progress, but I still need to get my plane a bit more vertical.

Face on



I am going to keep working on taking the club back more outside with my hands dead on take away and work on folding my right elbow a bit better.

Also I am seeing quite a big EE, I will add the chair drill in.

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but it looks like you have left forearm rotation happening immediately in the takeaway.  This is dragging your plane too flat and behind you to the top.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

Other than the inside take away, does my set up and everything else look good?

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:17 PM

View Postrussc, on 13 April 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

View PostRanger Rick, on 13 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Hit the range again today. I think I have made some progress, but I still need to get my plane a bit more vertical.

Face on



I am going to keep working on taking the club back more outside with my hands dead on take away and work on folding my right elbow a bit better.

Also I am seeing quite a big EE, I will add the chair drill in.

Whoa,slow down .Early extension is always a result of a previous error,it is a compensation (error to correct a previous error).The most common cause of EE is a hidden one ,fitness issues.Others are not having enough space  for the arms going down , driving the legs and hips too much laterally going down coming too inside ,setting up too much on your toes,hunchback shoulders at setup and some others.Well guess which one is the cause of your small  amount of EE .NO SPACE FOR ARMS GOING DOWN.And what causes this ,your backswing position.Your arms are so far behind you that it is impossible to attack from decent angles.Another thing, if you are referring to the drill where the  chair is touching your butt and you try to keep your butt touching the chair going down,well this is  a singularly INEFFECTIVE drill because it addresses the symptoms and not the cause..If you referring to Slicefixer's 45 degree chair drill ,then you have hit upon a great backswing drill,one of the very best,but i have never seen it used in context of helping out EE.
i do have one other concern and it is a physical concern.You have more than the normal amount of lordorsis(curvature ) in your lower back.This can lead to back problems when you get older and is often an indicator of below average core fitness.Start doing some palates

I have always had a bad lower back, even at the tender age of 18. I have been to a couple of chiropractors, and see one reasonably regularly, I have been to a biokineticist due to such bad pain that I couldn't finish 9 holes, that is gone now. I think it is just a postural thing. I play(ed) rugby, play cricket and soccer and until final year got in the way gymed a lot too. I can still hold a bridge for over a minute and for my size am one of the strongest pound for pound out of my friends. It is actually something a couple of mates picked up on when batting, they said I sort of stand with my bum out. If I had time in my schedule for palates I might try it, unfortunately I don't.

Do you think you could refer me to the 45 degree chair post? I got permission from my mom to set up a hitting net in the back garden so I plan on getting a few 9-3's and other drills in there. At the moment is the backswing my only main issue? Does my set up and pivot look fine?


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:10 PM

View Postrussc, on 13 April 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

45 degree  chair drill

Place the back of a patio chair at a 45 degree angle to your right butt  like this  /  .Assume the target line is on top of the page and your target is on the left of the page.Maintain the same  constant,  gentle pressure on the back of the chair as your right butt moves along the back of the chair during the backswing.No feeling of pushing your right butt into the back of the  chair or feeling that your butt does not touch the back of the  chair.Once you adapt to the feeling of this drill,go ahead and hit balls with it.
Has been known to transform a player's backswing in one range session

This sounds great, will definitely give it a try. How does this transform a backswing? Is it more to do with the pivot and less a sort of plane fix? Another question, is my release correct? Am I basically going through the correct motion through the ball?
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:21 AM

Hi maybe someone can help me with this drill. I am from Germany playing hcp 5 with 230y drive length that is anoying me for years. I read some inside out and slicefixers writings and I quite like his ideas. I was no good lateral shifter anyway and I would like to keep my back in one piece in the future.

Now even before I read about Slicefixers idea I was doing the shortgame like that and it works good. I have the trailing feeling there like bowling or throwing a horse shoe  keeping the weight on the left foot. In the 9/3 drill I can not overcome the urge to snap with my arms. I can not make me feel that dragging sensation I would like to have. I don't know why but I cant stop it. Is there a method to really keep the arms from doing nasty stuff?

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

Ok ill make longline and side movies also. just saw most Slicefixer videos from that angle.

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.I am not sure as what you mean by "that dragging sensation  or snap with your arms?        

I know from the chips and pitches that if I do it right there is a pulling sensation in my left arm. With sapping the arms I mean actively using them. I have the feeling I am stopping the hip turn that you see by using the arms. Dunno how not to do this.

Edited by Peter_b, 14 April 2012 - 12:46 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:41 PM

All right will use a credit card and try to keep it there. May I use some scotch tape as I will surely need that for it to stay in place. Just kidding. Thanks for helping.

Edit: I don't have a club to try and its night here already but trying to compress the left armpit while swinging makes a sudden and almost 90° left pull of the left shoulder, the direction of that pull almost to my left back. Is this sensation correct?

Edited by Peter_b, 14 April 2012 - 02:05 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

i was reading Geoff's thought on the Stack and Tilt...the way i get it he thinks its garbage and it could cause back problems? am i correct......am i the only one that thinks that the ET 1.2 is a little easier to understand?



Thanks


i believe im going to stay away from Stack and Tilt my back is killng me today.......

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

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Your point about the angle of the videos on Slicefixer's channel is well made.There seems to be a paucity of videos shot directly in front or dtl ,although you will find some if your really look.There should be a pulling sensation for the whole left side,so to the extent that your left arm is connected to your torso ,you will feel your  left arm pulling also but only in concert with your torso.Again your perception is correct in the use of your arms.Until you post further videos,try this simple and effective aid.Place a small nerf ball/credit card deep inside your left armpit.Do not drop the nerf ball /credit card until well after impact.This will connect your upper left arm to your torso going back and in the crucial area  from just before to just after impact


Slice does not post DTL & face on vids deliberately - they'll be ripped off.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:51 AM

Russc I haven't been to the range yet as weather is awful here. I was doing some swings in the living room trying to leave the lamps hanging. I think I got it. We early extenders have the urge to swing the hands on plane and to the ball and this what activates our arms starts the shoulders and stops the hip early. Only if I move, almost pull  the hands close to my hips while pulling the left hip back I get the club trailing nicely. Now the full swing feels like a Chip. Also the hands get hurled to the back-left and I can see now where the fade is coming from.
I have to test this on the range tomorrow but I am quite sure I am on the right track!

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

Well here is side and longline. There is something very strange happening I seem to not be able to pull my left hip back in the downswing and there is a gap between my right arm and the body in the downswing. I forgot to use the credit card but I believe that’s not what can solve my problem here? I really hate my swing thorugh no mytter what i try I end up doing this strange side move. So please try to help me turn better somehow.





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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:52 PM

Thank you RussC for taking the time to answer, this is exactly what I feel, its not that I want to do the lateral movement, I am really forced there.  I will correct the setup and hopefully I can deep turn as the swing needs.
Just one question as in  that past 25 years I was carefully not swinging inward. Now when my spine is tilted reverse K and I am swinging around the spine the clubhead and arms will go inside. From the side view the hand s and the club will not pass by the hips together but the clubhead behind the hands and both behind the hip. This is OK for me if correct but I need to overcome this and know its correct. My guess is Slicefixer does not post side views as this would open discussion of the swing cant be correct as the hands are not where they should in the classic swing. So for the hands club and hip overlapping at 9 o'clock i would have to setup the camera some more left if standing behind the player. Is that right? I need this for my understanding before changing a 25 year old setup.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:55 AM

Here is my first effort to do the setup and deep turn correctly. Is it correct this way?



assuming its not sooo bad what I am doing and USA is asleep and I wont get an answer soon,  I went to the range: here is what it looks like



http://youtu.be/9JLlSisu2CQ

I still see the right arm not working correctly with a gap in downswing.

Edited by Peter_b, 17 April 2012 - 06:59 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:50 AM

After trying some of the drills mentioned to stop me bringing it way inside I noticed if I do a slight trigger movement (that is what it is called in cricket, it is not a forward press) where I sort of pre-set my right wrist slightly and then do the take away focusing on no more hand movement I get into much better positions at 9 and the top of the swing. Is this acceptable or should I keep it as a training aid. Also what is a cheap camcorder for shooting my swing, something with at least 60fps recording. I am sure this is the right thread to ask that in.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:19 AM

View PostPeter_b, on 17 April 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Here is my first effort to do the setup and deep turn correctly. Is it correct this way?



assuming its not sooo bad what I am doing and USA is asleep and I wont get an answer soon,  I went to the range: here is what it looks like



http://youtu.be/9JLlSisu2CQ

I still see the right arm not working correctly with a gap in downswing.
Hi Peter,

You're not there yet.

The most important Key Success Factor for this swing is leverage through impact. In order to have that, the hands must be pulled back to the inside while the club head goes down the target line. Impact should feel very heavy and deliberate, with plenty of resistance from the club head itself as well as the collision with the ball. This resistance should run up your left arm, down your left side all the way to the left heel. At its best, the ball should virtually melt on the club face.

Compared to what you're doing now it should probably feel something like hitting the ball in the middle of the release. You know that part of the down swing where you really get a grab of the club head and can apply some serious force on the shaft. The trick is to move that alignment closer and closer and closer to the ball. What you will end up with then is a leveraged impact. Where you pull hard with the left side through the ball, and push hard with the right. And when you really get it, the arms behave like steel levers who simply leverages the force you apply with your pivot - right at impact!

This is feel stuff, and feel is an individual thing. So take it with a grain of salt. But the feel and the intentions in a slicefixer release is very different from a crossover release. I have a feel that an impact bag could do wonders for you here.

Some geometrical pointers:


You are overdoing the tilt away from the target at address. Aim for a reverse K, where left foot, left hip and left shoulder is on the same vertical line as seen face on. Hips square to target line, shoulders slightly open.

You have a right elbow issue that starts early. Turn your right elbow  so it faces the ground more at address. This will promote more of an elbow folding and less of a chicken winging later on. Also, since you're going to swing your arms a lot less, you need to turn your pivot more and sooner.

Your arms are disconnecting with your pivot early in the back swing. Aim for a one piece takeaway. Frozen hands and arms for the first few inches. Brace your shoulders and upper arms to create a firm connection between pivot and hands. Only move the club with hips and shoulders in the takeaway. Actually do as much as possible with the hips as this will give set you up for using more leg power coming back down again.

You can try to hit 7-1's with frozen hands and arms. It will emphasize correct use of the pivot and full pivot-hands connection through impact.

Right now, you're not turning into the back foot and loading it. You are turning EVERYTHING above the ancles. Brace your back foot at address. Athletic. Ready to jump. Or at least ready to push forward during transition.  In the back swing, everything can turn except the back foot, knee and femur. Even the left foot can turn if you let the heel come off the ground (this is not mandatory though). The motion of the right leg is a linear motion away from the target line and slightly forward in order to assist in rotating the right hip around the lower spine.  But the rotation stops in the right hip joint. So don't let the back knee or foot take up the any of torque.  

Hopefully this will set you up for a proper transition.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:14 AM

Lefthook thank you for explaining, that is the feeling I am looking for. I had some accidental shots like that and I will do anything to have that feeling again. Additionally I find the swings Slicefixer builds absolutely gorgeous. They look pure and simple. I think Russ is right that if I cant do the swing up properly it makes no sense to go for the release.
I feel like learning golf from scratch again.

Edited by Peter_b, 17 April 2012 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

You're welcome.

I agree with Russc about the back swing and release. Besides, there's no point to aim for a release yet. Any effort to release the club will mask disconnection issues and make it harder to sort out any issues with pivot & hands.  Learn to hit the ball solid without a release first.


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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:06 AM

HI guys.

   I have really bad early extension and have tried everything to fix it.   My hips shoot at the ball on the downswing really bad..

  Any advice i would appreciate !

                  

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:55 AM

View Postpokerlife, on 18 April 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

HI guys.

   I have really bad early extension and have tried everything to fix it.   My hips shoot at the ball on the downswing really bad..

  Any advice i would appreciate !

                  



Your hands are arriving late for impact. Shaft angle is very steep. And I think you're over the top. Early extension is a natural response to where you are half way down and probably the best way to save the shot under the circumstances.

Too much arms swing in the back swing. Don't swing the arms with the arms. Swing the arms with the pivot and try to keep your hands more in front of your pivot.

You are lifting hands and club from the takeaway. The takeaway should start on the shaft plane established at address.That means keep hands and club head low during the takeaway. Then turn rotate everything to the inside and let the swing plane rise as you fold the right elbow. Turn it back, don't lift it back.

I have a feeling there is more to say here, if you post a face on view as well.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:30 AM

View PostLefthook, on 18 April 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

View Postpokerlife, on 18 April 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

HI guys.

   I have really bad early extension and have tried everything to fix it.   My hips shoot at the ball on the downswing really bad..

  Any advice i would appreciate !

                  



Your hands are arriving late for impact. Shaft angle is very steep. And I think you're over the top. Early extension is a natural response to where you are half way down and probably the best way to save the shot under the circumstances.

Too much arms swing in the back swing. Don't swing the arms with the arms. Swing the arms with the pivot and try to keep your hands more in front of your pivot.

You are lifting hands and club from the takeaway. The takeaway should start on the shaft plane established at address.That means keep hands and club head low during the takeaway. Then turn rotate everything to the inside and let the swing plane rise as you fold the right elbow. Turn it back, don't lift it back.

I have a feeling there is more to say here, if you post a face on view as well.


                   Thank you!  I like your image of keeping the shaft on the same angle as it is in the setup. Makes it easy to imagine for me.  
  Here is a side view
Here is a shot with a driver.. Was long for me carried about 255 my avg carry is 235   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn2JEWR2jKs&feature=channel&list=UL

  Thanks again



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:09 AM

Slice and Russ, I checked my grip according to the the pictures that were posted and I do have a correct left hand grip. The right hand is too weak, the V is pointing more to my sternum. This could in my opinion also explain my badly working right arm in the up- and downswing. A stronger grip should favor a right arm closer to the body: with a stringer grip the swing does feel much different.
Here is how i grip it and then I change the right hand. It should help this?

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You have a right elbow issue that starts early. Turn your right elbow   so it faces the ground more at address. This will promote more of an  elbow folding and less of a chicken winging later on.



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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:55 AM

View PostPeter_b, on 18 April 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

Slice and Russ, I checked my grip according to the the pictures that were posted and I do have a correct left hand grip. The right hand is too weak, the V is pointing more to my sternum. This could in my opinion also explain my badly working right arm in the up- and downswing. A stronger grip should favor a right arm closer to the body: with a stringer grip the swing does feel much different.
Here is how i grip it and then I change the right hand. It should help this?

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You have a right elbow issue that starts early. Turn your right elbow   so it faces the ground more at address. This will promote more of an  elbow folding and less of a chicken winging later on.



You need to turn the left hand stronger, Peter. I think the relationship between the two hands were OK before,  you just need to strengthen both.






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