[webber]

Duval was about 8 over through 11 holes and withdrew? Anyone know why?

[b3million]

Saw something that said David Duval cited “neck pain.”

[blu89hb]

webber, on Feb 15 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

Duval was about 8 over through 11 holes and withdrew? Anyone know why?

probably because he was +8 through 11 holes......

[Dayton]

blu89hb, on Feb 15 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

webber, on Feb 15 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

Duval was about 8 over through 11 holes and withdrew? Anyone know why?

probably because he was +8 through 11 holes......

I would say you hit the nail on the head.

[TM golf guy 182]

Dayton, on Feb 15 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

blu89hb, on Feb 15 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

webber, on Feb 15 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

Duval was about 8 over through 11 holes and withdrew? Anyone know why?

probably because he was +8 through 11 holes......

I would say you hit the nail on the head.

As much as I like Duval, I have to agree.

It is sad to see how much he has gone downhill. I really don't see him having any chance anymore for a come back.

[2underpargolf]

if he would leave NIKE and go back to Titleist he might (although unlikely) have a fighting chance...

[BallSpinner]

And get back in shape. Man did he look corpulent yesterday.

[rony]

I know this guy has a lot of fans on this forum, but I put him in the same category as Daly; had his day and is now finished! Neither one will ever be anything but a "Coupon Clipper" on the tour again.

[snuggyph1]

I may have missed this during the broadcast, but he withdrew? Anyone know why?

[mat562]

Latest thinking is a 'neck injury'

http://www.golfwrx.c...h...96&hl=duval

[skinkman]

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if he would leave NIKE and go back to Titleist he might (although unlikely) have a fighting chance...

one of the dumbest comments I ever read.

He even won his only major with Nike..if Titleist was so good, how come the stable of players aren't winning majors?
Adam Scott ---duh
Ernie Els --duh
Love -- duh

and Titleist is a patent thieving company. Duval has too much integrity to be associated with unscrupulous companies like Titleist

[scotton]

Hell, I was 8 over through 9 this morning and I withdrew ... to the parking lot.

[belote]

what on earth does using nike instead of titleist matter at all? Are you saying that JD could be better if he used titleist? Are you saying tiger could be better if he used the holy grail of titleist?

[mat562]

I'm not sure that I agree with the anti-Titleist sentiments, but I certainly agree that re-bagging the 962Bs probably isn't going to see him vying for titles again...

[HipCheck]

David should just stay home at this point. His 'happy place' is not the golf course.

It's not the clubs.

[DemolitionMan]

Bad case of bogeyitis.

[The Ultimate Spin]

its a shame he has declined the way he has. ask anyone relatively new to golf and they have no idea who he is

[skinkman]

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I'm not sure that I agree with the anti-Titleist sentiments

I am just stretching it a little here really..Just to show that no one lives in a glass house..
I personally couldn't careless who Titleist stole from..or any other OEM for that matter..but that Nike trouncing gets old really fast these days..

[Tim Delgado]

I believe (just my opinion) he is just playing out his contractual obligations in order to keep the big checks from Nike coming in.

I know, I know, he says all the "right things" about being competitive, making the Ryder Cup team, etc., but the reality is he is just showing up for the cash. Not impressive IMO, but I am SURE some DD lovers will flame me and say how this guy is really serious about competing again, blah, blah, blah.

The reality is that he clearly is NOT committed to making the necessary sacrifices required to be competitive.

He is done and has been for years. He should (IMO) do the honorable thing and shut it down so that someone who HASN'T already made $60+ million and can actually still shoot par will have a spot in these events. After 11 years in pro baseball and three elbow surgeries I still had offers to play, but at SOME point you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself...Can I still perform at a level that I can be proud of? Do any of these guys have any pride?

DD is starting to remind me of some NBA players who are clearly "mailing it in" and getting their big, guaranteed paychecks. I really don't care, and to each his own, but this approach would not work for me, and I seriously doubt that it would work for someone like Tiger. Can you EVER imagine Tiger doing what DD is doing? Of course you cannot, and that says it all.

I did read a story about a linebacker for the Broncos that recently retired even though he had a year or two left on his contract, so I guess there are a FEW guys out there with some pride.

I would be fine if I never saw DD shooting 83 or Daly withdrawing after an all-night drinking binge again, taking up a spot in another PGA event. Not to say that DD is in the same category of JD...not even close thankfully!

What a great swing he had though!

Tim

[mat562]

Tim

I was and remain abig Duval fan, but I honestly think you've hit the nail on the head with your comments.

It's a shame since I was lucky enough to see Duval at his prime (as many of us were) and I greatly admire the man and his character. He was a wonderful player and it's sad to see him reduced to a shadow of his former self.

I don't get the impression that he truly does feel he can come back - and I feel that it very well may be a case of keeping the Nike cheques rolling in. I don't honestly think that Duval would continue in his current vein if that weren't the case.

[uncle rico]

Tim Delgado, on Feb 15 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

I believe (just my opinion) he is just playing out his contractual obligations in order to keep the big checks from Nike coming in. Not impressive. I know, I know, he says all the "right things" about being competitive, making the Ryder Cup team, etc., but the reality is he is just showing up for the cash. Not terribly impressive IMO, but I am SURE some DD lovers will flame me and say how this guy is really serious about competing again, blah, blah, blah.. He clearly is NOT committed to making the necessary sacrifices required to be competitive.

He is done and has been for years. He should (IMO) do the honorable thing and shut it down so that someone who HASN'T already made $60+ million and can actually still shoot par will have a spot in these events. After 11 years in pro baseball and three elbow surgeries I still had offers to play, but at SOME point you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself...Can I still perform at a level that I can be proud of? Do any of these guys have any pride? DD is starting to remind me of some NBA players who are clearly "mailing it in" and getting their big, guaranteed paychecks. I really don't care, and to each his own, but this approach would not work for me.

I did read a story about a linebacker for the Broncos that recently retired even though he had a year or two left on his contract, so I guess there are a FEW guys out there with some pride.

I would be fine if I never saw DD shooting 83 or Daly withdrawing after an all-night drinking binge, taking up a spot in another PGA event. Not to say that DD is in the same category of JD...not even close thankfully!

What a great swing he had though!

Tim

I agree with you 100%. The good news is that DD, will have to earn a place next year, his med exemption is up. He may get some sponsors exemptions like JD, but the way they have been playing they won't last long.

That is the great thing about golf, for the most part you earn the right to be there, after the exemptions are gone you have to earn it.

[Swingtheclub]

You know I am not sure DD will ever make it back. But give the guy a break if he says his neck is injured I believe him.


As far as what clubs he plays. I am a way bigger fan of Titelist than I am Nike. Then again the best player in the world gets by with Nike.

Honestly I think DD is kidding himself where is game is at. I think he needs to get some help and get off his butt and do some work


Its sad he was a great player key on the word was.

[edwelly]

The Ultimate Spin, on Feb 15 2008, 04:30 PM, said:

its a shame he has declined the way he has. ask anyone relatively new to golf and they have no idea who he is

That is me. I have been playing for lmost 5 years now and I can't say understand what all of the hype is about. Please note that I am not taking away anything from DD, just stating that I have never seen him play well.

I often wonder if we just want somebody who can play at Tiger's level constanly. Not challenger Tiger for no.1 , just someone who can go out week after week and play 4 rounds of REALLY good golf. From everything I have read about DD, it seems that DD was the one person who could do this several years ago. Just a thought...

[floyd]

I think he will never get it back, it seems to me he doesn't work on his game much, he hardly plays in any tourney's.

[GatorEsq]

Duval is DONE. You can't make it on this tour withour 100% commitment.

[WanderDukeCubs]

When Duval reached #1 in the world, he had no weaknesses in his game.

That being said, DAMN HE DROVE IT GOOD!!!!!!!!!

[InspiredGolf]

Give it some time. He was playing well the beginning of last year then he had to take 1/2 the year off to be with his wife who was in bed for 6 months during her pregnancy. He is off to a rough start but plans on playing a full schedule. He still has tons of talent and time will tell if he can get back to playing good golf.
I do not think he is playing to cash a check, it is not consistent with his character.
Besides he doesn't need the money.

[bpalmer21]

I half heartedly agree with you guys on the money part, to bad.

As far as someone who could have challenged Tiger, full time, maybe.

I would give him a chance, but for someone who was so good, I havent seen him shoot one decent round since he has been back. It is one thing to play bad all the time, but for someone who was the best in the world, you think he would be getting lucky everyonce in awhile. Maybe Im wrong, but even guys who are rusty still go low, just not everyday.

As far as DD being mentioned in the same breath as JD, that needs to stop. DD has class and was world class, JD was nothing but a lucky drunk at best, Not saying he doesent have game, but I think you get the point. I could care less if I ever see JD again. Now DD I would like to see play well, but if he is gunna stink it up, I hope he just goes home and stays with the family, Lord knows he dosent need the money.

BP

[sergizmo]

InspiredGolf, on Feb 16 2008, 01:23 AM, said:

Give it some time. He was playing well the beginning of last year then he had to take 1/2 the year off to be with his wife who was in bed for 6 months during her pregnancy. He is off to a rough start but plans on playing a full schedule. He still has tons of talent and time will tell if he can get back to playing good golf.
I do not think he is playing to cash a check, it is not consistent with his character.
Besides he doesn't need the money.

Come on now. It's been a good 6 years since he has played really good golf. Basically a little while after he won the Open in '01. He just doesn't give a crap about playing well on the PGA tour. Simple as that. He'd rather be snowboarding or spending time with the family. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, except for taking up a slot and still getting endorsement money. Going through the motions and still being paid, as Tim Delgado put into words so well.

IMO he won the Open, and it wasn't the huge career and life changing experience that he heard it was. So he stopped really caring about being the best he could possibly be as a pro and started going through the motions.

So how long until he shoots 71 and we get another "Duval making a comeback!" thread?

[Birdman of Alcatraz]

I had the chance to meet DD at the British Open, a true gentleman. His winning speech was one of the finest I've heard. While his flowing swing was in the groove it was beautiful to watch.

But that being said his technique was highly unorthodox and it's sad to say, unable to stand the test of time.

[floyd]

I don't think he really cares about golf anymore, I don't think he practices much at all and he plays in very few tourney's and doesn't ever shoot well at all. I really hate to say it but I feel like he is washed up.

[shamil2424]

As a huge DD fan, I really hope he gets it back. I find it absolutely hilarious that so many people can tell from his play that he is mailing it in. None of you obviously know DD and how he is a very prideful person. Unlike so many of us, he has his priorities in line and I'd bet that in time, doing so will allow him to return to where he once was on this tour. Here's hoping that we can see the real DD again soon!

[kemau]

i think there might be a lack of understanding what it takes out of a person when you're on the brink of marriage with your long time significant other and then you separate. throw in a bout with vertigo amongst various other injuries, uprooting yourself to relocate in a different locale with a new wife who has kids (immediate step-dad responsibilities) and then having to deal with a difficult pregnancy where you're not sure if everyone will be ok.....golf, just like any other sport, involves an incredible amount of selfishness to reach the pinnacle of accomplishment and his resume will attest to what he's fulfilled. so with all of these factors to in play, he simply chose to put his priorities in order with health and family being at the top of the list. the criticism is a bit ridiculous. i mean it's not like the guy has been p*ssing his life or talent away and making stupid decisions. when all of the off course distractions are in order, the on course abilities will be found again

[Tim Delgado]

I agree with your comments, and it is clear that DD has been dealing with MANY issues that are more important than golf. I get that and respect that he focused his attention to where he felt it was needed. No problem at ALL with that.

Where I do NOT agree with his approach is in taking his game back to the tour, where as a former world #1 he will always get invites and still has his med exemption, and playing golf similar to what my friends and I play! LOL

ANY former #1 MUST know whether or not he or she can compete and SHOULD know where their game is.

My point is that at SOME point you need to have some pride and not show up (as a former world #1) looking dreadfully out of shape, unprepared, obviously short on practice, and shoot a couple rounds in the 80s, miss the cut and then do it again in a week or two. But as I said earlier, to each his own, and if he wants to continue to embarass himself (yes, what is now doing IS embarassing) he is certainly free to do so.

I just think that if I were lucky and talented enough to reach world #1 status, I would NOT want to go out like that, and I would rather reach a settlement and terminate a Nike contract early for less money than continue to look like a donkey out on the course and in full view of the golf world.

Nothing wrong with taking your money and shutting it down, just quit throwing out all the BS about how committed you are while shooting in the 80s. Show some pride DD, you are better than this.

Tim (a FORMER DD fan)

[LJ_GOLF1]

bpalmer21, on Feb 16 2008, 12:37 AM, said:

I half heartedly agree with you guys on the money part, to bad.

As far as someone who could have challenged Tiger, full time, maybe.

I would give him a chance, but for someone who was so good, I havent seen him shoot one decent round since he has been back. It is one thing to play bad all the time, but for someone who was the best in the world, you think he would be getting lucky everyonce in awhile. Maybe Im wrong, but even guys who are rusty still go low, just not everyday.

As far as DD being mentioned in the same breath as JD, that needs to stop. DD has class and was world class, JD was nothing but a lucky drunk at best, Not saying he doesent have game, but I think you get the point. I could care less if I ever see JD again. Now DD I would like to see play well, but if he is gunna stink it up, I hope he just goes home and stays with the family, Lord knows he dosent need the money.

BP

I will refrain from yelling and ranting, but WOW !!! Attacking JD as you did isn't too cool. He's had some problems and he still gets out there and grinds. He hasn't given up. We all forget that these guy have earned the right to be out there.

[InspiredGolf]

sergizmo, on Feb 15 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

InspiredGolf, on Feb 16 2008, 01:23 AM, said:

Give it some time. He was playing well the beginning of last year then he had to take 1/2 the year off to be with his wife who was in bed for 6 months during her pregnancy. He is off to a rough start but plans on playing a full schedule. He still has tons of talent and time will tell if he can get back to playing good golf.
I do not think he is playing to cash a check, it is not consistent with his character.
Besides he doesn't need the money.

Come on now. It's been a good 6 years since he has played really good golf. Basically a little while after he won the Open in '01. He just doesn't give a crap about playing well on the PGA tour. Simple as that. He'd rather be snowboarding or spending time with the family. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, except for taking up a slot and still getting endorsement money. Going through the motions and still being paid, as Tim Delgado put into words so well.

IMO he won the Open, and it wasn't the huge career and life changing experience that he heard it was. So he stopped really caring about being the best he could possibly be as a pro and started going through the motions.

So how long until he shoots 71 and we get another "Duval making a comeback!" thread?

He was playing well at the beginning of last year making 3 out of 5 cuts. That is not too bad is it? Then his wife was having a tough pregnancy so he missed the rest of the year to stay with home with her.
When I say give it some time I am talking about this year. He is just getting back to playing golf so lets give him some time. He said he desires to play well again and has some pretty high goals (that he has mentioned in t.v. interviews) so I do believe he is being honest. He has always said what he believes so why would he change now just because his game is not so good. To say "he doesn't
give a crap" is a ignorant statement. He just isn't playing very good right now.

[Swoosh216]

2underpargolf, on Feb 15 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

if he would leave NIKE and go back to Titleist he might (although unlikely) have a fighting chance...

What a Joke??? Should Phil go back? Should Tiger go back? DD won his Major with Nike! I believe that Nike has won the Driver; Iron; Wedge count the last 3 years...

skinkman, on Feb 15 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

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if he would leave NIKE and go back to Titleist he might (although unlikely) have a fighting chance...

one of the dumbest comments I ever read.

He even won his only major with Nike..if Titleist was so good, how come the stable of players aren't winning majors?
Adam Scott ---duh
Ernie Els --duh
Love -- duh

and Titleist is a patent thieving company. Duval has too much integrity to be associated with unscrupulous companies like Titleist

Funny how the perception is that Nike is inferior...Nike has more wins than Titleist when counting Clubs. Nike had more ball wins than Callaway; Srixon; Bridgestone and TM combined.

belote, on Feb 15 2008, 03:35 PM, said:

what on earth does using nike instead of titleist matter at all? Are you saying that JD could be better if he used titleist? Are you saying tiger could be better if he used the holy grail of titleist?

WOW???? Original poster...

sergizmo, on Feb 16 2008, 01:47 AM, said:

InspiredGolf, on Feb 16 2008, 01:23 AM, said:

Give it some time. He was playing well the beginning of last year then he had to take 1/2 the year off to be with his wife who was in bed for 6 months during her pregnancy. He is off to a rough start but plans on playing a full schedule. He still has tons of talent and time will tell if he can get back to playing good golf.
I do not think he is playing to cash a check, it is not consistent with his character.
Besides he doesn't need the money.

Come on now. It's been a good 6 years since he has played really good golf. Basically a little while after he won the Open in '01. He just doesn't give a crap about playing well on the PGA tour. Simple as that. He'd rather be snowboarding or spending time with the family. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, except for taking up a slot and still getting endorsement money. Going through the motions and still being paid, as Tim Delgado put into words so well.

IMO he won the Open, and it wasn't the huge career and life changing experience that he heard it was. So he stopped really caring about being the best he could possibly be as a pro and started going through the motions.

So how long until he shoots 71 and we get another "Duval making a comeback!" thread?

I think the pressure and expectations did not really appeal to him. When he was # 1 the feeling was that he loved the competition but did not like the responsibility and demands that go with the status. Not an excuse but something with some merit.

kemau, on Feb 16 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

i think there might be a lack of understanding what it takes out of a person when you're on the brink of marriage with your long time significant other and then you separate. throw in a bout with vertigo amongst various other injuries, uprooting yourself to relocate in a different locale with a new wife who has kids (immediate step-dad responsibilities) and then having to deal with a difficult pregnancy where you're not sure if everyone will be ok.....golf, just like any other sport, involves an incredible amount of selfishness to reach the pinnacle of accomplishment and his resume will attest to what he's fulfilled. so with all of these factors to in play, he simply chose to put his priorities in order with health and family being at the top of the list. the criticism is a bit ridiculous. i mean it's not like the guy has been p*ssing his life or talent away and making stupid decisions. when all of the off course distractions are in order, the on course abilities will be found again

I could not agree more...I don't know if he can get it back but he seemed to be headed in the right direction last year with 3 out of 5 cuts. People forget that his problems started with back injuries and shoulder injuries in 2002. The pregnancy and the complicatons with that derailed him from the progress he was making. He may not be # 1 again but I think if he wants to get back to the top 50 in the world it could be possible.

[chippen]

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DD won his Major with Nike! I believe that Nike has won the Driver; Iron; Wedge count the last 3 years...

Agreed, but who was the player responsible for 75% of that count?

El Tigre

[dgrelecki]

True, he is. BUT, look at the FedEx standing TODAY. 4 of the top 10 are Nike staffers....and Tiger's the 4th. Like Nike or hate them, they have made a huge impact on the game. They've taken 10 steps forward, and Titleist has taken them in the other direction.

How many majors are split in their currents stable of PGA players? Zach Johnson (1), Davis Love(1), and Ben Curtis (1)....NOT GOOD FOR TITLEIST

[CGB]

skinkman, on Feb 15 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

and Titleist is a patent thieving company. Duval has too much integrity to be associated with unscrupulous companies like Titleist

Ohhh yeah, as opposed to the wholesome, all American Nike.