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NEW TOUR ISSUE KURO KAGE SILVER DUAL CORE PROTO 60 TS STIFF Shaft


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#31 dmael

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 11:20 AM

Here is an update and an FYI for those of you who have asked questions or are interested in this shaft and how it plays relative to other shafts in TS and/or X flex:

I tested the Prototype TS flex "Tour Issue" (or "Tour Only") Kuro Kage TiNi Dual Core shaft that is installed in my GBB Epic driver (44.75" playing length; D3 swingweight) vs. a Mitsubishi D+ ("Whiteboard") 80-X (same playing length, one swingweight point higher), as well as a Paderson Kinetixx 860TP shaft in TS flex (essentially their S-flex shaft with 1/2" of tip-trim).  All shafts are installed in genuine Callaway adapters and were installed in my 9* non Sub-Zero Epic clubhead for frequency testing and shaft profiling.  The Kuro Kage TiNi Dual Core 60 TS "Prototype" and the Diamana D+ 80-X shaft profiled almost identically (the D+ has a slightly stiffer lower mid-section and tip section, but only marginally so), and both of these shafts frequency at a FCM 6.5 to 6.6 butt frequency (within 0.7 CPM of each other).  The Paderson shaft has a slightly softer butt frequency at about FCM 6.2, but it is actually slightly stiffer in the tip and lower mid section.

In my opinion, the Kuro Kage TiNi Dual Core 60-TS "Prototype" that is the topic of discussion in this thread plays to about an X-flex by most acceptable shaft measurement standards, and the data that I collected on it shows it to be remarkably similar in flex and profile to Mitubishi's current Diamana D+ 80-X shaft.

I hope this information is useful to those of you who have been posting questions regarding flex and stiffness regarding this Kuro Kage shaft model.


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#32 dmael

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

View PostJI3, on 31 August 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

How's the feeling on this shaft?
And is this shaft tip heavy?  How would it pair with a heavy driver head like 206.5g?

PS - The reason for the increase in swingweight, (from D1.5 - D2 to D3) in my Epic driver with the Kuro Kage TiNi DC shaft in it is because I replaced the single 12g sliding weight that came in it with two 8g slider weights yesterday.  I also spread-out the two 8g weights to increase MOI in the driver.

Edited by dmael, 01 September 2017 - 10:39 AM.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:02 PM

Great to know! Thanks for the accurate and specific feedback!

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:06 PM

Yes, thanks for the detailed feedback. Will try the TS straight in at first, and report back how I feel.  Cheers!

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:21 PM

View Postbk12, on 21 March 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

I will say that if you look at the labels on the TM Dual Core 60 shafts, they have a totally different butt label.  I suspect that these TS shafts may be produced in Japan, while the ones with the other labels sold in OEM clubs are from elsewhere in Asia.  I would say it appears the same facility as the TX versions?

I have butt frequency tested one of these TS protos, and it flexes about 2/3 of the way (from a Stiff) toward an X-flex XT or Silver TiNi X shaft.

EXACTLY what I have found regarding the butt frequency on the TS Silver TiNi Dual Core!


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:10 PM

How's the feeling on this shaft?
And is this shaft tip heavy?  How would it pair with a heavy driver head like 206.5g?
Cobra King LTD Black 9.5° - Project X HZRDUS Yellow 45"
Cobra Bio Cell+ 13.5° - Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 43"
Cobra King F6 Baffler 17.5° - Project X HZRDUS Black 42"
Cobra Bio Cell 19° - Oban Kiyoshi Devotion / Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 40"
Callaway Apex UT 18° - Aerotech SteelFiber i95
Srixon Z745 4~PW - Nippon N.S.Pro Modus³ TOUR120
Titleist Vokey SM6 F Grind 50°/12°, SM6 F Grind 54°/14°, SM6 K Grind 60°/12° - Dynamic Gold
EVNROLL ER7 - 34"
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

Really tempted by this shaft. The overall thought on it that I'm getting from this thread is that it's

Mid launch
Mid/low spin
Flex between S and X

Can someone confirm?
-M1 10.5* Tour Green 65 S
-M1 15* RIP Phenom 80 S
-915HD 17.5* Oban Purple 100 S
-Fli-Hi 21* Steelfiber i95 S
-Apex Pro 16' 4-PW TI S400
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-Scotty Cameron Buttonback NP2 33"
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:38 AM

View PostJI3, on 31 August 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

How's the feeling on this shaft?
And is this shaft tip heavy?  How would it pair with a heavy driver head like 206.5g?

I love the feel of this shaft, but then I love the feel of ALL generations of the Kuro Kage Silver shafts, especially the TiNi and TiNi Dual Core models.  It feels fairly "firm", but not overly stiff, and certainly not "boardy".

The shaft is not especially tip-heavy.  In fact, I lost 2 to 2.5 swingweight points when I switched from the Paderson Kinetixx Kevlar 860TP shaft (74g) to this shaft at the same playing length, and I had to add 4g of weight to teh clubhead to get the swingweight back to what I consider a "normal" weight at D3.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

View Postdalton044, on 01 September 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Really tempted by this shaft. The overall thought on it that I'm getting from this thread is that it's

Mid launch
Mid/low spin
Flex between S and X

Can someone confirm?

I would say mid-low launch and mid-low to low spin.  It is definitely between S and X, but closer to X than S flex.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Postdmael, on 01 September 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

View Postdalton044, on 01 September 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Really tempted by this shaft. The overall thought on it that I'm getting from this thread is that it's

Mid launch
Mid/low spin
Flex between S and X

Can someone confirm?

I would say mid-low launch and mid-low to low spin.  It is definitely between S and X, but closer to X than S flex.
Thanks! That's what I was looking might have too give it a run at such a low price.

-M1 10.5* Tour Green 65 S
-M1 15* RIP Phenom 80 S
-915HD 17.5* Oban Purple 100 S
-Fli-Hi 21* Steelfiber i95 S
-Apex Pro 16' 4-PW TI S400
-MD3 52* & 58* Black Onyx TI S400
-Scotty Cameron Buttonback NP2 33"
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:41 PM

Thank you, dmael!
Your answers are peaking my interest to try this shaft!
Cobra King LTD Black 9.5° - Project X HZRDUS Yellow 45"
Cobra Bio Cell+ 13.5° - Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 43"
Cobra King F6 Baffler 17.5° - Project X HZRDUS Black 42"
Cobra Bio Cell 19° - Oban Kiyoshi Devotion / Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 40"
Callaway Apex UT 18° - Aerotech SteelFiber i95
Srixon Z745 4~PW - Nippon N.S.Pro Modus³ TOUR120
Titleist Vokey SM6 F Grind 50°/12°, SM6 F Grind 54°/14°, SM6 K Grind 60°/12° - Dynamic Gold
EVNROLL ER7 - 34"
Titleist Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 - 34"

Callaway Chrome Soft Truvis/ Bridgestone B330S
Titleist Lightweight Stand Bag

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

Got my TS60 on Wednesday, cut, prepped, and installed tip.  Cut to length, D1 Thursday.  Hit 6 drives off my 1st and 2nd holes Friday night.  

Put in bag today for round 1 of my club's championship.

Missed 1 fairway.  Smooth to load, can handle the power if I stepped on it a bit(I'm about 105 average), and damn easy to hit well.  Measured 1 drive (albeit slightly downhill) 289 yards, rain, wet landing.

69, clubhouse leader.  Thanks to this thread!

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:07 PM

Driver performed consistent on day 2 with this shaft, under pressure.  I didn't perform as well as the shaft though with my irons & short game!  Such is life.  Flight is higher than the original KK  X flex that came with my Nike Covert, but spin seems to be about the same, resulting in a bit more distance.  I've only played 2 tournament rounds with the shaft, so my focus wasn't really on length or measuring with a gps.  That being said, one drive I measured (and hit very well) did go 289, huge for me.  Easier to load and release while feeling the head versus the original KK.  The tip is almost a bit more flexible(which I'd hesitate to call more torque) but just as stable as a low torque tip stiff design.  Must be the tech in the tip section.  

I'm happy!

Edited by littledreamer, 12 September 2017 - 10:29 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 01:26 PM

What are folks driver head weights? I like my heads to be around 201g without adapter so the driver swingweight ends up being D4-D6 range

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:14 PM

The Cally Epic driver head that I have my KK Silver TiNi DC Tour S shaft installed in WAS 205g (with adapter), but I changed the sliding weight(s) to increase the total head weight, with adapter, to 209g.  Since I play my driver at slightly less than 45", which is about 3/4" shorter than Callaway's standard playing length for this driver, I needed the extra weight in the clubhead to get to a D3-D4 swingweight, which is what I prefer.


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