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#1 SeaIsland

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:52 PM

I am an admitted junky for JDM club information. And I know I focus too much on the heads --not enough on the shafts. I would appreciate across the board advice. My hope is that my preferences are not unusual and that your answers will have value for a broader audience.

I am 60 and carry a 7 HC. I am 6'2" and 225lbs. My driver SS is around 100 MPH.

I hit Miura CB 57s with MCI 120s, Stiff. I love them, but I want another set --something easier to hit, lighter shafts. As a backup or replacement set, I am looking for an equally clean, low offset, thin top line, but hotter faced set up. The new EPON P3s, the Honma TW 737Ps come to mind.

I hit a Cally Alpha DBD driver and Tour Edge CB Pro (limited) FW and hybrid. Stiff shafts, mid launch. These clubs all have a clean matted black finish, no alignment markings. That's my preference, and because I've got a few seasons on them, I wouldn't mind something new, easier to hit, higher launching, but classic still. What's a good set up? Ryoma --which one? J-Beam, etc, shaft pairings?

There seem to be all sorts of good wedge options. The Yururi's look great, but again, I'm in the blind here. I have Miura C grinds and may not switch, except for a higher lofted, high bounce sand wedge option. Perhaps the Fried Egg?

I simply don't have any direct experience with these other brands. I'm getting to that point where help from a hot face (at least in the long irons) would seem to make sense --make the game more fun. Your help is appreciated.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:27 PM

The new Miura's are supposed to be very hot my club maker called me to come hit them because he was getting 10-15 yards extra on 6 irons.  I play the Epon 503's and they fly.
Jbeam ZY-11 is a great driver.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:06 PM

The better spring face designs will increase distance.  The sound on some spring face irons is pretty crappy though.  I've tried a few different models and the Mizuno Hot Metal's are the best I've found.  As for JDM irons, I'm not sure what to suggest.  I had some Yonex PCB iEzone irons that were beautiful but I didn't like the sound so I sold them.  Good luck in your search.  I suggest demoing as much as possible before purchase for clubs like you mention or you can be disappointed.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:02 AM

Epon P3's are amazing as are the new Genesis from Miura! Have to hit those asap!

Edited by apprenti23, 21 March 2017 - 06:03 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:18 PM

With apologies to Chip down there in Savannah (LOL) I had and played the CB-57s and the OnOff Kuros side by side, both with KBS Tours.
Still Have the OnOffs. Top line probably less thin than the Miura but feel and sound excellent. The Honma you mention have very different feel/sound than Miura imho, so be sure to hit them 1st if you are leaning in that direction.  

From a shaft standpoint you might like the Nippon Modus 105s.
I also play a set of oldies (TourStage TS-202) with the Nippon 950s but then again I'm about 10 years older than you and close to 15mph slower :-)


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:44 PM

View PostHopnstopnputt, on 21 March 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

With apologies to Chip down there in Savannah (LOL) I had and played the CB-57s and the OnOff Kuros side by side, both with KBS Tours.
Still Have the OnOffs. Top line probably less thin than the Miura but feel and sound excellent. The Honma you mention have very different feel/sound than Miura imho, so be sure to hit them 1st if you are leaning in that direction.  

From a shaft standpoint you might like the Nippon Modus 105s.
I also play a set of oldies (TourStage TS-202) with the Nippon 950s but then again I'm about 10 years older than you and close to 15mph slower :-)
I think your suggestion on the Modus 105s is a keeper. Will definitely try. Hard to believe that the Honma irons seem to be the "value" of the bunch... Chip has suggested the new Miuras (Genesis), but I don't like the look. Would be interesting to talk to someone who has hit the new Epons and the Honmas. My guess is that the Honmas feel like the Apex --maybe a little less clicky? The Epon Personal 3s seem to be the embodiment of what I'm looking for, but... isn't there a less expensive option?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:45 PM

View Postapprenti23, on 21 March 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

Epon P3's are amazing as are the new Genesis from Miura! Have to hit those asap!
You've hit the Personal 3s? Do tell...

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

            Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 12:26 AM

Since you're looking for the CB chassis, take a gander at the Masda HC-01 in regards to irons.

Nakashima for wedges (biased since they've been the best I have used)

Baldo for a driver

A-Grind DST for woods

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All that good stuff needs to find a home.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 02:19 AM

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

how's onoff compared with z765? on picture the topline looks very thick.

price is right for me to pull the trigger. not much changed from 2015 to 2017, right?


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:01 AM

View Postlarciel, on 22 March 2017 - 02:19 AM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

how's onoff compared with z765? on picture the topline looks very thick.

price is right for me to pull the trigger. not much changed from 2015 to 2017, right?

The OnOff is more forgiving than the Z765 and so far the OnOff's aren't coming out of my bag. The price difference between the 2015 & 2017 version of the Kuro is 3-400 bucks so that's up to you .  The criteria you set would have me grabbing a set of Kuros . The Topline on both are identical

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:38 AM

It's only 8am but I need to change my pants... holy moly they are beautiful

.. why did I start shopping at rakuten!! :(

Edited by larciel, 22 March 2017 - 11:13 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Postlarciel, on 22 March 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

It's only 8am but I need to change my pants... holy moly they are beautiful

price i see on rakuten is for 5-pw. where did you find 4iron?

I custom ordered the set in the photos from TSG with Nippon Modus 3 Tour 120S  +1/4" .  The 4 Iron can be ordered as well from dealers on Rakuten.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

View PostSeaIsland, on 21 March 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

View PostHopnstopnputt, on 21 March 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

With apologies to Chip down there in Savannah (LOL) I had and played the CB-57s and the OnOff Kuros side by side, both with KBS Tours.
Still Have the OnOffs. Top line probably less thin than the Miura but feel and sound excellent. The Honma you mention have very different feel/sound than Miura imho, so be sure to hit them 1st if you are leaning in that direction.  

From a shaft standpoint you might like the Nippon Modus 105s.
I also play a set of oldies (TourStage TS-202) with the Nippon 950s but then again I'm about 10 years older than you and close to 15mph slower :-)
I think your suggestion on the Modus 105s is a keeper. Will definitely try. Hard to believe that the Honma irons seem to be the "value" of the bunch... Chip has suggested the new Miuras (Genesis), but I don't like the look. Would be interesting to talk to someone who has hit the new Epons and the Honmas. My guess is that the Honmas feel like the Apex --maybe a little less clicky? The Epon Personal 3s seem to be the embodiment of what I'm looking for, but... isn't there a less expensive option?

Have been some glowing reports on Genesis performance but I hear ya on the look. Have not hit the Epons but have hit Honma and you may be right on more like Apex than Miura imo. Also don't discount the Srixon Z765 mentioned by Tzoid. They might be the only new thing out there I've hit that could get me to buy yet another set of irons.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:44 PM

Of my three JDM sets, I rate them as follows:

1. Epon AF 302
2. Miura MB-5005
3. Honma TW737Vn

I just got the Honma's and I'm still feeling them out, but they a distant 3rd to my 302s.  The MB-5005s are a close second, but the 302s are just butta.  I was looking at the P3s before deciding on the TW737s as I wanted to give Honma a try.  I'll probably end up with P3s in the future, but nothing driving me at this point.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

            Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

            Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

First time I heard that.


I just tried my first miura today. Cb501 and MB. Cb feels like hitting a brick. Never tried blade before but mb feels very nice. buttery feeling of honma is much much better than these. Why do people love miura?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:17 PM

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

  I have never heard that and everything I have procured from them. ( Nippon Shafts ) has been 100% genuine.
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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:06 PM

View PostJBW, on 23 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

Of my three JDM sets, I rate them as follows:

1. Epon AF 302
2. Miura MB-5005
3. Honma TW737Vn

I just got the Honma's and I'm still feeling them out, but they a distant 3rd to my 302s.  The MB-5005s are a close second, but the 302s are just butta.  I was looking at the P3s before deciding on the TW737s as I wanted to give Honma a try.  I'll probably end up with P3s in the future, but nothing driving me at this point.
Thanks.... what's not grabbing you about the Honmas?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:14 PM

View PostTzoid, on 23 March 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

            Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

  I have never heard that and everything I have procured from them. ( Nippon Shafts ) has been 100% genuine.

Didn't think they were authorized sellers of all that stuff. Have to check with OEMs


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:28 PM

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View PostTzoid, on 23 March 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

  I have never heard that and everything I have procured from them. ( Nippon Shafts ) has been 100% genuine.

Didn't think they were authorized sellers of all that stuff. Have to check with OEMs

I can verify what I purchased is 100% genuine and I bought a spare set of OnOff Kuro Irons from a dealer on Ebay that also sells on Rakuten.  ( Atomic Golf) and the clubs are legit and had the Globeride/OnOff packaging identical from the set I bought from Tour Spec Golf.

Edited by Tzoid, 23 March 2017 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 10:22 AM

View PostTzoid, on 23 March 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 23 March 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

View Postapprenti23, on 23 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostTzoid, on 21 March 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

For me the Endo forged Irons are hard to beat especially when they can be had at a great price if you do a little leg work.  I currently play the OnOff 2015 Kuro Irons that are forged by Endo from S20C. I also picked up a set of the new Srixon Z765 Irons and they are also forged by Endo.

   The 2015 OnOff Kuro Irons could probably be had for under 700 bucks on Rakuten and the Srixon's around the same price.
look here  http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/yours-golf-plaza/item/onoff-2015forged6-ns/
and here http://global.rakute...tem/n160726-23/

Miura Irons are nice but the Endo irons are every bit as refined and for me feel much nicer....  Feel is personal so don't get butt hurt :)

Rakuten is known for selling Chinese fakes, yes?

  I have never heard that and everything I have procured from them. ( Nippon Shafts ) has been 100% genuine.

Didn't think they were authorized sellers of all that stuff. Have to check with OEMs

I can verify what I purchased is 100% genuine and I bought a spare set of OnOff Kuro Irons from a dealer on Ebay that also sells on Rakuten.  ( Atomic Golf) and the clubs are legit and had the Globeride/OnOff packaging identical from the set I bought from Tour Spec Golf.


Not to thread jack, but I believe Rakuten is mostly legit. The sites the sell fakes are like Aliexpress. But if anyone has any bad experiences from Ratuken please let me know. I was about to pull the trigger on some TourStages.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:40 PM

I have heard nothing but positive things for the most part about Rakuten dealers. I had a issue with TSTAR on a purchase that they cancelled on me but I didn't get counterfeit clubs or lost funds.  I have purchased shafts from a few dealers and the service was amazing.  Shipping from Japan in 3;5 working days still shocks me but that's my experience .  The fact that most dealers use PayPal I feel comfortable buying from Rakuten  dealers .  
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

As has already been mentioned above, do yourself a favor and give the Onoff Kuros a serious look, and save some bucks in the process.  You're in for a treat.  On my second set of Onoffs.  Have bought several items from Rakuten, and have never had an issue.  Substantial savings potential vs. retail.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 05:39 PM

I have the 2013 OnoFF irons and they are awesome.  As mentioned, I wouldn't call the top line thin, but the irons are beautiful and the feel is awesome.  The only comparable feel I have found are my 1999 Hogan Apex Plus (Endo forged) and my 1961 Wilson Staff Dynapowert irons.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 06:13 PM

View Postebk, on 31 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

I have the 2013 OnoFF irons and they are awesome.  As mentioned, I wouldn't call the top line thin, but the irons are beautiful and the feel is awesome.  The only comparable feel I have found are my 1999 Hogan Apex Plus (Endo forged) and my 1961 Wilson Staff Dynapowert irons.

+1 on the 2013. Awesome irons.
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