What degree Hybrid really replaces each iron?
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:34 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:42 PM
When I go with the three-wedge setup, I had to drop my 5W and 3I so I got an 18° which is kind-of in between the 5W and 3I. But I found the 18° hybrid to be too similar to my 3W (19°) so I was wasting a slot in my bag.
I dropped the 18° hybrid and my 60° wedge, and just recently added 2 Sonartec HB-001's (19° and 21°) which is like a 2 iron and 3 iron.
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:45 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:51 PM
Club LH Loft ° Lie ° Offset " Length " Bounce °
2 n/a 18 59.0 0.154 39.25 2
3 Yes 21 59.5 0.142 38.75 2
4 Yes 24 60.0 0.134 38.25 2
5 Yes 27 60.5 0.134 37.75 2
6 Yes 31 61.0 0.130 37.25 3
7 Yes 35 61.5 0.126 36.75 3
8 Yes 39 62.0 0.126 36.25 4
9 Yes 43 62.5 0.114 35.75 5
PW Yes 47 63.0 0.114 35.50 6
I think a 21° is a 3i
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:54 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:57 PM
Edited by PingG10 , 15 February 2008 - 04:58 PM.
Posted 15 February 2008 - 05:18 PM
Some other thoughts...
Maybe look to get a 3W that is lower in loft to balance your spacing. Perhaps 15*?
Really, from 200+ out, aren't we all just hoping to hit it on the green? We would all do well to have a big gap between the 3 hybrid and 4I and just hit hybrid more often. What are the odds we are going to pure it and fly the green? Probably not very often. IMHO.
I stayed with steel in my hybrids. I like the weight. Just an idea.
Good luck in finding a fit!
Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:00 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:05 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:30 PM
The first thing that comes to mind is how high you hit it. When my Hybrid does not work its usually because I hit it to high.
I have Taylor made rescue it a couple of years old. It is 19 degrees and I put the shaft from a 22 degree rescue in it.
I hit it about 190 which would be a three iron for me but I fight constantly ballooning it. Its getting better.
I think a high kick shaft would help but not sure which one to get
Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:44 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:10 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:23 PM
to my understanding they're about a club longer
Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:23 PM
I play my Titleist 755 3-iron that has a Project-X shaft at 39", and 22 degrees of loft when the West Texas wind gets over 20-25mph or so. Then on the normal wind days I play my 23 degree Nickent 3DX with a Fujikura Bonzai shaft at 38.5". I spent quite a bit of time on the launch monitor matching my distances. The 3-iron is much better hitting under the wind and the hybrid is a lot better at higher launch and soft landings. The real advantage of the hybrid for me is the ability to land the ball softly with less roll. Plus, the hybrid is like cheating out of the rough. It just glides through and the ball flies straight. Pretty amazing.
Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:29 PM
SLDR TP 15* Diamana Kaili 80 x5ct
2-PW '06' X-Forged - PX6.0 D2
Miura 53* PX6.0-E0 / 59* DGS200-E0
ProV1x or Hex Black Tour
SC California Monterey
Posted 16 February 2008 - 09:17 AM
Your ping S59 three iron was made with 21 degrees of loft. ( many manufacturers make a 20 degree three iron; the new macgregor MT's come with a 19 degree three iron).
Therefore you are trying to figure out the best way to fill the gap between your 18 degree fairway wood and your ping 4 iron (which has 23.75 degrees of loft, according to the Ping website).
as other posts have said, a 21 degree hybrid with a graphite shaft will fly further that a 21 degree three iron with a steel shaft , most of the time.
Therefore, If your goal is to match the current distance of your ping 3 iron (if you can hit it consistently, you must be a pretty good golfer) , you can experiment with "weaker" lofted hybrids which have 22 or 23 or even 24 degrees of loft.
I would be very interesting to hit the ping G10 24 degree hybrid along side your ping 4 iron to see what the distance gap is between those two clubs.
You will probably hit the 24 degree hybrid at least as far as your 21 degree three iron. Most people will also hit the hybrid more consistently than the three iron.
Posted 16 February 2008 - 09:35 AM
I had the opportunity when being fitted to try the hybrids but didn't. Try your local retail sim and hit some along with your 3 iron. Then find one that matches. Everyone swings different, some higher flight, some lower so advice here will get you close but not exact for you.
By using a sim you can find that replacement that closely matches. I bought a 3 & 4 hogan cft in graphite and although I hit them well, the gap between my 5 iron and 4 hybrid is 25 yards, too much. Don't make my mistake. Experiment with graphite and steel, whatever you like.
Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:02 AM
Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:31 AM
I also have a 22° Hybrid. This replaces my 4 iron (23°) and my 7 wood (21°).
As far as distance control is concerned I manage to do this ( more or less!) by just choking down on the grip where I need lesser distance and/or lower ball flight.
For info. I play all my clubs,including irons in Graphite.
Woods:R7 TP # 3+5 RBZ 2 # 3+ 5
Hybrids: RBZ 2 # 3 +4 + 5
Ping i3+/i5 MX-200-
Putter : Odessey White Hot Tour #1
Wedges: Cleveland CG16 : 52° + 58°
Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:33 AM
I used to be a solid player (+3) with really strong ball striking so i used to carry a 2 iron as gospel and still do. Depending on what courses i was playing i would carry a 1 iron (tom watson grind blades) ! I used to take great pride in hitting my long irons very strong and being able to stop them on the greens no problems. However on my return to golf my ballstriking isnt quite as consistent as it used to be and the pros seem to have hybrids these days so its time to let the EGO go and maybe try a hybid.
I have titleist everything now really (all new stuff just purchased) (really easy to hit compared to my old equipment especially the new drivers dont think you can mishit those huge heads but thereis no massive increase in distance i hit my old 975d and and great big bertha just as far)
Trusty rusty wedges
Any recomendations about what hybrids suite your stronger ball striker ?
ims till in shock im converting to hybrids my old man would disown me !!!!!!
Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:56 AM
In my experience, Mizuno hybrids play pretty much like the iron they replace. TaylorMade hybrids play significantly longer, sometimes more than one club longer... so a TM 4h would be more like a 2.5 or 3 iron.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:16 AM
i would make you spot on, originally i bought the 910F with 21 degree to replace the 3 iron because when i bought my AP2's they only came 4 through to PW however the hybrid is going 2 iron distance which is fine by me, if i need a 3 iron distance i just grip down the shaft 1 inch
Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:13 AM
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