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2017 Titleist Pro V1 and Pro V1x


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 04:54 PM

View PostHoganHO, on 26 January 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

View Postgsbecker, on 26 January 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

I wonder how the new Pro V1 would compare to Chromesoft ? They both sound very similar. Can't wait to compare!

The new ProV1 sounds similar to the Chromesoft X in that it is lower flight and has a 90 compression. But, the Cs-X is said to be a "higher-spin" ball.

Gonna be fun doing some testing

The two balls will likely feel very similar, yes.  The reason CS-X is being billed as a higher spin ball is that it will spin more than the "red box" Chrome Soft off of shorter clubs.  My main complaint with the Chrome Soft was that it tended to generate random hot flyers even from clean lies with full short iron and wedge shots because the core was actually TOO SOFT.  The higher compression of the CS-X should mitigate that.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:05 PM

So it sounds like the real news for Titleist fans is that the 2015 V1x might be had for a lower price.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 06:47 AM

View Postplaya, on 26 January 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

So it sounds like the real news for Titleist fans is that the 2015 V1x might be had for a lower price.

If I played Titleist that is certainly the message I'd hear loud and clear.

It seems to me the last time ProV1x change enough to matter was when the 2013 version came out. Lot of Titleist guys told me it was very different in feel and trajectory than the 2011 and earlier. But the 2015 and 2017 are very incremental compared to that 2013 by all accounts.
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Posted 27 January 2017 - 08:51 AM

sounds like I'll be buying last year's ProV1x for the sale price until the TP5x comes out

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 08:54 AM

Having tested these balls when Titleist sent me a sleeve of each, yes the new proV1 is low spinning now. I am freakin loving it. Low spin off driver, nice feel and still amazing short game speed.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 09:09 AM

I see what Titleist is trying to do.  They're trying to make the V1 the more popular ball, which may have always been the case for the amateur, but not always the case for the tour players.  You want more people to play your flagship product, the V1 in this case.  I think it's smart and makes sense but the timing might be too late.  They should have done this years ago.  Now with the current climate in the golf industry, especially in the ball category, customer confusion is going to add to an already uphill battle.  But hey, it's Wally's world.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 01:42 PM

I got a test sleeve of the new V1. Am currently playing the Z Star XV. First hole in play with the V1 , wedge into the green and fish scales. Immediately went back to the XV, hit two paths and a tree and the ball looked brand new after the round. And yes finished with the same XV I went to on 2. So cant say if the V1 is any different than before. Always been a V1x player.
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Posted 27 January 2017 - 08:16 PM

Bought a dozen new ProV1s and ProV1Xs today and got four free Chrome Soft Xs from the Callaway rep.  Ready for the next warm day to go out and test them all out on the course.
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Posted 28 January 2017 - 09:36 AM

when are these supposed to be on shelves?   I saw them for sale yesterday and resisted.. have a stockpile of the soon tobe old prov1X and dont want to swap just yet ... just wondered if my shop had them out early .
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Posted 28 January 2017 - 11:04 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 28 January 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

when are these supposed to be on shelves?   I saw them for sale yesterday and resisted.. have a stockpile of the soon tobe old prov1X and dont want to swap just yet ... just wondered if my shop had them out early .

They are on the shelves...

I picked up a sleeve of the ProV1--great feel (as usual) off the putter. Liked the roll better than the new Chrome Soft-X


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Posted 28 January 2017 - 02:49 PM

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Posted 29 January 2017 - 02:11 PM

I did a small trackman session with these balls where I only hit driver. The ProV1 spun noticeably less than the ProV1x.  The X is basically the same ball, they just made the ProV1 lesser spinning.
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Posted 29 January 2017 - 07:21 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 29 January 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

I did a small trackman session with these balls where I only hit driver. The ProV1 spun noticeably less than the ProV1x.  The X is basically the same ball, they just made the ProV1 lesser spinning.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 09:00 AM

does anyone know when they will do the buy 3 dz get 1dz free, with custom printing promo again?
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Posted 30 January 2017 - 10:04 AM

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does anyone know when they will do the buy 3 dz get 1dz free, with custom printing promo again?

last year i got the email from Titleist on March 17th.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 04:59 PM

Spent a little time on Trackman today with 2017 V1 and V1x (and 2015 V1x as my baseline), below is a short summary.

Driver:
V1 spun 150 more than V1x
V1 launched 1.5 degree lower than V1x (good for me)
V1 carried 1 yard shorter than V1x and total distance was 2 yards more with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

7 iron:
V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched 1 degrees lower than V1x
V1 carried 7 yards SHORTER than V1x and total distance was 9 yards MORE with V1x (V1 was almost 8 yards shorter than 2015 V1x)
V1 ball speed was 2mph slower than V1x

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V1 spun 200 less than V1x
V1 launched .8 degrees lower than V1x (both 500-800 higher than 2015 Pro V1x - not a positive for me)
V1 carried 2 yards shorter than V1x and total distance was 3 yards longer with V1x
Ball speed was almost identical

Both felt good.  V1 was softer, but certainly not mushy.  V1x was firmer, but certainly not clicky. (2015 V1x was between the two, but closer to 2017 V1x)

I prefer ball flight and feel of V1 over V1x, however the mid iron performance of V1 greatly concerns me, I do not want to have to adjust my iron gapping.

I played 2015 V1x for two seasons, and this trackman session showed, for my swing, it is better than both of the two new offerings, but marginally.  That being said, I will be testing both 2017 offerings this weekend on the course.  My guess is unless V1 blows me away with green side spin (which I felt 2015 V1x lacked), I will stick with V1x for 2017, mainly because it is more familiar to me.  However, if I find V1 to be longer on course (vs. Trackman) with my irons, with increased green side spin, flipping to 2017 V1 will be a no brainer, for my game.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 04:50 PM

I picks up a sleeve of V1's and x's, I've always played V1 from the first version. I still don't like the X, I prefer the red number (very sad I know) but that's it. The cromesoft is interesting, bit soft when putting but the rest is really good. More testing to be done.
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Posted 04 February 2017 - 06:57 PM

View PostBye7887, on 04 February 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

I picks up a sleeve of V1's and x's, I've always played V1 from the first version. I still don't like the X, I prefer the red number (very sad I know) but that's it. The cromesoft is interesting, bit soft when putting but the rest is really good. More testing to be done.

Personally I feel the V1X may be slightly harder than the last version.  The V1 feels awesome, but it is about the same as the B330 for me.  I have also played the Chrome X and for me it was a good ball, flew as good as anything but for the way I seem to hit the ball it was very easy to shread the cover on them.  New ProV's (both) are better for durability for me than the Chrome X,  but not close to the B330 and B330s.  Again, it is most likely just how I hit em.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 07:07 PM

12 bucks a sleeve before tax?

I can buy two sleeves of Gamers AND a cocktail for that.  


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:42 AM

View Postsleded, on 04 February 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

View PostBye7887, on 04 February 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

I picks up a sleeve of V1's and x's, I've always played V1 from the first version. I still don't like the X, I prefer the red number (very sad I know) but that's it. The cromesoft is interesting, bit soft when putting but the rest is really good. More testing to be done.

Personally I feel the V1X may be slightly harder than the last version.  The V1 feels awesome, but it is about the same as the B330 for me.  I have also played the Chrome X and for me it was a good ball, flew as good as anything but for the way I seem to hit the ball it was very easy to shread the cover on them.  New ProV's (both) are better for durability for me than the Chrome X,  but not close to the B330 and B330s.  Again, it is most likely just how I hit em.

It's defiantly a bit more clicky (the x) especially putting. Someone mentioned to me that the Chromsofts are not that durable, but the performance was good enough to try them again.

Not many shops stock Bridgestone, this may change now with their new sponsored player. It's a good shout though, I will try some if I can get hold of them.

The new v1 is noticeably better than the previous model and suits the way I like to play. It's the first time in a long time that there is a bit of competition with the ball.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 07:26 PM

Ok, I just played 18 with the new Pro V1, and here's my review.

Price: Ebay had a $15-off-$100 coupon last week, and someone was selling two boxes of 2017 Pro V1s, so I decided to go for it. I normally don't buy golf balls on Ebay due to fake concerns, but since the product was just released, I reasoned that the fakers haven't yet done their dirty deeds, and it was a safe buy. Everything looked legit in my order, so I'm pretty sure I got real balls. Price was $85 for two boxes shipped, which seems reasonable. BUT most people don't buy these on Ebay... most people pay $47 + tax for a box... that would come to $50+ per box here in CA. Pretty much the most expensive balls you can buy. SCORE: 3/5 stars for me, 1/5 stars for retail price.

Look: They look just like the 2015 / 2016 golf balls. In fact, I first question whether I was sent the old balls by mistake... nope, there is a small difference in the ball alignment pattern. Such a tiny difference that I didn't even notice. Why not change things a bit to make it clear this is a new ball? SCORE: 3/5 - classic look, but please add some more obvious differentiation so I know my 2017 is a 2017.

Performance: Wet conditions, but the ball played well, ended up shooting 93 on a par 72. I hadn't played in 1+ month and threw away a bunch of strokes in my short game + putting. Later my putter got hot and I finished the round bird-par-bogey-par. One hole I was hitting out of a greenside bunker onto an uphill green with the flag at the back. I took less sand than normal to get more fly, and I hit what I thought was a good shot, covering most of the distance to the hole... then my ball rolled back down the hill! I hadn't accounted for the spin, my KSig wouldn't have spun back there in a million years. Oh well, user error. Anyway, these are great spinning balls, and they seem slightly longer than the old Pro V1s, but it's hard to tell in the wet / slightly cold weather. SCORE: 5/5.

OVERALL: Great ball if you don't care about cost. 4.5 / 5 STARS and "OFFICIAL RECOMMENDED BALL" by TW FOCUS. This will be my ball for 2017.

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 11:59 AM

View Posttw_focus, on 05 February 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Ok, I just played 18 with the new Pro V1, and here's my review.

Price: Ebay had a $15-off-$100 coupon last week, and someone was selling two boxes of 2017 Pro V1s, so I decided to go for it. I normally don't buy golf balls on Ebay due to fake concerns, but since the product was just released, I reasoned that the fakers haven't yet done their dirty deeds, and it was a safe buy. Everything looked legit in my order, so I'm pretty sure I got real balls. Price was $85 for two boxes shipped, which seems reasonable. BUT most people don't buy these on Ebay... most people pay $47 + tax for a box... that would come to $50+ per box here in CA. Pretty much the most expensive balls you can buy. SCORE: 3/5 stars for me, 1/5 stars for retail price.

Look: They look just like the 2015 / 2016 golf balls. In fact, I first question whether I was sent the old balls by mistake... nope, there is a small difference in the ball alignment pattern. Such a tiny difference that I didn't even notice. Why not change things a bit to make it clear this is a new ball? SCORE: 3/5 - classic look, but please add some more obvious differentiation so I know my 2017 is a 2017.

Performance: Wet conditions, but the ball played well, ended up shooting 93 on a par 72. I hadn't played in 1+ month and threw away a bunch of strokes in my short game + putting. Later my putter got hot and I finished the round bird-par-bogey-par. One hole I was hitting out of a greenside bunker onto an uphill green with the flag at the back. I took less sand than normal to get more fly, and I hit what I thought was a good shot, covering most of the distance to the hole... then my ball rolled back down the hill! I hadn't accounted for the spin, my KSig wouldn't have spun back there in a million years. Oh well, user error. Anyway, these are great spinning balls, and they seem slightly longer than the old Pro V1s, but it's hard to tell in the wet / slightly cold weather. SCORE: 5/5.

OVERALL: Great ball if you don't care about cost. 4.5 / 5 STARS and "OFFICIAL RECOMMENDED BALL" by TW FOCUS. This will be my ball for 2017.

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.
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Posted 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM

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Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.
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Posted 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

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#56 bcflyguy1

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

Was that on Trackman or something similar?  If so, that's very interesting and further proof that there's no substitute for test driving instead of relying on product descriptions.
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#57 Lord Helmet

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

Was that on Trackman or something similar?  If so, that's very interesting and further proof that there's no substitute for test driving instead of relying on product descriptions.

Yeah trackman.  I was playing the v1 as I prefer the feel, but the 1x performed better for me with the mid irons. I do not recall the specifics unfortunately.

I just read this thread.  I'm thoroughly confused on what I should be using in 2017.  I'm out of my supply of 2015 1x.

Edited by Lord Helmet, 06 February 2017 - 04:44 PM.

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718 AP2 50* - Project X 5.5
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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:55 PM

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

Was that on Trackman or something similar?  If so, that's very interesting and further proof that there's no substitute for test driving instead of relying on product descriptions.

Yeah trackman.  I was playing the v1 as I prefer the feel, but the 1x performed better for me with the mid irons. I do not recall the specifics unfortunately.

I just read this thread.  I'm thoroughly confused on what I should be using in 2017.  I'm out of my supply of 2015 1x.

The link below is to a review I did, and am still adding to.  Also, several others have posted with their experience when comparing 2017 Pro V models... perhaps it can shed some light.

http://www.golfwrx.c...rackman-review/
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 06:08 AM

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

Was that on Trackman or something similar?  If so, that's very interesting and further proof that there's no substitute for test driving instead of relying on product descriptions.

Yeah trackman.  I was playing the v1 as I prefer the feel, but the 1x performed better for me with the mid irons. I do not recall the specifics unfortunately.

I just read this thread.  I'm thoroughly confused on what I should be using in 2017.  I'm out of my supply of 2015 1x.


Titleist have not really helped with their marketing in terms of which ball to play, they even say for everyone to try both. It's strange really because the difference between the 2 balls in bigger than ever IMO. The V1 is a lot softer and flies noticeably lower, especially with driver and knockdown wedge shots. I always found the old X to go further, they do seem closer now. I think you will notice a difference in performance between the 2 balls and if that's what you are looking for then I think you will find that you will stick with the X.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 08:44 AM

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

View Postbcflyguy1, on 06 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostLord Helmet, on 06 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ok, can someone summarize this for me?  I play the 2015 1x.  Love it.  Love everything about it.  Safe to say the logical move is to the 2017 1x?  Thanks.

Yes, unless any of the following is true:

1. You were playing V1X purely for the extra length it was supposed to offer.
2. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower spinning ball.
3. You were playing V1X because you thought it was the lower flying ball.

There are a few guys at my club that play V1x exclusively, and they were ALL up in arms and confused after seeing commercials for the '17 versions of the ball.  They all were playing the X because they thought it was longer, less spin, and lower flight.  Spent most of the time after our Friday game explaining that they may need to switch to the V1 to actually get the benefits they thought they were getting from the X ball.

Regarding #2.  My mid irons is where I saw lower spin rates with the 1x.

Was that on Trackman or something similar?  If so, that's very interesting and further proof that there's no substitute for test driving instead of relying on product descriptions.

Yeah trackman.  I was playing the v1 as I prefer the feel, but the 1x performed better for me with the mid irons. I do not recall the specifics unfortunately.

I just read this thread.  I'm thoroughly confused on what I should be using in 2017.  I'm out of my supply of 2015 1x.
Just stock up on the 2015 X. They're $39.99 everywhere and it doesn't sound like the new X is much different than 2015 (unlike the V)


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