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2017 Titleist Pro V1 and Pro V1x


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#1 snagy2000

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:16 AM

http://www.golfwrx.c...tance-question/

All this and a nice price increase as well.


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#2 larciel

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:56 AM

It was always $47.99 MSRP.

Shiny new box. They say nothing changed on the inside of 1x .. I'm buying 2016 version.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 11:14 AM

Are these on sale starting today? Where can I grab a box?

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 01:32 PM

I need to be educated.  I've always understood the prov1x has the firmer  and lower spinning ball/ flight ball. Sounds like the have reversed this but maintain softer feel in prov ?   So the prov1x is now the lower spinning ,flight ball but softer with more spinning around greens , correct?

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:02 PM

According to titleist.co.uk the normal V1 is softer, mid flight and lower spinning than the v1x. I thought the standard V1 was always the higher spinning ball

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

 BigLeftyinAZ, on 25 January 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

I need to be educated.  I've always understood the prov1x has the firmer  and lower spinning ball/ flight ball. Sounds like the have reversed this but maintain softer feel in prov ?   So the prov1x is now the lower spinning ,flight ball but softer with more spinning around greens , correct?

No. According to Titleist, the '17 ProV1x will launch higher and spin more than the '17 ProV1. Though the X will feel firmer, because it has a higher compression than the V1.

I don't blame you for the confusion though. Titleist has been changing the launch and spin characteristics for X for the past few generations. Hard to keep track. The first generations did launch and spin lower. Then, it was higher launch, but less spin. Now, its high launch and more spin. All in comparison to the ProV1.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:09 PM

Yeah, v1 is now less spin. It used to be more spin with longer clubs, but less spin with wedges compared to v1x. It's also always (edit, recent additions, not always) been the lower trajectory of the two.

I've always preferred the v1, but I don't like that it is now less spinny with long approach shots. Hopefully it won't be a drastic change. Might just be in my head, but I felt like I struggled to compress the v1x enough with the irons to get the most out of it.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:20 PM

Well crap, I always played the V because I needed the extra spin. I always do the 4/3 with free customization deal during Masters' week. Am I going to have to commit to the X un-tested? I did get a sleeve of the Proto V1s at the end of the season in 2016, and liked them over the 2015 version.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:02 PM

 snagy2000, on 25 January 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

http://www.golfwrx.c...tance-question/

All this and a nice price increase as well.
No price increase. Have been $47.99/dozen as far back as the 2013 version, Some retailers are clearing old stock out at $39.99

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:47 PM

Why the hell would they switch around which ball is low spinning? So are traditional X players going to switch? Am I reading this wrong? I saw a testing where the guy was spinning the ProV1 less of his driver and was mightily confused.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:19 PM

In previous generations the X actually spun a great deal. Moreso with wedges than the regular ProV

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:35 PM

i've always felt the X spun more on full wedge shots than the V, maybe this release they're just bringing this attention to the forefront

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 09:31 PM

I don't really understand this, I'm sure I'll try both but after always been an X guy it sounds like I'll be switching to the V.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 09:41 PM

So I'll try and clear up some misconceptions about prior generation Pro V1 and V1x golf balls. The X has always been a higher spinning golf ball, especially on wedges. Because it's compression is about 10 units higher than the standard V1, the ball was inherently higher spinning. Keep in mind that is strictly speaking to IRONS and WEDGES. As far as driver spin... the cores of both the standard V1 and the X have always been different. The V1 is a larger core with a larger outer core and no mantle, so with a lower compression it is fairly low spinning across the board compared to the X. The X's core is a bit smaller with an added mantle layer around the outer core. This mantle layer is what allowed the X to maintain its low spin off the driver while maintaining its higher spin wth the irons as wedges, as well as a higher launch angle and steeper descent. This created a problem, because the flight, spin, and feel characteristics were not consistent. The standard Pro V1 was deemed the softer, "spinnier" ball simply because of the driver spin category, which was when the driver spin craze relating to distance happened. So, Pro V1 = soft, spinnier ball, while the Pro V1x = hard, distance ball. However, that was only true for one category.

Titleist has fixed the confusion with the new core of the Pro V1. This new core allows the ball to spin less off the tee than the X, so now the player chooses the ball based on feel and flight characteristic. Distance-wise the balls should be about the same all things being equal. The V1 will spin less and fly lower, while the V1x will spin more and fly higher. Off the driver the distance should be about the same, but the flight will be different. Same deal with the irons and wedges. Now it's more about finding the ball that feels right off the face and gives you the proper amount of spin for your swing speed and ability to compress the ball.

Essentially, there's less gray area now!
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 09:43 PM

I would think right now if you are playing the 2015 V1x because of the lower spin on the driver, then you may want to test out the new V1. If you're playing the 2015  V1x because of the enhanced spin on irons and wedges, then you'll probably want to stay with the X for 2017.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:23 PM

 Pinger89, on 25 January 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

So I'll try and clear up some misconceptions about prior generation Pro V1 and V1x golf balls. The X has always been a higher spinning golf ball, especially on wedges. Because it's compression is about 10 units higher than the standard V1, the ball was inherently higher spinning. Keep in mind that is strictly speaking to IRONS and WEDGES. As far as driver spin... the cores of both the standard V1 and the X have always been different. The V1 is a larger core with a larger outer core and no mantle, so with a lower compression it is fairly low spinning across the board compared to the X. The X's core is a bit smaller with an added mantle layer around the outer core. This mantle layer is what allowed the X to maintain its low spin off the driver while maintaining its higher spin wth the irons as wedges, as well as a higher launch angle and steeper descent. This created a problem, because the flight, spin, and feel characteristics were not consistent. The standard Pro V1 was deemed the softer, "spinnier" ball simply because of the driver spin category, which was when the driver spin craze relating to distance happened. So, Pro V1 = soft, spinnier ball, while the Pro V1x = hard, distance ball. However, that was only true for one category.

Titleist has fixed the confusion with the new core of the Pro V1. This new core allows the ball to spin less off the tee than the X, so now the player chooses the ball based on feel and flight characteristic. Distance-wise the balls should be about the same all things being equal. The V1 will spin less and fly lower, while the V1x will spin more and fly higher. Off the driver the distance should be about the same, but the flight will be different. Same deal with the irons and wedges. Now it's more about finding the ball that feels right off the face and gives you the proper amount of spin for your swing speed and ability to compress the ball.

Essentially, there's less gray area now!
Thx, you explained it more clearly than Titleist press release..mucho gracias :golfer: :taunt:

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 11:19 PM

Goes to show how many people having been buying balls at $50 a dozen and don't even understand the product they are buying.  Titleist marketing is incredible.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 11:33 PM

So does 17 V1 spin less than the 15 X with driver? What degree of launch are we looking at in terms of difference? I have to say that Titleist might have really messed this release up. If the majority of wrxers are confused can you imagine the general public? The best ball for me was the 13 X hands down...

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:26 AM

I thought Rory had stock piled Nike rzn platinums for the forseeable future?
Also, I know pros are precise, but I'm not sure I buy Spieth saying the new ball is better in crosswinds. If he won the week he started using them, he was obviously striking it pretty sweet. Maybe the improved performance was more to do with his ball striking than the actual ball?

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:45 AM

 Pinger89, on 25 January 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

I would think right now if you are playing the 2015 V1x because of the lower spin on the driver, then you may want to test out the new V1. If you're playing the 2015  V1x because of the enhanced spin on irons and wedges, then you'll probably want to stay with the X for 2017.

Based on this info sounds like I'm switching to the V1.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 09:53 AM

View PostWardonation, on 25 January 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

So does 17 V1 spin less than the 15 X with driver? What degree of launch are we looking at in terms of difference? I have to say that Titleist might have really messed this release up. If the majority of wrxers are confused can you imagine the general public? The best ball for me was the 13 X hands down...

No.. that's kind of the confusing part. The 2015 V1 spun MORE off the tee than the 2015 V1x. The 2017 V1 will spin LESS than the 2015 V1, but from what I understand will spin about the same as the 2015 and 2017 V1x. Not much has changed about the V1x in terms of performance and flight characteristics because the core and mantle layers haven't changed whatsoever. The only change to the 2015 V1x was in the cover/dimples to make it fly more stable in winds. Other than that the spin and and flight characteristics will be the same in normal conditions. So from what I understand and the training I did with Titleist, the 2017 Pro V1 will now spin about the same as the 2015/2017 V1x off the tee thanks to the new core, but the iron and wedge spin will be about the same as it was before. So basically they've just made the Pro V1 the lesser spinning ball across the board. So if you're currently gaming the 2015 V1x, you can either stay with it as not much has changed, or switch the 2017 V1 if you like the softer feel that will now give you the same driver spin.
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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:00 AM

View Postsnagy2000, on 25 January 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

http://www.golfwrx.c...tance-question/

All this and a nice price increase as well.

View Postlarciel, on 25 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

It was always $47.99 MSRP.

Shiny new box. They say nothing changed on the inside of 1x .. I'm buying 2016 version.

Yeah! More expensive!

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:01 AM

Or to simplify even further, the only meaningful change to the two balls in 2017 vs. 2015 is less driver spin on 2017 ProV1 than 2015 ProV1. Everything else pretty much similar.
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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:02 AM

View PostPingGuy68, on 26 January 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

View Postsnagy2000, on 25 January 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

http://www.golfwrx.c...tance-question/

All this and a nice price increase as well.

View Postlarciel, on 25 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

It was always $47.99 MSRP.

Shiny new box. They say nothing changed on the inside of 1x .. I'm buying 2016 version.

Yeah! More expensive!  I think I'll try Bubbas's ball.

The list price and MAP have not changed at all.

Not sure why you want to keep repeating "more expensive". You won't become correct just by repetition.

Two things you can count on. One is that year-to-year changes in ProV1 and ProV1x will be minor. The other is that every two years people will be on GolfWRX whining about the price going up even though IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Edited by North Butte, 26 January 2017 - 10:04 AM.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:40 AM

I wonder how the new Pro V1 would compare to Chromesoft ? They both sound very similar. Can't wait to compare!


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 11:26 AM

:tomato:
OOPS!

I was looking at the wrong price.  What a dope! (me)

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 04:17 PM

View Postgsbecker, on 26 January 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

I wonder how the new Pro V1 would compare to Chromesoft ? They both sound very similar. Can't wait to compare!

The new ProV1 sounds similar to the Chromesoft X in that it is lower flight and has a 90 compression. But, the Cs-X is said to be a "higher-spin" ball.

Gonna be fun doing some testing

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 04:44 PM

View PostPinger89, on 26 January 2017 - 09:53 AM, said:

View PostWardonation, on 25 January 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

So does 17 V1 spin less than the 15 X with driver? What degree of launch are we looking at in terms of difference? I have to say that Titleist might have really messed this release up. If the majority of wrxers are confused can you imagine the general public? The best ball for me was the 13 X hands down...

No.. that's kind of the confusing part. The 2015 V1 spun MORE off the tee than the 2015 V1x. The 2017 V1 will spin LESS than the 2015 V1, but from what I understand will spin about the same as the 2015 and 2017 V1x. Not much has changed about the V1x in terms of performance and flight characteristics because the core and mantle layers haven't changed whatsoever. The only change to the 2015 V1x was in the cover/dimples to make it fly more stable in winds. Other than that the spin and and flight characteristics will be the same in normal conditions. So from what I understand and the training I did with Titleist, the 2017 Pro V1 will now spin about the same as the 2015/2017 V1x off the tee thanks to the new core, but the iron and wedge spin will be about the same as it was before. So basically they've just made the Pro V1 the lesser spinning ball across the board. So if you're currently gaming the 2015 V1x, you can either stay with it as not much has changed, or switch the 2017 V1 if you like the softer feel that will now give you the same driver spin.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 04:46 PM

The 2017 ProV1 now spins less off the driver than the 2015 ProV1, pretty much the same otherwise.

The 2017 ProV1x is almost exactly the same as the 2015 in all respects.

Minor tweaks to the dimples for better wind performance. That's about it.
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Posted 26 January 2017 - 04:53 PM

so what's farther...."LONGER DISTANCE" or "EXTRAORDINARY DISTANCE"

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915D2 Rogue Silver 60S
915F Rogue Black 80S
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