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Quick 2017 Pro V1 and Pro V1x Trackman Review


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#1 G-Bone

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:38 PM

Spent a little time on Trackman today with 2017 V1 and V1x (and 2015 V1x as my baseline), below is a short summary.

For comparison info, my swing speed averages 100mph with driver.

Driver:
V1 spun 150 more than V1x
V1 launched 1.5 degree lower than V1x (good for me)
V1 carried 1 yard shorter than V1x and total distance was 2 yards more with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

7 iron:
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched 1 degrees lower than V1x
V1 carried 7 yards SHORTER than V1x and total distance was 9 yards MORE with V1x (V1 was almost 8 yards shorter than 2015 V1x)
V1 ball speed was 2mph slower than V1x

50º Wedge
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched .8 degrees lower than V1x (both 500-800 higher than 2015 Pro V1x - not a positive for me)
V1 carried 2 yards shorter than V1x and total distance was 3 yards longer with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

Both felt good.  V1 was softer, but certainly not mushy.  V1x was firmer, but certainly not clicky. (2015 V1x was between the two, but closer to 2017 V1x)

I prefer ball flight and feel of V1 over V1x, however the mid iron performance of V1 greatly concerns me, I do not want to have to adjust my iron gapping.

I played 2015 V1x for two seasons, and this trackman session showed, for my swing, it is better than both of the two new offerings, but marginally.  That being said, I will be testing both 2017 offerings this weekend on the course.  My guess is unless V1 blows me away with green side spin (which I felt 2015 V1x lacked), I will stick with V1x for 2017, mainly because it is more familiar to me.  However, if I find V1 to be longer on course (vs. Trackman) with my irons, with increased green side spin, flipping to 2017 V1 will be a no brainer, for my game.

I plan to have made a decisions after six rounds in Naples this weekend, I will report back with my findings.

Edited by G-Bone, 14 February 2017 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:43 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 30 January 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

Spent a little time on Trackman today with 2017 V1 and V1x (and 2015 V1x as my baseline), below is a short summary.

For comparison info, my swing speed averages 100mph with driver.

Driver:
V1 spun 150 more than V1x
V1 launched 1.5 degree lower than V1x (good for me)
V1 carried 1 yard shorter than V1x and total distance was 2 yards more with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

7 iron:
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched 1 degrees lower than V1x
V1 carried 7 yards SHORTER than V1x and total distance was 9 yards MORE with V1x (V1 was almost 8 yards shorter than 2015 V1x)
V1 ball speed was 2mph slower than V1x

50º Wedge
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched .8 degrees lower than V1x (both 500-800 higher than 2015 Pro V1x - not a positive for me)
V1 carried 2 yards shorter than V1x and total distance was 3 yards longer with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

Both felt good.  V1 was softer, but certainly not mushy.  V1x was firmer, but certainly not clicky. (2015 V1x was between the two, but closer to 2017 V1x)

I prefer ball flight and feel of V1 over V1x, however the mid iron performance of V1 greatly concerns me, I do not want to have to adjust my iron gapping.

I played 2015 V1x for two seasons, and this trackman session showed, for my swing, it is better than both of the two new offerings, but marginally.  That being said, I will be testing both 2017 offerings this weekend on the course.  My guess is unless V1 blows me away with green side spin (which I felt 2015 V1x lacked), I will stick with V1x for 2017, mainly because it is more familiar to me.  However, if I find V1 to be longer on course (vs. Trackman) with my irons, with increased green side spin, flipping to 2017 V1 will be a no brainer, for my game.

I plan to have made a decisions after six rounds in Naples this weekend, I will report back with my findings.

Are you saying the 2017 V1 spins 150 more off the driver than the 2017V1x?

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:45 PM

View PostHoganHO, on 30 January 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

View PostG-Bone, on 30 January 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

Spent a little time on Trackman today with 2017 V1 and V1x (and 2015 V1x as my baseline), below is a short summary.

For comparison info, my swing speed averages 100mph with driver.

Driver:
V1 spun 150 more than V1x
V1 launched 1.5 degree lower than V1x (good for me)
V1 carried 1 yard shorter than V1x and total distance was 2 yards more with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

7 iron:
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched 1 degrees lower than V1x
V1 carried 7 yards SHORTER than V1x and total distance was 9 yards MORE with V1x (V1 was almost 8 yards shorter than 2015 V1x)
V1 ball speed was 2mph slower than V1x

50º Wedge
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched .8 degrees lower than V1x (both 500-800 higher than 2015 Pro V1x - not a positive for me)
V1 carried 2 yards shorter than V1x and total distance was 3 yards longer with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

Both felt good.  V1 was softer, but certainly not mushy.  V1x was firmer, but certainly not clicky. (2015 V1x was between the two, but closer to 2017 V1x)

I prefer ball flight and feel of V1 over V1x, however the mid iron performance of V1 greatly concerns me, I do not want to have to adjust my iron gapping.

I played 2015 V1x for two seasons, and this trackman session showed, for my swing, it is better than both of the two new offerings, but marginally.  That being said, I will be testing both 2017 offerings this weekend on the course.  My guess is unless V1 blows me away with green side spin (which I felt 2015 V1x lacked), I will stick with V1x for 2017, mainly because it is more familiar to me.  However, if I find V1 to be longer on course (vs. Trackman) with my irons, with increased green side spin, flipping to 2017 V1 will be a no brainer, for my game.

I plan to have made a decisions after six rounds in Naples this weekend, I will report back with my findings.

Are you saying the 2017 V1 spins 150 more off the driver than the 2017V1x?

Correct, for me, V1 spun about 150 mph more than V1x.  That was averages, I had individual shots that went both ways with spin numbers.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:57 AM

Thanks for the review. Its one of the cleanest and simplest to comprehend that I recall.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:17 AM

Thanks for the review.  There is a lot of confusion with the new release and you have cleared up some of it for me.  Thanks again.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:43 AM

Great review, thanks for sharing! Please post an update after your on-course testing

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:42 AM

I think Titleist really screwed themselves with the 2017 release. Unnecessary confusion.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:52 PM

Is it fair to summarize that UNLESS the 2017 V1x has better greenside spin than the 2015 V1x, there's little reason to upgrade from the 2015 to 2017 V1x?

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:04 PM

Cool info.

How many swings of data did you accumulate for each one?
Accounting for variation in strike, it's tough to glean much from the subtle differences in much of that.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:23 PM

View PostTheGriftKings, on 31 January 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

Is it fair to summarize that UNLESS the 2017 V1x has better greenside spin than the 2015 V1x, there's little reason to upgrade from the 2015 to 2017 V1x?

Yes, I would absolutely agree.  However, there is one caveat... Titleist claims 2017 Pro V's have an "enhanced dimple pattern," which enhances performance in crosswinds... Something that can't be measured on Trackman.  This is one thing I plan to pay close attention to while playing the new balls this weekend.

I will be switching to one of the 2017 models regardless, however.  The reason is I order many dozen at a time with my logo on it, therefore I have no choice but to switch once my current surplus of 2015 V1x goes dry.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:29 PM

View PostMattyTeaks, on 31 January 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

Cool info.

How many swings of data did you accumulate for each one?
Accounting for variation in strike, it's tough to glean much from the subtle differences in much of that.


Each average was based on approximately 5-7 "good" shots per ball/club.

I agree, however... a very unscientific test indeed.  More about fun and a few benchmarks to share with my friends here.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:18 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 31 January 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostTheGriftKings, on 31 January 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

Is it fair to summarize that UNLESS the 2017 V1x has better greenside spin than the 2015 V1x, there's little reason to upgrade from the 2015 to 2017 V1x?

Yes, I would absolutely agree.  However, there is one caveat... Titleist claims 2017 Pro V's have an "enhanced dimple pattern," which enhances performance in crosswinds... Something that can't be measured on Trackman.  This is one thing I plan to pay close attention to while playing the new balls this weekend.

I will be switching to one of the 2017 models regardless, however.  The reason is I order many dozen at a time with my logo on it, therefore I have no choice but to switch once my current surplus of 2015 V1x goes dry.

What if the B330(S), or the 2017 Z-Star(XV) would be a better fit for you?

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

Great question!

On several occasion I have tried various generations of B330, we never seem to get along.  Most often the B330 is great for my long game and B330S is great for my short game, but can never seem to find a happy medium.  

However, Srixon Z-Star XV is another story.  I have played and enjoyed this ball several versions back.

I have a couple dozen 2017 "Test" XV's in route.  Once I come to my final choice on the best ProV for my game, I will then pit it against the 2017 XV to get my 2017 "big winner!"

I didn't mention the XV in my initial post simply because I was sharing my Trackman data for those that may be slightly confused with 2017 V1 launch, and wasn't really posting about my overall ball testing process and candidates.

Thank you for you your question and suggestions... Truly appreciate your feedback.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:50 PM

I've stocked up in the 15 v1x , everything about the ball is perfect , don't want to try anything new , especially if it spins less off wedges
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:51 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 31 January 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

Great question!

On several occasion I have tried various generations of B330, we never seem to get along.  Most often the B330 is great for my long game and B330S is great for my short game, but can never seem to find a happy medium.  

However, Srixon Z-Star XV is another story.  I have played and enjoyed this ball several versions back.

I have a couple dozen 2017 "Test" XV's in route.  Once I come to my final choice on the best ProV for my game, I will then pit it against the 2017 XV to get my 2017 "big winner!"

I didn't mention the XV in my initial post simply because I was sharing my Trackman data for those that may be slightly confused with 2017 V1 launch, and wasn't really posting about my overall ball testing process and candidates.

Thank you for you your question and suggestions... Truly appreciate your feedback.

Thank you very much for being open minded - that is not that often!

I was triggered for a response, because you mentioned the new dimple pattern (for better aerodynamics)...

...therefore the hint to the B330(S) (which is in my opinion class leading in aerodynamics - only the TM TP(X) are pretty close), and the new Z-Star(XV),
which seems to have an considerable improvement in this regard, over the previous generation which was not really bad in regard of aerodynamics.

I´m looking forward to your comparison - cheers!


P.S.:

I went away from the idea, that the Titleist balls could be the best, after I tested them against other balls in crosswinds...

Edited by Uhit, 31 January 2017 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 04:23 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 31 January 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostTheGriftKings, on 31 January 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

Is it fair to summarize that UNLESS the 2017 V1x has better greenside spin than the 2015 V1x, there's little reason to upgrade from the 2015 to 2017 V1x?

Yes, I would absolutely agree.  However, there is one caveat... Titleist claims 2017 Pro V's have an "enhanced dimple pattern," which enhances performance in crosswinds... Something that can't be measured on Trackman.  This is one thing I plan to pay close attention to while playing the new balls this weekend.

I will be switching to one of the 2017 models regardless, however.  The reason is I order many dozen at a time with my logo on it, therefore I have no choice but to switch once my current surplus of 2015 V1x goes dry.

Thanks - for the rest of us without the logo problem, I think we'll be following your results closely as it relates to the greenside spin observation then, because the 2015 V1X seems pretty interchangeable otherwise.

Looking forward to your response!

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:57 PM

My understanding from my own testing, and others I trust, that the new V1's strength is feel and performance in the wind. It is softer, and does not balloon. As you know the trackman is great but doesn't show you how it really flies. Can't wait to hear your results outside ....

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:38 PM

I did a little testing myself this afternoon, although I didn't have the luxury of a Trackman for real numbers.  I traditionally play a ProV1x, have a driver swing speed around 105-110mph, and play to a 15, although it's been dropping and is probably a little hard by playing a links style course that is not forgiving if you're outside the first cut of rough.  

It was 55* and sunny here today so I decided to get out on the course with a sleeve of new ProV1s, new ProV1xs, ChromeSofts, and new ChromeSoftXs.  I started on the putting green and all felt pretty similar to me on the putting green.  There's a slight difference in feel between the Titleists but it's not that one is bad.  Same way with the Callaways.  

Next I went to the chipping green and hit two of each of the four balls in a variety of pitch and chip shots.  No two golf swings are the same, but I felt like the ProV1x and the ChromeSoftX checked up the best around the green.  ProV1 wasn't far behind.  Around the practice green, I liked these three better than the ChromeSoft.

Then I went out to the course and got 16 holes in before it got dark.  I didn't really have a scientific approach to my testing and sometimes hit two of the same ball, sometimes hit two different balls off the tee, sometimes dropped a second, different ball next to my ball to hit two approach shots, etc.  Again, I think that I liked the ProV1x and ChromeSoftX the best, but all four worked for me.  I think the ProV1x is slightly longer than the ProV1, although the gap is probably closer than in 2015.  But I'm used to the ProV1x and know my distances with it.

I did have one memorable shot where I hit the regular ChromeSoft from 110 with my 50* Vokey and the ball landed right next to the pin and spun back at least ten yards to the front of the green.  So the ChromeSoft also had plenty of spin around the green.

I think that the Titleist balls may be closer to each other than they were with the 2015 balls, but I think I liked the ChromeSoftX better than the regular ChromeSoft.  I'm going to try to play again tomorrow afternoon, but long story short, I am not sure if I'm good enough of a player to really tell the differences between the two Titleists and the ChromeSoftX with my January swing when it's 55*.  My playing partner was scratch golfer and he's a diehard Callaway guy and plans to play the ChromeSoftX this year, but he also really liked both Titleists and didn't think they were drastically different.  

Long story short, I think all four are great balls.  If Titleist runs another special this spring where it's buy 3, get 1 free, I'll probably load up on ProV1xs.  If they are full price and the Callaways are $10 cheaper per dozen, I'll probably get the ChromeSoftX.  I just don't think you can go wrong with any of these.

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 08:54 AM

View PostMorety, on 31 January 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

I did a little testing myself this afternoon, although I didn't have the luxury of a Trackman for real numbers.  I traditionally play a ProV1x, have a driver swing speed around 105-110mph, and play to a 15, although it's been dropping and is probably a little hard by playing a links style course that is not forgiving if you're outside the first cut of rough.  

It was 55* and sunny here today so I decided to get out on the course with a sleeve of new ProV1s, new ProV1xs, ChromeSofts, and new ChromeSoftXs.  I started on the putting green and all felt pretty similar to me on the putting green.  There's a slight difference in feel between the Titleists but it's not that one is bad.  Same way with the Callaways.  

Next I went to the chipping green and hit two of each of the four balls in a variety of pitch and chip shots.  No two golf swings are the same, but I felt like the ProV1x and the ChromeSoftX checked up the best around the green.  ProV1 wasn't far behind.  Around the practice green, I liked these three better than the ChromeSoft.

Then I went out to the course and got 16 holes in before it got dark.  I didn't really have a scientific approach to my testing and sometimes hit two of the same ball, sometimes hit two different balls off the tee, sometimes dropped a second, different ball next to my ball to hit two approach shots, etc.  Again, I think that I liked the ProV1x and ChromeSoftX the best, but all four worked for me.  I think the ProV1x is slightly longer than the ProV1, although the gap is probably closer than in 2015.  But I'm used to the ProV1x and know my distances with it.

I did have one memorable shot where I hit the regular ChromeSoft from 110 with my 50* Vokey and the ball landed right next to the pin and spun back at least ten yards to the front of the green.  So the ChromeSoft also had plenty of spin around the green.

I think that the Titleist balls may be closer to each other than they were with the 2015 balls, but I think I liked the ChromeSoftX better than the regular ChromeSoft.  I'm going to try to play again tomorrow afternoon, but long story short, I am not sure if I'm good enough of a player to really tell the differences between the two Titleists and the ChromeSoftX with my January swing when it's 55*.  My playing partner was scratch golfer and he's a diehard Callaway guy and plans to play the ChromeSoftX this year, but he also really liked both Titleists and didn't think they were drastically different.  

Long story short, I think all four are great balls.  If Titleist runs another special this spring where it's buy 3, get 1 free, I'll probably load up on ProV1xs.  If they are full price and the Callaways are $10 cheaper per dozen, I'll probably get the ChromeSoftX.  I just don't think you can go wrong with any of these.
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:53 AM

View Postjwb10, on 31 January 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

My understanding from my own testing, and others I trust, that the new V1's strength is feel and performance in the wind. It is softer, and does not balloon. As you know the trackman is great but doesn't show you how it really flies. Can't wait to hear your results outside ....

As I am a little nuts... I do all my testing on Trackman outside as well.  Yes, I did blast several dozen brand new V1's into an open range... all for the sake of science!

So, I have had a chance to see and study actual ball flight.

That being said, I agree with you... on course results will be exciting!

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 02:05 PM

I am so impressed by the above post that G Bone is clearly WRX forum member of the decade!

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 02:13 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 01 February 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:


all for the sake of science!


Well done! :superman2:

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 10:55 AM

This is one of the best reviews I've ever read on this site...and I've been here a while. Thanks!

There are a lot of good balls coming out for 2017. Can't wait to do some testing of  my own.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 07:35 AM

View PostG-Bone, on 01 February 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View Postjwb10, on 31 January 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

My understanding from my own testing, and others I trust, that the new V1's strength is feel and performance in the wind. It is softer, and does not balloon. As you know the trackman is great but doesn't show you how it really flies. Can't wait to hear your results outside ....

As I am a little nuts... I do all my testing on Trackman outside as well.  Yes, I did blast several dozen brand new V1's into an open range... all for the sake of science!

So, I have had a chance to see and study actual ball flight.

That being said, I agree with you... on course results will be exciting!
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 07:43 AM

Looking forward to the CSX, I used the 2016 CS last year (until the K-Sig showed up), so I can't wait to get my hand on them...

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 03:24 PM

View Postlaxbc101, on 01 February 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

View PostMorety, on 31 January 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

I did a little testing myself this afternoon, although I didn't have the luxury of a Trackman for real numbers.  I traditionally play a ProV1x, have a driver swing speed around 105-110mph, and play to a 15, although it's been dropping and is probably a little hard by playing a links style course that is not forgiving if you're outside the first cut of rough.  

It was 55* and sunny here today so I decided to get out on the course with a sleeve of new ProV1s, new ProV1xs, ChromeSofts, and new ChromeSoftXs.  I started on the putting green and all felt pretty similar to me on the putting green.  There's a slight difference in feel between the Titleists but it's not that one is bad.  Same way with the Callaways.  

Next I went to the chipping green and hit two of each of the four balls in a variety of pitch and chip shots.  No two golf swings are the same, but I felt like the ProV1x and the ChromeSoftX checked up the best around the green.  ProV1 wasn't far behind.  Around the practice green, I liked these three better than the ChromeSoft.

Then I went out to the course and got 16 holes in before it got dark.  I didn't really have a scientific approach to my testing and sometimes hit two of the same ball, sometimes hit two different balls off the tee, sometimes dropped a second, different ball next to my ball to hit two approach shots, etc.  Again, I think that I liked the ProV1x and ChromeSoftX the best, but all four worked for me.  I think the ProV1x is slightly longer than the ProV1, although the gap is probably closer than in 2015.  But I'm used to the ProV1x and know my distances with it.

I did have one memorable shot where I hit the regular ChromeSoft from 110 with my 50* Vokey and the ball landed right next to the pin and spun back at least ten yards to the front of the green.  So the ChromeSoft also had plenty of spin around the green.

I think that the Titleist balls may be closer to each other than they were with the 2015 balls, but I think I liked the ChromeSoftX better than the regular ChromeSoft.  I'm going to try to play again tomorrow afternoon, but long story short, I am not sure if I'm good enough of a player to really tell the differences between the two Titleists and the ChromeSoftX with my January swing when it's 55*.  My playing partner was scratch golfer and he's a diehard Callaway guy and plans to play the ChromeSoftX this year, but he also really liked both Titleists and didn't think they were drastically different.  

Long story short, I think all four are great balls.  If Titleist runs another special this spring where it's buy 3, get 1 free, I'll probably load up on ProV1xs.  If they are full price and the Callaways are $10 cheaper per dozen, I'll probably get the ChromeSoftX.  I just don't think you can go wrong with any of these.
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:42 PM

Friends,

I wanted to quickly check in and share a few thoughts with you about my 2017 Pro V / V1x testing so far.


47 holes in the books and here are my "midway" observations:
  • 2017 Pro V1 is closer to 2015 Pro V1x, and 2017 Pro V1x is all together a different animal.  A bit shocking after the stats from Trackman, but I guess this is why the golf course is always the final judge and jury.
  • Performance of 2017 V1, closely matches 2015 V1x in most categories other than green side spin (It is also softer off every club).  From what I've seen so far, 2017 V1 is superior to 2015 V1x and 2017 V1x in this category.
  • I am not seeing the distance loss with with my mid irons with 2017 V1 (when compared to 2015 and 2017 V1x) on course that I was seeing on Trackman... This makes me very happy.
  • 2017 V1x is firmer off every club when compared to 2015 V1x (its minor, but it's there), except putter; 2017 is actually a touch softer.
  • I don't care what Titleist claims, they have changed more than just the dimple pattern on 2017 V1x when compared to 2015 V1x.  As I mentioned, It plays like a different ball when comparing to 2015 V1x - feel, spin, launch angle... everything.  Again, in my opinion, 2017 V1 is much closer.
Now that I've said all of this, here is the caveat - At the moment, I believe I could game either 2017 V1 model and be happy... They are closer in performance then the two 2015 V1 models were.  Both are very good, and it will be more difficult than I anticipated to pick a winner.

More testing and updates to follow.  But if a decision had to me made right now, gun to my head, I would game 2017 V1, for me it's a closer kin to 2015 V1x then I expected.  Plus, it feels fabulous.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 08:53 AM

View PostG-Bone, on 03 February 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

Friends,

I wanted to quickly check in and share a few thoughts with you about my 2017 Pro V / V1x testing so far.


47 holes in the books and here are my "midway" observations:
  • 2017 Pro V1 is closer to 2015 Pro V1x, and 2017 Pro V1x is all together a different animal.  A bit shocking after the stats from Trackman, but I guess this is why the golf course is always the final judge and jury.
  • Performance of 2017 V1, closely matches 2015 V1x in most categories other than green side spin (It is also softer off every club).  From what I've seen so far, 2017 V1 is superior to 2015 V1x and 2017 V1x in this category.
  • I am not seeing the distance loss with with my mid irons with 2017 V1 (when compared to 2015 and 2017 V1x) on course that I was seeing on Trackman... This makes me very happy.
  • 2017 V1x is firmer off every club when compared to 2015 V1x (its minor, but it's there), except putter; 2017 is actually a touch softer.
  • I don't care what Titleist claims, they have changed more than just the dimple pattern on 2017 V1x when compared to 2015 V1x.  As I mentioned, It plays like a different ball when comparing to 2015 V1x - feel, spin, launch angle... everything.  Again, in my opinion, 2017 V1 is much closer.
Now that I've said all of this, here is the caveat - At the moment, I believe I could game either 2017 V1 model and be happy... They are closer in performance then the two 2015 V1 models were.  Both are very good, and it will be more difficult than I anticipated to pick a winner.

More testing and updates to follow.  But if a decision had to me made right now, gun to my head, I would game 2017 V1, for me it's a closer kin to 2015 V1x then I expected.  Plus, it feels fabulous.
  This is exactly what I saw on the course with the proto. THIS IS GOOD STUFF, THX.  BTW, where is that range where you did the outdoors Trackman testing. I'll bring my shag bag... :taunt: :golfer:

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 11:29 AM

Hello WRXers.

This is my first post on here, so play nice! But, as I'm currently ball testing right now to get ready for my upcoming season, I felt that this would be a good topic to chime in on. (Full disclosure: I will be gaming some form of ProV for the 2017 season.)

I have been playing each version of the ProVx since they released the golf ball. I had always preferred it to the ProV, as I always felt that the ProV spun too much, as I'm naturally a high spin player.

My rep encouraged my the try to the new ProV, as he claims it was "drastically different" than previous generations. He sent me a couple boxes of each so I dug in.

Played 18 yesterday at the little 9-hole golf course I run, shot 3-under 67, and played 9 holes each with the ProV and ProVx. Here's what I found:

The ProV immediately to me feels much softer than any version of the X I've ever played around the greens. It's a little bit off-putting at first, but the more you hit it, you get used to it. Off full swings, it feels ever so slightly softer, but the difference to me there is negligible. Here's what I like about the ProV - I can drive my iron shots in much lower, but still retain the spin that I'd like in order to control the ball once it lands on the greens. On woods off the tee, the landing angle is much flatter than with X, and I can count on getting a decent bit of roll once summer shows up and everything starts to firm up. As a high-spin player, I've been looking for ways to lower my spin off the tee to take advantage of firmer conditions, and I'm very excited about the prospect of doing that just by switching golf balls.

The ProVx is Old Faithful. Takes off high, goes forever, and stops where it lands. It's as consistent as it's ever been, and still retains the smooth 'click' off the putter that I've grown to love over the past 10 years.

Here's what might get me - the ProV around the greens to this point is far and away the better performing ball for how I like to play. I prefer to drive shots in lower with spin as opposed to controlling shots with trajectory. So far, the ProV has done everything I've asked around the greens and then some. The softer feel is going to take a lot to get used to though, and is one of the main determining factors as to whether or not I switch from the ProVx to the ProV.

I've got to take them to a bigger ballpark to try them out, as my course is only 5,600 yards when played twice from the back tee. Depending on what I see once I get to a larger course, I'm giving strong consideration to switching to the ProV, primarily because of improved performance around the greens.

I would encourage all of you that are debating ball switches for the 2017 season, start from inside 50 yards, experiment there HEAVILY, and then take it further out. Think about the shots you like to play at your home course, what you're confident in doing, and play the ball that best plays to those strengths. And then go visit your local PGA Professional for some lessons as to improve those weaknesses! :derisive:

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 11:33 AM

Great info and update.

I'm gonna play with the 2017 ProV1 this week (currently a 2015 V1x player).
Will try to post my impressions here.


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