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[tngolf22]

verderraul, on 04 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

"Thanks to all for the responses.  Let me clarify and add some color about my "try to hit it with my entire right side" comment.  This is a feeling  that I get when I set the angle of my right wrist, and exaggerate  retaining it as I rotate agressively around my left pivot point.  Again,  I rehearse this in practice swings, then let it all go in my actual  swing, where the forces of physics take over and cause the club to  release.  The feeling of "hitting it with the right side" comes from the  sense of "connectedness" to my rotating core, the leverage that is  created, and the resulting compression that takes place at impact.  It  is an incredibly powerful feeling and you'll know it when you experience  it."

+1 .

Like you, this is how i try to hit with my right side.

Hey you and Dpar, thanks for the input.  I don't know why I've never focused on rotating the core (instead of using my left side to turn and pull the core around my left pivot).  Maybe it stems from my fear of over-the-top.  It may explain why I feel like I'm hitting the ball more solid than my old flip swing but still a tad shorter than my flip swing.

[Jrose]

Geoff has told me many times that rotation is a steepening move for the arms and lateral drive is a shallowing move for the arms. This is why it is important to get the left arm rotation right in the backswing. Mr. Hogans arms actually came down steeper than they went back. It might feel steep with the arms but as long as the club is coming in shallow it will be ok.

Edited by Jrose, 05 April 2012 - 09:14 AM.

[frikkie5000]

Ranger Rick, on 04 April 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

rustyputterguy, on 03 April 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

MadGolfer76, on 03 April 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

This thing has gotten so massive that it is almost unusable.

Agreed. It'd be awesome if there was a Slice sub-forum so people could create separate posts for the "look at my swing" entries and one cleaner post about the swing theory.

This ^, at 172 pages it must be one of the longest threads on this site.

And on that note, played 18 today at a great course here in Johannesburg. It is split 8/10, played the front 8 in 2 over par, was driving spectacularly well, hit my irons solid but not incredibly and my short game was sharp. Made the turn and started double, double and played the last 10 in 10 over, finished with an 82 which tied my best score and is my best score relative to par, and 2 shots under my official handicap but I couldn't help but be a bit upset with my round. I hit a massive drive on the last, 235m into the wind and uphill, was stuck between a PW and Gap wedge to a front pin so decided to play a 3/4 PW and hit it fat, took my 52 for the next shot and chunked that, chipped on and putted out for a bogey.

I will get a video of my swing up in the next few days hopefully when I go to the range next but it feels good. I just dont feel as if my irons are as solid, consistently, as the rest of my game right now. They are SGI, and I do not like the way they set up which is perhaps one issue. Also I think my driver might be a touch too spinny, and I cannot draw it, which could cause some issues on one or two holes at club champs which is coming up. If I set up with my weight more 50/50 and did the bug crush move would that work? Or is it too much of a detour?

Which course did you play? There are some really nice courses in Gauteng at the moment. Nice to see fellow Saffers on the site I'm currently adopting a SF type release myself to get my swing a bit more consistent in preparation for Q school. It's been hard work and I've been at it for a while now, but things are starting to take shape. I'm no expert, but I'd be more than willing get together if you are up for it. It's easier to sort these things out if you have a second set of eyes.

Edited by frikkie5000, 05 April 2012 - 03:31 PM.

[Tenken]

Does "crushing the bug with the left heel" during transition apply even on shots where majority of the weight is already set left? Since the weight is already on the left side can you not just rotate to complete the swing?

Also, in Dan's short game video, it looks like SF style setup (specifically right knee kicked in) doesn't apply on rotational trap and "cutting the ball from under"? The setup looks more traditional to me.

[markponi]

"Tremendous leverage"

[swats]

Yea, really liking Bae's swing here.  It's like swing video Christmas every year when Lake posts his Augusta vids

[rustyputterguy]

swats, on 06 April 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Yea, really liking Bae's swing here.  It's like swing video Christmas every year when Lake posts his Augusta vids

Wow, those are great vids that he posts.

[turbo4door]

Can someone talk to me about putting and how Slice approaches it?
I am such a terrible putter its just embarrassing. Looking for ideas/discussion on:
Posture
Grip
Stroke

[gjack]

turbo4door, on 06 April 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Can someone talk to me about putting and how Slice approaches it?
I am such a terrible putter its just embarrassing. Looking for ideas/discussion on:
Posture
Grip
Stroke

Geoff is a hardcore fundamentalist when it comes to any part of the game. Putting is no different.  We spent a brief amount of time on putting and he feels you should practice starting the ball on line (100 3' putts drill) and deliberate focus on distance control.  Take 5 balls and putt the first one at any given length (no hole needed) and then try and putt the other 4 the exact same distance.  if ya can start the ball online consistently and control your speed/distance... you will be way ahead of the game.  He also is a big fan of the laser level you can buy at home depot that shoots a line on the ground...again, starting the ball online and seeing it go where you want it to go.

[turbo4door]

gjack, on 07 April 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

turbo4door, on 06 April 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Can someone talk to me about putting and how Slice approaches it?
I am such a terrible putter its just embarrassing. Looking for ideas/discussion on:
Posture
Grip
Stroke

Geoff is a hardcore fundamentalist when it comes to any part of the game. Putting is no different.  We spent a brief amount of time on putting and he feels you should practice starting the ball on line (100 3' putts drill) and deliberate focus on distance control.  Take 5 balls and putt the first one at any given length (no hole needed) and then try and putt the other 4 the exact same distance.  if ya can start the ball online consistently and control your speed/distance... you will be way ahead of the game.  He also is a big fan of the laser level you can buy at home depot that shoots a line on the ground...again, starting the ball online and seeing it go where you want it to go.

Thanks. Can you give any details on your setup or grip? Does he go over any of that with you? I really feel that setup is my issue

[sdbadd]

My ball striking has really suffered  over the winter months.  I have lost the feelings I had last fall and trying to get them back.  Please have a look and advise where I need to start and what I need to focus on.  I have been working on the towel drill, the nerf ball between the arms and the glove under the left arm drills.  I know I lose my leverage and I can't seem to keep my right arm on or close to my right hip. As a result I am hitting alot of fat shots and shanks.  Any advise and help is appreciated.

DTL


Front

[Ranger Rick]

Set up looks off. Need a bit more spine tilt. Also left arm connection is lacking. I'm not the expert though. Just my observations.

Question, should I be trying to/ have issues with trying to shape shots at the moment. Haven't been swinging SF for a while but I am hitting the ball great. Obviously being able to shape shots helps a lot around the course but I haven't been able to get anything other than a stock fade on my driver and a straight shot with my irons. The notable exception being my hybrid which I hooked twice yesterday, I think I may just be overpowering the stock R flex shaft though.

[sdbadd]

russc, on 07 April 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

sdbadd, on 07 April 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

My ball striking has really suffered  over the winter months.  I have lost the feelings I had last fall and trying to get them back.  Please have a look and advise where I need to start and what I need to focus on.  I have been working on the towel drill, the nerf ball between the arms and the glove under the left arm drills.  I know I lose my leverage and I can't seem to keep my right arm on or close to my right hip. As a result I am hitting alot of fat shots and shanks.  Any advise and help is appreciated.

DTL


Front

                                                                                The BACKSWING


Winding up around your titled spine  is the essence of the backswing in the Slicefixer swing.

This is not present in your swing,at least in part because you have not setup with a tilted spine .So before you try any swing aids ,you MUST setup with your spine tilted away from the target and then keep that tilt intact throughout the whole backswing.I have found that one of the easiest ways yo check to see if you have spine tilt is to hit ball in a shirt with vertical stripes/lines.Then you can easily see in a mirror if you have the required small amount of setup tilt .
Post some front videos /pictures of your setup position and your entire backswing and  we will give you feedback on whether you are tilted correctly.You can do this in your backyard

Thanks Russc.  I've been practicing the setup in front of a mirror at home, but obviously it's not transpiring to the range.  Ill post updated vids soon.  Do you find it easier to set your weight distribution first and then get into a reverse k or vice versa?

[Ranger Rick]

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[SmoothTempo]

@Ranger Rick -

I'm not in russc's pay grade, but I have struggled with the same type of problem. Two drills that have helped me:

1. Do a backswing to P3 (left arm parallel to ground), stop and check position. You are probably OK here since you are doing lots of 9-to-3s. From P3 to P4 (end of backswing), the right elbow should stay essentially in the same vertical plane in front of the right hip. Focus on right elbow folding rather than moving laterally, as you push your right palm into the left thumb ("extensor action" in TGM lingo). From DTL view, right elbow should stay still or maybe move upward a little as it folds, but never deeper as you are doing. Look at DTL footage of Hogan, Spider, or Anthony Kim. Once you have correct right elbow position at P4, then do stop-and-go drill: Backswing to P3, stop for few secs to check yourself, then to P4 and finish swing. Video yourself to make sure you are doing it correctly.

2. Do a full backswing to P4, then stop and collapse your arms, pulling your hands parallel to ground, straight toward your body. If you did that with your current swing, your hands would hit your right bicep. Done correctly, your hands would hit your right pec.

Ranger Rick, on 08 April 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

<br /> photo.PNGRussc I video'd myself at the range and it looks as if I am getting way too flat and swinging very around myself. Almost a combo of Kuchar and Mahan. What drills or feels are there to get more vertical. Here photos of me at the top. How can I get into a better position, I feel as if my pivot is fine but my arms get caught deep behind me and my miss is a push, comes out with the shorter clubs a lot.<br />

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[Cwebb]

Ranger Rick, on 08 April 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

photo.PNGRussc I video'd myself at the range and it looks as if I am getting way too flat and swinging very around myself. Almost a combo of Kuchar and Mahan. What drills or feels are there to get more vertical. Here photos of me at the top. How can I get into a better position, I feel as if my pivot is fine but my arms get caught deep behind me and my miss is a push, comes out with the shorter clubs a lot.

Your right humerous bone (upper arm) must be swinging sideways, to get into this position that is too far behind you at the top.  

You need a steeper arm swing to not allow your right humerous to get stuck behind you.  The arms should not swing sideways.  The sideways movement is forced upon them by the pivot.

Steve Bann: "the arms swing up and down, as the body pivots around it's setup angles"

[outlaw1984]

why do people go beyond 9 o clock??????

wouldnt someone have just as good success staying at 9?

[fats]

sshadow2, on 05 April 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

Geoff really needs to come out and expand himself. I've been hearing how concerned he was about having his method stolen. But the damage is still being done. I hope he can the resources and some instructors of his out into view.

Geoff needs no instructors. He's better off having amateurs/tour pros come to see him. I hope he gets smart and never teaches another wannabe teacher again. He'd sleep better at night with these idiots off his back.

[rustyputterguy]

I'm curious if having a fast tempo might cause problems getting the wrists set by 9:00 on the full swing.
After seeing some videos of my swing I'm noticing that my tempo is pretty quick.
I'm trying to maintain a one piece take away until between 7:30-8:00, but that doesn't leave much time to rotate the left arm and get the wrists fully cocked by 9:00. I eventually get there on the full swing but it's not until past 9:00, probably closer to 10:00.
If I try to consciously set the hands, something I've always thought was a no-no, all hell breaks lose.
I don't have current video on the 9-3 drill, but I'm guessing my tempo is a bit slower doing the 9-3 drill than it is for a full swing as I'm hitting the ball well doing the drill and feel the wrists fully set.
I'm sure tempo is a very personal thing, but does anyone know what Slice has to say about tempo?

[otto6457]

fats, on 09 April 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

sshadow2, on 05 April 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

Geoff really needs to come out and expand himself. I've been hearing how concerned he was about having his method stolen. But the damage is still being done. I hope he can the resources and some instructors of his out into view.

Geoff needs no instructors. He's better off having amateurs/tour pros come to see him. I hope he gets smart and never teaches another wannabe teacher again. He'd sleep better at night with these idiots off his back.

+1

[Ranger Rick]

Let me know, couldn't get a FO video, but will get one next time I hit balls.

[sdbadd]

Russc, here are some updated videos.  I have been working on the setup and turning around a tilted spine.  Please have a look and any advice, feedback and tips is greatly appreciated.  I'm a tall and skinny guy so I don't own any vertical stripe shirts - the one in the vid is the closest I have

Front


DTL


Back
http://youtu.be/BzhO39ucEVE

[rockwallraider]

sdbadd, on 10 April 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Russc, here are some updated videos.  I have been working on the setup and turning around a tilted spine.  Please have a look and any advice, feedback and tips is greatly appreciated.  I'm a tall and skinny guy so I don't own any vertical stripe shirts - the one in the vid is the closest I have

Front


DTL


Back
http://youtu.be/BzhO39ucEVE

Do your neibors think u are as crazy as mine do of me?

Edited by rockwallraider, 10 April 2012 - 09:55 PM.

[sdbadd]

rockwallraider, on 10 April 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Do your neibors think u are as crazy as mine do of me?

Hahaha   Not as crazy as my wife thinks of me as I ask her to video my swing every couple days........

[sdbadd]

russc, on 10 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

sdbadd, on 10 April 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Russc, here are some updated videos.  I have been working on the setup and turning around a tilted spine.  Please have a look and any advice, feedback and tips is greatly appreciated.  I'm a tall and skinny guy so I don't own any vertical stripe shirts - the one in the vid is the closest I have

Front


DTL


Back
http://youtu.be/BzhO39ucEVE

closer.You have  overdone the left leg at setup.The left knee knee is bowed out towards the target.Obvious in front video and rally obvious in back video..reverse k =left heel, left knee  knee hip lined up in a vertical line .Make sure left knee does not go outside this line .
Also toe out your left foot more toward the target.Will help with downswing rotation.
Too much hands /wrists in takeaway .remember during the takeaway NO independent movement by the hands or wrists at all.
On downswing you have a small loss of leverage early.During transition and very early downswing try to maintain your wrist set to its maximum. On the downswing you need to be  much more aggressive about rotating  left with your lower core .Try putting a rod through your front belt loops and rotate this rod hard left  on the downswing /or place a small rod into the butt  end of the grip and tray to rotate this rod hard left in your lower downswing.

Thanks Russc.  What feelings should I have at the transition and on the downswing to not dump the leverage early and to pull the butt of the shaft low and left?  Is there any independent hand/arm movements to achieve this?

[dtrance]

Please voice your opinion here if you think this thread is getting out of hand
http://www.golfwrx.c...ixer-sub-forum/

[sdbadd]

dtrance, on 11 April 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Please voice your opinion here if you think this thread is getting out of hand
http://www.golfwrx.c...ixer-sub-forum/

That thread is now locked.  Although I would love to see a separate sub-forum for the slicefixer swing, it may become redundant and unused when Geoff gets his website and forum open.

[Ranger Rick]

Not sure why they locked it, I thought it was a reasonable request.

[HitEmTrue]

Ranger Rick, on 11 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Not sure why they locked it, I thought it was a reasonable request.

Don't know why they locked it either, but a subforum, in and of itself, does not make things more organized for things within that subforum.

What are you asking for...the organization of FAQ's, videos, common problems with solutions...would be quite an undertaking.  Someone would have to step up to the plate, and put it somewhere.  A new version of the Encyclopedia Texarcana, so to speak, but using posts of people besides Slicefixer.

Also, it would create LESS visibility for Slicefixer's teaching.  If a sub-forum were created, ALL slicefixer type threads would be moved there.  There are a lot of peeps that hang out in the main instruction forum, and wouldn't be exposed to those ideas.  For example, I'm sure there is some great information in the Hogan sub-forum, but I just about never wander into that room.

I just looked in the Hogan sub-forum, it doesn't have any of these features you are desiring.

[zabarnss]

Ha! sdbadd, that is the funniest post I've ever seen in this thread! Does anyone really believe that this will actually happen? My conclusion is that Geoff is a great one-on-one instructor, but doesn't have the drive or time to get the web site or book finished, sigh...

sdbadd, on 11 April 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

dtrance, on 11 April 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Please voice your opinion here if you think this thread is getting out of hand http://www.golfwrx.c...ixer-sub-forum/

That thread is now locked. Although I would love to see a separate sub-forum for the slicefixer swing, it may become redundant and unused when Geoff gets his website and forum open.

Edited by zabarnss, 11 April 2012 - 01:35 PM.