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[Ken_In_CA]

Did anyone else find that after completing the 9-3 drills and then trying to hit full swings, that your abs were very sore afterwards? Yeah I know that I'm not in the greatest of shape, but shesh! My abs are killing me!    

SF, if my abs are sore, does that mean I'm doing it correctly or do I have a fatal error?  

[Taylormadematt]

Yep your doing it right, mine killed at first but it does get easier

Edited by Taylormadematt , 30 June 2008 - 03:33 PM.

[juansky]

Shagshow, on Jun 27 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

Juansky I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come off like that.  I hope the drill helps.  My apologies.

Apology accepted compadre .

[juansky]

Hey Slice, Anthony Kim reminds me of what you teach. Very impressive and repeatable swing, no non-sense in that swing.

If you don't mind I'm planning to video my swing using your method again and was wondering if I could send you a few videos of my swing. Better yet, I can post them on this thread right?

Maybe you can pick something up that I can't see with my eyes? Let me know?

Thanks!

[cyberjanitor]

Slicefixer, thank you for your encyclopedia.  The presentation of the ideas helped me cemet some concepts.

Here's my question/problem:  I can't make a good swing at half speed or 3/4 speed.  Speed not length of the swing.  I feel very good doing the 9 to 3 drill if I rotate through crisply.  My full swings are amazing (for me) if I "swing through."  Not trying to overpower it, but just swing at a full pace.  The club sticks in the dirt if I swing in slow motion or 75%.  Am I supposed to be consciously attempting to hold off the release?  I understood that the release should just happen and as such I've not attempted to manipulate it.

I occassionally hit fat shots, which I attribute to getting out of sync and/or too much lateral "float" in the back swing.  It was working on eliminating this fault that led me to notice I can't swing a speeds less than full out.

[harleypitbull1]

Well I did the 9 to 3 drill for about 4 days and ball striking got great. Played in a tournament last weekend,,,,, the city am and was 3 shots off the lead,,,,, shot 71 on day one and putted bad,,,,, could have very easily been 4 or 5 better. Well on day 2 I got the shanks some how and shot 86,,,,,, I shanked almost every full iron that I hit. Went back to the range and hit it good again. What a game,,,,, somedays nothing like it and others make you want to shoot yourself.

[TEConnor]

harleypitbull1, on Jul 8 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

Well I did the 9 to 3 drill for about 4 days and ball striking got great. Played in a tournament last weekend,,,,, the city am and was 3 shots off the lead,,,,, shot 71 on day one and putted bad,,,,, could have very easily been 4 or 5 better. Well on day 2 I got the shanks some how and shot 86,,,,,, I shanked almost every full iron that I hit. Went back to the range and hit it good again. What a game,,,,, somedays nothing like it and others make you want to shoot yourself.

I had a period of about 2 weeks early on with my use of the 9 to 3 drill that I developed the shanks with short irons and wedges.  Slicefixer had a great explanation of why people shank in the slice-o-pedia that helped me right the ship.  It also helped to look at film and I was able to figure out that I was sliding left and getting out of synch when the New York Shankees would come in town.

Tim

[harleypitbull1]

TEConnor, on Jul 8 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

harleypitbull1, on Jul 8 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

Well I did the 9 to 3 drill for about 4 days and ball striking got great. Played in a tournament last weekend,,,,, the city am and was 3 shots off the lead,,,,, shot 71 on day one and putted bad,,,,, could have very easily been 4 or 5 better. Well on day 2 I got the shanks some how and shot 86,,,,,, I shanked almost every full iron that I hit. Went back to the range and hit it good again. What a game,,,,, somedays nothing like it and others make you want to shoot yourself.

I had a period of about 2 weeks early on with my use of the 9 to 3 drill that I developed the shanks with short irons and wedges. Slicefixer had a great explanation of why people shank in the slice-o-pedia that helped me right the ship. It also helped to look at film and I was able to figure out that I was sliding left and getting out of synch when the New York Shankees would come in town.

Tim

where do I find this sliceopedia?

[WorkingOnIt]

As someone who occassionally gets the shanks and whos misses tend to be on the heel I can relate.  This is from an earlier post in this thread and the comments are from Slicefixer about the shanks, maybe it will help you.




Slicefixer wrote:
Shanks can be caused by either a swing that is too much inside-out or a swing path that is too much outside-in. The commonality is that with each swing, the arms run off and get behind the body.

Rarely is a shank or heel hit caused by standing too close to the ball. In fact, the opposite is usually the case. The student stands too far from the ball and the club and arms work too far inside and behind the body resulting in a swing path that is too much from inside and/or an armswing that is too much from the inside, or both…the arms are working from behind the body.

When the arms are working too much from the inside on the downswing not only will a path too much from the inside be the result, but the momentum of the club and arms working away from the body will quite often pull the weight onto the players toes…shank/heel hits result.

With some “good players”, they re-route the arms and club in the transition to shallow the plane. Once in a while they will overdue the re-route and the club and arms work too much from the inside when they are not timing their swing as well. Shank will result sometimes and heel hits will be the rule.

[harleypitbull1]

WorkingOnIt, on Jul 8 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

As someone who occassionally gets the shanks and whos misses tend to be on the heel I can relate. This is from an earlier post in this thread and the comments are from Slicefixer about the shanks, maybe it will help you.




Slicefixer wrote:
Shanks can be caused by either a swing that is too much inside-out or a swing path that is too much outside-in. The commonality is that with each swing, the arms run off and get behind the body.

Rarely is a shank or heel hit caused by standing too close to the ball. In fact, the opposite is usually the case. The student stands too far from the ball and the club and arms work too far inside and behind the body resulting in a swing path that is too much from inside and/or an armswing that is too much from the inside, or both…the arms are working from behind the body.

When the arms are working too much from the inside on the downswing not only will a path too much from the inside be the result, but the momentum of the club and arms working away from the body will quite often pull the weight onto the players toes…shank/heel hits result.

With some "good players", they re-route the arms and club in the transition to shallow the plane. Once in a while they will overdue the re-route and the club and arms work too much from the inside when they are not timing their swing as well. Shank will result sometimes and heel hits will be the rule.

My miss is defiantely always on the heel. I do have a problem with getting too far inside. On the range when I get in a rythm, I start throwing beaver pelt like divots. When I get on the course I cant take a divot to save my life. I think that is from being too far inside,,,,my miss is also a hook.

[LeftField11]

harleypitbull1, on Jul 8 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

where do I find this sliceopedia?

Here you go.  This has been the sole source of information that I've used to build a decent swing.  It's info is invaluable.

Attached Files

•  Encyclopedia_Texarkana.pdf   1.03MB   1503 downloads

[Divotsplus]

TheWoat, on Apr 17 2008, 11:55 PM, said:

Nice video footage.. is that camera good enough to film a bullet going through an apple?  Probably not, but it would be fun to try.

If its' the new casio then yep it's fast enough to get you a slow mo on the the bullet/apple.

[scs1070]

harleypitbull1, on Jul 8 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

WorkingOnIt, on Jul 8 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

As someone who occassionally gets the shanks and whos misses tend to be on the heel I can relate. This is from an earlier post in this thread and the comments are from Slicefixer about the shanks, maybe it will help you.




Slicefixer wrote:
Shanks can be caused by either a swing that is too much inside-out or a swing path that is too much outside-in. The commonality is that with each swing, the arms run off and get behind the body.

Rarely is a shank or heel hit caused by standing too close to the ball. In fact, the opposite is usually the case. The student stands too far from the ball and the club and arms work too far inside and behind the body resulting in a swing path that is too much from inside and/or an armswing that is too much from the inside, or both…the arms are working from behind the body.

When the arms are working too much from the inside on the downswing not only will a path too much from the inside be the result, but the momentum of the club and arms working away from the body will quite often pull the weight onto the players toes…shank/heel hits result.

With some "good players", they re-route the arms and club in the transition to shallow the plane. Once in a while they will overdue the re-route and the club and arms work too much from the inside when they are not timing their swing as well. Shank will result sometimes and heel hits will be the rule.

My miss is defiantely always on the heel. I do have a problem with getting too far inside. On the range when I get in a rythm, I start throwing beaver pelt like divots. When I get on the course I cant take a divot to save my life. I think that is from being too far inside,,,,my miss is also a hook.

This is one of my common mistakes on the range, I must be getting the club really flat or laid off and the swinging inside out.  Last night I got a real nice shank fest when trying the closed face drill.  Got back to basics and made sure I was getting my hands in the correct position.  

I've been reading this post and working on this for about 2 months now and I must say that my ball striking and consistancy has really done a 180.   I will have to try and steal someone's video camera to see what it looks like.

[ballin1]

For the life of me, I can't conceptually get the phrase "swing low and left."  Okay, well, I get "left" but what's going "low"?  The butt of the club?

And picturing it and practicing it, I can't see how I don't pull the ball.  All my hits are pulls because I'm pivoting hard to the left and pulling by left arm (connected to my chest) around left while trying to keep my hands low.  This feels like my right side then hits down from almost directly behind the ball on its way left.  This always causes a pull for me.

Can someone help?  Jeez..I'm so freakin frustrated.  This 9-3 drill should be easy...and I'm not that bad of a player!

[juansky]

ballin1, on Jul 8 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

For the life of me, I can't conceptually get the phrase "swing low and left."  Okay, well, I get "left" but what's going "low"?  The butt of the club?

And picturing it and practicing it, I can't see how I don't pull the ball.  All my hits are pulls because I'm pivoting hard to the left and pulling by left arm (connected to my chest) around left while trying to keep my hands low.  This feels like my right side then hits down from almost directly behind the ball on its way left.  This always causes a pull for me.

Can someone help?  Jeez..I'm so freakin frustrated.  This 9-3 drill should be easy...and I'm not that bad of a player!

I know your pain.......I was pulling the heck out of it before I gave up about a month ago. Slice will probably have you do the "shut face" drill to eliminate the handsy motion and keep your angle of attack. Believe me, I didn't think I was manipulating the club head but I still do it even though I think I'm not doing it.

Golf is a life long love/hate relationship.           

[GOLF FTW]

also, make sure you are rotating your left forearm going back..

[ballin1]

GOLF FTW, on Jul 8 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

also, make sure you are rotating your left forearm going back..

Hmmm...this may do it.  I'm trying it right now and it makes it a bit easier to keep the right wrist set for longer.  I'll try it out at the range.

[juansky]

I guess Slice is busy, I haven't seen him around lately.

Well, I went to the range today and noticed how well I was hitting my mid/long irons and driver with the Slice method. But my short irons were short in terms of distance, but they were straight. My guess is that I have the club face too open and need to set up square?

With the longer clubs I had the face open about 5-6* which worked great. I was killing my 4 iron today, usually it gives me problems. It carried about 200 yds which was very nice to see.

Any input about the short irons would be helpful, thanks!

[GOLF FTW]

juansky, if you are doing the slicefixer method, openning the clubface is unnecessary if you are doing it right.. you might want to check your grip, because as i have said in other post,

THE GRIP IS THE ENGINE ROOM FOR THE SWING!

goodluck!

[LeftField11]

juansky, on Jul 9 2008, 02:38 AM, said:

I guess Slice is busy, I haven't seen him around lately.

I'd guess that he's on his way to the UK, or is already there, for the school he and DFW1500 are doing and the Open.

[cyberjanitor]

With the importance given to the setup in Slicefixer's Encyclopedia Texarkana ("SET") and reiterated throughout these threads, does anyone have some good address pictures or diagrams to help me understand all of the concepts presented?

Specifically:

Ball position versus hand position - ball is variable but the SET states that the hands should be just inside the left thigh (for a right handed player) for all clubs.

Reverse K - the stacking of the left side and the "kick-in" of the right knee, I'd like to see a picture of this but it may be just exactly as it's described.

Spine tilt or lack of spine tilt - Should the spine be completely vertical and the shoulders slightly titled or should the shoulders be exactly perpendicular to the spine with the spine titled away from the target to account for the lower right hand?

How much space should exist between the hands and the thighs at address?  (I think that I saw 1.5 to 2 fists in this thread)

Should the shoulders, knees, and balls of the feet be aligned vertically at address?

Thank you for any help.

Edited by cyberjanitor, 09 July 2008 - 10:59 AM.

[LeftField11]

Check out the video linked in the very first post in this thread.  Towards the end of the video there is a face-on shot of someone doing the 9-3 drill that will show you everything you are looking for.  It is highlighted with red and blue lines showing the setup angles.

[cyberjanitor]

Thank you for pointing that out as the diagrams did answer mos tof my questions.

I'm still unsure of the ball position and how far the hands should be from the body.

[M0stly Harm13ss]

juansky, on Jul 9 2008, 06:38 AM, said:

I guess Slice is busy, I haven't seen him around lately.

Well, I went to the range today and noticed how well I was hitting my mid/long irons and driver with the Slice method. But my short irons were short in terms of distance, but they were straight. My guess is that I have the club face too open and need to set up square?

With the longer clubs I had the face open about 5-6* which worked great. I was killing my 4 iron today, usually it gives me problems. It carried about 200 yds which was very nice to see.

Any input about the short irons would be helpful, thanks!

Slice is over here in the UK at the moment (luckily for us!), and can't get his laptop to work with our 240V mains, so may not be on for a few days until we can find him an adaptor/transformer!

The man is a genius! Great stories, great teacher and oh my, has wonderful control over the ball.

[TEConnor]

M0stly Harm13ss, on Jul 9 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

juansky, on Jul 9 2008, 06:38 AM, said:

I guess Slice is busy, I haven't seen him around lately.

Well, I went to the range today and noticed how well I was hitting my mid/long irons and driver with the Slice method. But my short irons were short in terms of distance, but they were straight. My guess is that I have the club face too open and need to set up square?

With the longer clubs I had the face open about 5-6* which worked great. I was killing my 4 iron today, usually it gives me problems. It carried about 200 yds which was very nice to see.

Any input about the short irons would be helpful, thanks!

Slice is over here in the UK at the moment (luckily for us!), and can't get his laptop to work with our 240V mains, so may not be on for a few days until we can find him an adaptor/transformer!

The man is a genius! Great stories, great teacher and oh my, has wonderful control over the ball.

If you can give a little update here and there, that would be great.  

Tim

[GOLF FTW]

TEConnor, quick question.

where did slice put your ball position, relative to your head or eyes (if that makes any sense)?

[KOC]

To all SF fans:-

http://www.sacbee.co...ry/1057573.html

[TEConnor]

GOLF FTW, on Jul 9 2008, 08:23 PM, said:

TEConnor, quick question.

where did slice put your ball position, relative to your head or eyes (if that makes any sense)?

I should preface this with the fact that I've never been to TXAR.  So anything I say is based on what Slicefixer has told us on here and those who have been to TXAR have conveyed as well.

My recollection on the ball position is that for the 9 to 3 drill you want a relatively narrow stance with the ball towards the middle/back of this stance.  You will have 70% weight forward/left and maintain it there throughout the DRILL so as to ensure that in this DRILL the pivot is driving everything.  The Spine Axis will be essentially vertical to slightly tilted away from the target in this DRILL and the shoulders would be perpendicular to the spine.  The head is lined up along the spine, obviously I hope.  I'm not sure about eyes...I know that Slicefixer mentions the "eye alignment" as a key thing he looks at in his students.  However, I've never seen more than just cursory explanation on this from Slice.

Hope this helps,
Tim

[juansky]

KOC, on Jul 9 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

To all SF fans:-

http://www.sacbee.co...ry/1057573.html

Wow, very cool article! $750 for 2 days.......Thank God we're blessed to have Slice spread his knowledge for free to us bimbos on GolfWRX!

Makes me appreciate him even more.

Slice is the MAN!

[PurePursuit]

750 for two days is worth it.  You are getting countless hours on his range and as much instruction as you need.  Worth every damn penny.

edit: Plus he is kind enough to run special offers/scholarships for those of us who don't have a ton of disposable income.

Edited by Shagshow, 10 July 2008 - 10:48 AM.