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TP5x vs B330 vs Z Star xv vs TPX


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#31 BigHook25

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

I tried the Z star XV a few years ago and didn't care about it, but may have to try the newer ones after the OP's review.  I'm a big fan of the Bridgestone B330 and TPx so I'm anxious to try the TP5x.  I can easily play either ball on any day.  Everything I've read said the new TP5 balls fly a little higher but with lower spin, but I still have to try them.  I don't have any problems spinning the ball or hitting it high, so I usually lean more towards lower spin balls.  I also don't care for golf balls that were way too soft like the chrome supersoft.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:09 PM

View PostspartY84, on 08 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

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Such little mistakes can lead to huge miss-judgements and render a otherwise nice review worthless and misleading...
...beside, that the reliability, and maybe even the credibility, suffers.

P.S.:

He got not only one model year wrong...



I appreciate your passion for golf balls.  I own about 6 dozen too many.  The OP is giving an honest review of balls he's tested.  I'm fairly sure he's not getting paid for this so cut him some slack for giving his opinion.  This site would really suck if we can't do that.


All good but I appreciate it!

I rushed it a bit and wasn't clear. I do agree with him that when we post reviews they should be accurate. But I got the point in the first condescending post he wrote and tried to correct it right away.



I do think the TP5x is going to be a great ball for some and I look forward to testing it on a calm day. It certainly was long, especially down wind. The xv is a huge surprise. The b330 always seems to be lurking and trying to get in the bag, consistently good.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:15 PM

To the OP, I noticed you are from PA, like me.  I assume these tests were done outside?  We've had some warm weather but not your typical mid 70s-mid 80s spring/summer/fall type temps.   I've played with these Bridgestones and Sirixons but not during the winter temps.....use MC Ladys or Laddies and even some leftover TM Red LDPs. Do you think any of these results would change if conducted in typical golf weather 80 degree temps?  Thanks for sharing your test.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:18 PM

Have you ever done this test with your balls:

https://www.youtube....h?v=bbyb0DL22NE

I think it is a very good aid, for making the right decision.

Dude was good but did not tell how to mix salt/water ratio. Also, for me when I quit fooling with aiming a line my putting got better...and no alignment aid on putter either.  I wonder if I find one sleeve out of four out of balance if mfg will exchange them for me? ;)
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

View Postmoonshine, on 08 March 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Have you ever done this test with your balls:

https://www.youtube....h?v=bbyb0DL22NE

I think it is a very good aid, for making the right decision.

Dude was good but did not tell how to mix salt/water ratio. Also, for me when I quit fooling with aiming a line my putting got better...and no alignment aid on putter either.  I wonder if I find one sleeve out of four out of balance if mfg will exchange them for me? ;)

I'm the same way.  If only I could find a putter without an alignment aid...

What putter are you gaming and where'd you get it?


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:40 PM

View Postmoonshine, on 08 March 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Have you ever done this test with your balls:

https://www.youtube....h?v=bbyb0DL22NE

I think it is a very good aid, for making the right decision.

Dude was good but did not tell how to mix salt/water ratio. Also, for me when I quit fooling with aiming a line my putting got better...and no alignment aid on putter either.  I wonder if I find one sleeve out of four out of balance if mfg will exchange them for me? ;)

You can start with a saturated solution in a glass, that is only filled to the half, and add water until only the uppermost dimples are above the waterline.

You can add a very little amount of detergent, or soap, to break the surface tension of the water, to add accuracy for the test, if wanted...


You will be surprised, that even balls of the top manufacturers from the same batch, will sometimes float in a different height and rotate at a substantially different speed.

If you have a very precise balance, you can also measure the different weight of the balls (from one batch).


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:40 PM

View Postgphin305, on 08 March 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

To the OP, I noticed you are from PA, like me.  I assume these tests were done outside?  We've had some warm weather but not your typical mid 70s-mid 80s spring/summer/fall type temps.   I've played with these Bridgestones and Sirixons but not during the winter temps.....use MC Ladys or Laddies and even some leftover TM Red LDPs. Do you think any of these results would change if conducted in typical golf weather 80 degree temps?  Thanks for sharing your test.

Both indoors and out. I've had all of them out in warm weather. It's been a great winter in my area. We've had several 70 degree plus days recently. And even more in the high 60s. Today was in the high 50s early and 60s towards the end. Very windy.

I think they will all perform better when it's warmer. I think the ball that would improve the most for me on a warm, calm day is the Tp5x.

My club is fairly dry and the greens are in pretty great shape for this time of year. I play there 100 plus times a year and know all of my spots. So I feel pretty good about what I'm seeing so far.


I also add that I haven't gone more than 8-9 days in a row without playing this winter. I probably played 30-35 round since November. So the swings in pretty good shape.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:46 PM

View PostspartY84, on 08 March 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

View Postmoonshine, on 08 March 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Have you ever done this test with your balls:

https://www.youtube....h?v=bbyb0DL22NE

I think it is a very good aid, for making the right decision.

Dude was good but did not tell how to mix salt/water ratio. Also, for me when I quit fooling with aiming a line my putting got better...and no alignment aid on putter either.  I wonder if I find one sleeve out of four out of balance if mfg will exchange them for me? ;)

I'm the same way.  If only I could find a putter without an alignment aid...

What putter are you gaming and where'd you get it?

Some, I know of:

http://taylormadegol...86.html#start=2

http://taylormadegol...94.html#start=1

or MLA putters, which have something, that doesn´t look like a alignment aid...

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:49 PM

Thanks for the reply but I was looking for more of an anser style blade.

Also sorry for going totally off topic. Please keep discussing these balls. It's fun.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:58 PM

View PostspartY84, on 08 March 2017 - 05:49 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply but I was looking for more of an anser style blade.

Also sorry for going totally off topic. Please keep discussing these balls. It's fun.

...you can also use a black marking pen, or non reflective black paint, to create your own custom build putter without (obvious) markings...


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 07:07 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 08 March 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

View Postscottaz, on 08 March 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 08 March 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscottaz, on 08 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 08 March 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Could you do some testing on the Chrome Soft X and new ProV1x?

I've actually never hit the XV but it's on my list to try as I've now tried everything else. I actually feel like the B330 does pretty well in the wind, it's one of the few balls that generally doesn't get knocked down as badly in severe headwinds. Could be for me because it launches lower than say the ProV's or other balls. However it was a spin machine off my driver... Could have been me that day though. I've found the chrome soft was the best all around ball for me, but I'm always looking to see if something else can outrank it.


I had some of the new Pro Vx test balls sent to me this year and they felt great off the irons but I didn't like them off the woods at all. Never really do. Not a Pro V guy.

I haven't tried the Chrome X yet. Hear they're pretty great but I hated the Chrome soft. So it would have to be very different.
Why did you hate Chrome Soft? I liked the softness and it spun comparably (or seemed to) most tour balls. It did fly pretty high, but that helped me stick greens with my lower spinning GI's. Now that I've got higher spinning MP54's perhaps I won't like the Chrome as much.

I've seen reviews on youtube showing Chrome X not really being any dif than Chrome regular. Main dif would be sound/feel.

I actually like clicky harder feeling balls. Especially off the driver. The chrome soft felt like a marshmallow to me.
That's what the super soft feels like. The Chrome felt soft, but still hard enough to actually be able to tell where you hit the ball from. To me 2015 Prov1x feels like a rock especially from single pieces of milled steel. On inserts it's not terrible, but I hate that clicky feel.

Then you may like the Tp5. Felt softer to me than the tpx. The others are at least as firm, if not firmer than the Pro V's imo.

I could really see and feel a difference with the putter. The new TM was softer feeling, less of a click but rolled out a few feet more with the same stroke. Jumpy I thought. If I left a lot of putts short, I'd like it. Felt exactly the same about it on short chips.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

Thanks for the review. I am about to go through something similar so I appreciate the insight!
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:37 PM

I plan on comparing the '16 B330, 16' TPx, '17 Srixon XV, and the TP5x so I enjoyed reading that. It took forever for me to decide between the B330 and TPx last year before I finally ended up playing the TPx. I'm really looking forward the giving the TP5x a shot.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:38 PM

I'm anxious to see what you guys think when you test. I find it very interesting when guys who like similar balls test them and end up feeling differently about them.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:42 PM

Just picked up 3 dozen of the new B330 (buy 2 get 1 free is going on) and 2 dozen TP5X. I've already been biased toward the B300 just for the reason it's all made in USA. Only the outer 2 layers of the TP5X are made here, or assembled here, don't remember. Excited to try them out.

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 03:28 AM

Thanks for the review OP, I'm keen to try the TP5x but after reading this I'm not sure it's going to be any good, which is a shame because I loved the TPx.

However this new XV is ticking all the boxes and is really performing for me, I'm glad you also found it to be great in the wind and it's not just my imagination!
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

View PostJonesy, on 09 March 2017 - 03:28 AM, said:

Thanks for the review OP, I'm keen to try the TP5x but after reading this I'm not sure it's going to be any good, which is a shame because I loved the TPx.

However this new XV is ticking all the boxes and is really performing for me, I'm glad you also found it to be great in the wind and it's not just my imagination!

Give the TP5x a shot. You may do well with it. Most of the reviews I've seen have been very very positive. But with my height and the conditions I play in often, it won't work.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 11:59 AM

View Postscottaz, on 09 March 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

View PostJonesy, on 09 March 2017 - 03:28 AM, said:

Thanks for the review OP, I'm keen to try the TP5x but after reading this I'm not sure it's going to be any good, which is a shame because I loved the TPx.

However this new XV is ticking all the boxes and is really performing for me, I'm glad you also found it to be great in the wind and it's not just my imagination!

Give the TP5x a shot. You may do well with it. Most of the reviews I've seen have been very very positive. But with my height and the conditions I play in often, it won't work.

I agre with OP here, TP5x launched way to high for me, and I was hoping I would love it. It was a good ball, not great, but just not the fit I was hoping for.

I tested against 2017 V1, V1x and XV... TP5x came in last place for me through the top side of my bag, but it performed very well with full wedges and around the greens.

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 07:17 PM

Great review thanks !!

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 08:07 PM

I got a few questions I thought I'd answer here.

I think the durability on both the xv and Tp5x was very solid. I hit a cart path with the TM and it was still usable. The Srixon looks whiter/brighter than any ball I've seen. B330 is always very good as well but gets that dirty look easily.

I said distance wasn't something I paid much attention to and that's because I rarely see much difference with similar balls. All 4 of the balls I've been playing had the longest drive at some point. I do think I was seeing the xv consistently longer with the irons. But not by much.

I liked the feel of the TP5x more than my playing partner. A little softer than the tpx imo.

Wedge spin for me (most to least) xv, Tp5x, tpx, b330.

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 11:21 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 08 March 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscottaz, on 08 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 08 March 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Could you do some testing on the Chrome Soft X and new ProV1x?

I've actually never hit the XV but it's on my list to try as I've now tried everything else. I actually feel like the B330 does pretty well in the wind, it's one of the few balls that generally doesn't get knocked down as badly in severe headwinds. Could be for me because it launches lower than say the ProV's or other balls. However it was a spin machine off my driver... Could have been me that day though. I've found the chrome soft was the best all around ball for me, but I'm always looking to see if something else can outrank it.


I had some of the new Pro Vx test balls sent to me this year and they felt great off the irons but I didn't like them off the woods at all. Never really do. Not a Pro V guy.

I haven't tried the Chrome X yet. Hear they're pretty great but I hated the Chrome soft. So it would have to be very different.
Why did you hate Chrome Soft? I liked the softness and it spun comparably (or seemed to) most tour balls. It did fly pretty high, but that helped me stick greens with my lower spinning GI's. Now that I've got higher spinning MP54's perhaps I won't like the Chrome as much.

I've seen reviews on youtube showing Chrome X not really being any dif than Chrome regular. Main dif would be sound/feel.


I did grab some Chrome X to test. Unfortunately my good winter took a wrong turn today. I don't have last years Soft to compare it to but it still feels very soft off the putter. I might get on flight scope with it tomorrow.
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Posted 11 March 2017 - 07:03 PM

View Postscottaz, on 08 March 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I've been doing a lot of ball testing over the past few weeks. I like to find my gamer early, stock up and know exactly what to expect from my ball all season. Money isn't a factor. I play what fits best.

Last year I ended up playing the 2016 TPX.

This year the final 4 ended up being the ones listed above. My course is windy a lot of the time and I'm a high ball player, so that's a huge factor for me. We have small, very fast greens with lots of false fronts. So the right amount of spin is another big one. But when I test, scoring is the major deciding factor.  

The TPX was a great ball for me last year and with the new ones coming out, I was hoping it would hold up since I have many in stock and could easily load up with more.

I also tested the newer B330 B version. I still had a few dozen of the previous years B330's and they were very similar to me. But I liked the newer one a bit more.

Over the past few weeks the XV has been beating the tpx and both B330's. I haven't liked previous years of the xv as much as other balls, so the 2017's have been the big surprise so far. There is nothing better I've hit in the wind and the B330 is no slouch in the wind.

I never worry about distance off the tee. Just looking for control and how well it holds the line. The xv shines here.  I like the feel better than the others. My one concern still is the spin on the greens. Both of the other two behave similarly with approach shots. I'm seeing a little bit more spin with the xv but feel it's something I can adjust to. And may end up being helpful at times.

I was pretty certain, after all of the glowing reviews of the new TP5x, that it would end up being my ball. I much prefer last years version. The TP5x wants to go high. I liked all three other balls in every way more. On 18 this morning I hit the xv and TP5x from 130 out into a heavy wind. I miss hit the xv slightly and ended up 10' past the pin. I flushed the TP5x and watched it get crushed. 15 yards short. As I watched it climb and hit a wall (not the first time today) I knew this would not be my gamer.

My playing partner was testing the two TM's and liked last years better. He's a lower ball player and I thought he'd get on with the new one. Shorter off the tee for him, didn't like the feel as much. Similar with approach shots.

I'm still going to do more testing until I'm 100% certain but as of now I'd rank them...


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I have to say I'm surprised so many, especially guys who hit it high, are liking the TP5x. But this just shows how we're all different animals and thankfully there a so many great balls to choose from this year.

And you can pick up last years XV for $30/dozen
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Posted 11 March 2017 - 08:00 PM

View Postscottaz, on 08 March 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I've been doing a lot of ball testing over the past few weeks. I like to find my gamer early, stock up and know exactly what to expect from my ball all season. Money isn't a factor. I play what fits best.

Last year I ended up playing the 2016 TPX.

This year the final 4 ended up being the ones listed above. My course is windy a lot of the time and I'm a high ball player, so that's a huge factor for me. We have small, very fast greens with lots of false fronts. So the right amount of spin is another big one. But when I test, scoring is the major deciding factor.  

The TPX was a great ball for me last year and with the new ones coming out, I was hoping it would hold up since I have many in stock and could easily load up with more.

I also tested the newer B330 B version. I still had a few dozen of the previous years B330's and they were very similar to me. But I liked the newer one a bit more.

Over the past few weeks the XV has been beating the tpx and both B330's. I haven't liked previous years of the xv as much as other balls, so the 2017's have been the big surprise so far. There is nothing better I've hit in the wind and the B330 is no slouch in the wind.

I never worry about distance off the tee. Just looking for control and how well it holds the line. The xv shines here.  I like the feel better than the others. My one concern still is the spin on the greens. Both of the other two behave similarly with approach shots. I'm seeing a little bit more spin with the xv but feel it's something I can adjust to. And may end up being helpful at times.

I was pretty certain, after all of the glowing reviews of the new TP5x, that it would end up being my ball. I much prefer last years version. The TP5x wants to go high. I liked all three other balls in every way more. On 18 this morning I hit the xv and TP5x from 130 out into a heavy wind. I miss hit the xv slightly and ended up 10' past the pin. I flushed the TP5x and watched it get crushed. 15 yards short. As I watched it climb and hit a wall (not the first time today) I knew this would not be my gamer.

My playing partner was testing the two TM's and liked last years better. He's a lower ball player and I thought he'd get on with the new one. Shorter off the tee for him, didn't like the feel as much. Similar with approach shots.

I'm still going to do more testing until I'm 100% certain but as of now I'd rank them...


Srixon vx
Newest version B330
2016 TPX
Previous version B330


I have to say I'm surprised so many, especially guys who hit it high, are liking the TP5x. But this just shows how we're all different animals and thankfully there a so many great balls to choose from this year.
Great review, I really appreciate this info as it involves some balls I was interested in. I have been playin tpx and love them, so nice to not have to worry about new tm ball being better, can just stock up on cheaper tpx. Only other ball I'm looking at is CS x, but as they are full price atm I will stick with the tpx until I can't find them anymore.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:12 AM

Just an FYI, for the guys looking at the 2017 XV, Academy Sports has the 6 ball trial packs for $9.99.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:04 PM

I have tried all of these balls plus the B330s.  I haven't done extensive testing, but could definitely game them all. I have been gaming the TPX, and love everything about it, but need a new gamer when my stock runs out.

I only made it out for one round with the TP5x but played the same ball all 18 on sanded greens and it held up well.  Like the OP I noticed a bit higher ball flight, but a slight increase in distance with my irons, nothing really off the tee though.  I like the slightly softer feel and sound off the face, so I could definitely game this one.

The XV is in the running as well, as it does perform well in the wind.  I noticed a similar launch though but again, great distance throughout the bag.  A little clicky for me off the putter face.

The B330s is perhaps my favorite of the new balls I've tested.  I don't notice any discernable difference in launch angle and like the other balls I wrote about above, can control trajectory when needed.  What I like the most about this ball is the softer feel coupled with no loss in distance anywhere in the bag.  I prefer the softer feel for greenside control, giving this a slight edge to replace the TPx when I run out.  I also noticed no difference between this and the B330 other than feel and again, I prefer softer over firm.

My rankings (excluding the TPX, because I'm already gaming that ball and it won't be available all year, most likely):

1a. B330s
1b. TP5x
2. XV
3. B330

*****EDIT: To clarify, I currently game the '14 TPX and haven't really even done much testing with the '16 version at all.

Edited by joliver233, 12 March 2017 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:21 PM

Why do you say the TPx won't be available all year?
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:52 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 12 March 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Why do you say the TPx won't be available all year?

Not sure really, just a hunch based on the probable demand, future price drops etc. When the new TPX released it was hard to find the old version after awhile.  I'm not sure why, but they either sell faster than other brands when they go on sale, or TM pulls some of their stock back or something (or a combination).  Whatever the case, I'm just doing some testing now for whenever my TPX stock runs dry.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 03:05 PM

​I have about another week before I can get outside and play again, so I spent some time indoors with the 17' xv, latest version B330, Chrome x and the new TM TP5x.

The TP5x was constantly 10-15' higher with all irons. I spent a lot of time just hitting the 7 iron to start and was peaking around 117 on average with it vs around 107 with the others. I had several that were in the 120's with the TP5x. It's just not going to work for me.

I loaded up on the XV's. It just continues to impress me.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

thanks for doing this test and the information
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:35 PM

View Postscottaz, on 18 March 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

​I have about another week before I can get outside and play again, so I spent some time indoors with the 17' xv, latest version B330, Chrome x and the new TM TP5x.

The TP5x was constantly 10-15' higher with all irons. I spent a lot of time just hitting the 7 iron to start and was peaking around 117 on average with it vs around 107 with the others. I had several that were in the 120's with the TP5x. It's just not going to work for me.

I loaded up on the XV's. It just continues to impress me.

If the TP5x is cutting through the wind and not losing distance (if it actually is), why would the higher flight be an issue?


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