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Callaway GBB Epic and Epic Sub Zero: Drivers and Fairways


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#61 Roadking_6

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:23 AM

View Postbuchaneb, on 04 January 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Anybody know of a list of with all the shaft options and upcharge prices?
I have a list of non upcharge but don't know all the upcharge options or prices. PM me. I don't want to post publicly unless I get permission from the people who run the site. Thanks.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:24 AM

View Posthurricanes7, on 04 January 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

when are we getting a review on the 3 wood

More of a description than a real review...



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:26 AM

Will these be available in the U-Design program?  I really liked the matt-black on last year's GBB & GBB Alpha.  Curious if we could get that straight from Callaway instead of having to ship off to Continental.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:29 AM

View Postmarlowe70, on 04 January 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

View Posthurricanes7, on 04 January 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

when are we getting a review on the 3 wood

More of a description than a real review...



Although this sounds compelling he gave it only a 4 out of 5 star rating compared to the new M2 Fairway which got 5 on the Golfalot website.

Edited by marlowe70, 04 January 2017 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:33 AM

GBB is plenty forgiving for me, not sure why I would want to upgrade to this new model.  I also prefer the clean matte crown of the GBB and my XR Pro fairway.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:06 PM

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View PostIvanDrago, on 04 January 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

made for stock shafts?!

what is this 2010?

Not to worry...there are plenty of threads explaining how these made for shafts are equivalent in performance to your favorite aftermarket shafts

Like I've said before, made for stock shafts just look different now, because the shaft OEM hates the question too and makes them available to purchase.

Best example for anyone complaining about made for shafts....has anyone ever purchased a 110 MSI Rogue that didn't come in a club?

Probably the best deal right now for a shaft in a driver is the Speeder Evolution II in a JPX-900...if it fits you.
You can get the speeder Evo II in last years Callaway drivers so I'm sure you can get it in the Epic at no up charge.

And the made for point is brought up again...

Evolution II looks like this

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Not this made for Callaway/OEM
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The shaft at top is the Evo II while the one below is the Tour Spec version. Fujikura lists both on their website as separately available shafts. In the 60 gram range, the Evo II is listed as the 661, while the TS is listed as 665.

The Tour Spec is a full inch shorter in its stock form and 2 ounces lighter than the regular version in X-flex. Both of these models have different tip stiffness and torque. I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that you can in fact get an Evolution Tour Spec that is not just made for Callaway or TMAG or whomever. Neither of these shafts are available stock as only the Pro will be available without upcharge. The Pro comes in even lighter at only 60 grams in the X-stiff model with a tip stiffness right in between the Evo II and Evo II TS. The Torque is actually much higher than either of them, which is interesting.

I wonder about those who are used to swinging a D4 swingweight driver (All Epics are D3) and how they will fair as far as center contact. I know the Epic is supposed to help massively with Distance on off center hits, but I see a lot of guys adding hot melt to these. In the testing done on the front page of this website, the tester uses D3 weighted Epics vs a D4 weighted DBD. Is it surprising that he made solid contact more often with a heavier head? I don't think so. I'd say add some hot melt to bring the weight up and redo the tesT.

EDIT: I just saw that in the test they had all 4 drivers weighted as close to D3 as possible. I'm not sure how they were able to remove enough weight from the DBD to get it to D3 without altering the performance that it was made for at a D4 weight. I'd like to see them get the Epics to D4, leave the DBD at a stock D4, and retest them to see if it makes a difference. A lot of us swing D4 drivers and would like to know if the dispersion and center contact improve with the added weight.  

Edited by justwellsy, 04 January 2017 - 12:11 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:09 PM

This actually will benefit people with LOWER swing speeds because 2mph/distance will be a greater fraction than someone who hits it 280

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:13 PM

I absolutely can't wait to pick one of these up...for 125 used in 2018
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:36 PM

Playing a TM Aerotech at the moment. Considering this or the Mizuno JPX-900. Does anyone out there think I can go wrong with either? Way too much money to make a stupid descision. Thanks

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:40 PM

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:51 PM

View Postjustwellsy, on 04 January 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:



The shaft at top is the Evo II while the one below is the Tour Spec version. Fujikura lists both on their website as separately available shafts. In the 60 gram range, the Evo II is listed as the 661, while the TS is listed as 665.

The Tour Spec is a full inch shorter in its stock form and 2 ounces lighter than the regular version in X-flex. Both of these models have different tip stiffness and torque. I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that you can in fact get an Evolution Tour Spec that is not just made for Callaway or TMAG or whomever. Neither of these shafts are available stock as only the Pro will be available without upcharge. The Pro comes in even lighter at only 60 grams in the X-stiff model with a tip stiffness right in between the Evo II and Evo II TS. The Torque is actually much higher than either of them, which is interesting.

I wonder about those who are used to swinging a D4 swingweight driver (All Epics are D3) and how they will fair as far as center contact. I know the Epic is supposed to help massively with Distance on off center hits, but I see a lot of guys adding hot melt to these. In the testing done on the front page of this website, the tester uses D3 weighted Epics vs a D4 weighted DBD. Is it surprising that he made solid contact more often with a heavier head? I don't think so. I'd say add some hot melt to bring the weight up and redo the tesT.

EDIT: I just saw that in the test they had all 4 drivers weighted as close to D3 as possible. I'm not sure how they were able to remove enough weight from the DBD to get it to D3 without altering the performance that it was made for at a D4 weight. I'd like to see them get the Epics to D4, leave the DBD at a stock D4, and retest them to see if it makes a difference. A lot of us swing D4 drivers and would like to know if the dispersion and center contact improve with the added weight.  

I think the new Sub Zero is standard at D4, or at least that's what it looks like on the Callaway website.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:09 PM

View PostRoadking_6, on 04 January 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:


Thanks for the post

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:10 PM

I'm just trying to decide which hype train I want to jump on first. The horrid green on everything ? or the carbon fiber on everything ?

Seriously though the carbon fiber crown was cool for 10 seconds before I actually looked at it and saw how cheap the paint job looks. It looks like Walmarts answer to the m1 and m2.
But hey I'm sure the club performs and that's great to each his own

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:14 PM

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More reviews...





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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:11 PM

Are there any pictures of the 20 degree Epic Heavenwood?

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:12 PM

View PostRoadking_6, on 04 January 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:


Thanks for this!
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:19 PM

View PostWarrick, on 04 January 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

definitely a "pass" for now.  Very underwhelmed with the crown on all of them.  I am curious to see what the BST looks like in April.

I am a huge Callaway fan, but not dumping $800 to replace the 816 DBD and Alpha fairway, when there is not a ton of difference from the testing I have seen.  It was even noted the very minimal gains against the 816 DBD.  I know the MOI is higher, supposed to be more forgiving, but I am happy with what I have.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

View PostNessism, on 04 January 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:


What I'd like to know is what is the vertical axis MOI.  The Ping G is in the 5200 range.  This "combined MOI" number in the 8000 range is too confusing.  What matters the most is the vertical MOI not combined.

Well using another website's MOI measurements, the 816 Alpha has an MOI of 3981 in its lowest MOI config. I read Callaway is using that as their comparison and it would make sense they use the worst MOI possible to achieve the highest percentage increase for marketing purposes. So if you take the 3981 and multiply it by 1.42 (42%), you get 5653 MOI for the SZ. That is considerably higher than even the Ping G. Now they have my attention if this is the case. I have always loved the Ping G driver due to how forgiving and straight it is but could never hit it due to spin. The LST is in my sweets spot but it still spun a bit more than other offerings and the MOI came down to "more normal" range. If this 5600 number is truly correct, I will be gaming the SZ shortly.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:02 PM



Finally a longer Driver for Crossfield. +8 on top of his usual 262 yards sounds promising.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:23 PM

Has anyone weighed both heads the normal Epic and Epic SZ heads?

One internet post claimed 193g and another post 200g.  Seems odd they would be 6g apart.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:28 PM

View Posterock9174, on 04 January 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Has anyone weighed both heads the normal Epic and Epic SZ heads?

One internet post claimed 193g and another post 200g.  Seems odd they would be 6g apart.

possible one with and one without the adapter??
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:32 PM

Just hit the Epic SZ with the Rouge Max 75x vs my 9.5 917 D3 w/ Tensei Orange V2, which I also hit for the fist time today.

Not a huge sample size, but consistently saw higher ball speeds with the Titleist. Go figure.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:33 PM

went to hit some balls over lunch and the pro shop had most of the demo cart stuff in already.  

i looked at them both for a while, and the regular epic still looks smaller/better to me.  not a fan of the aero stuff on the crown, but the green isn't distracting.  i took one swing with the SZ before our pro showed up to start my lesson.  hit it square, felt and sounded pretty good to me.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:36 PM

View Posttnord, on 04 January 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

not a fan of the aero stuff on the crown, but the green isn't distracting.
Coming from a G30 with Turbulators, the Speed Steps don't bother me at all. And at address, I don't notice the green accents. I do wish they would have left the Chevron alignment aid off, that is my only aesthetic complaint.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:48 PM

Pretty tired of "made for" shafts when we all know that even the real shaft costs about $10 to make.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:49 PM

From the reviews I have seen...Only the SZ model deserves the Epic name. Regular Epic is anything but...

Looking forward to trying them out as everyone will obviously have different experiences. 10.5 to get some high launch with the SZ head for low spin... bomb.

But even then... the hype is unsurprisingly overblown...

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:00 PM

View PostQMany, on 04 January 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

View Posttnord, on 04 January 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

not a fan of the aero stuff on the crown, but the green isn't distracting.
Coming from a G30 with Turbulators, the Speed Steps don't bother me at all. And at address, I don't notice the green accents. I do wish they would have left the Chevron alignment aid off, that is my only aesthetic complaint.

i'm not a fan of the turbulators either.  

but i'm a guy that takes all the DG labels off his iron shafts and puts the logo down on my tour velvets because i like clean and simple.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:03 PM

Anybody see this one with the bank robber hitting balls and stepping in front of the TrackMan on each shot before it finishes measuring ball flight (so has to calculate it)?



https://youtu.be/aVPNfnY1ytg



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:12 PM

View Posterock9174, on 04 January 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Has anyone weighed both heads the normal Epic and Epic SZ heads?

One internet post claimed 193g and another post 200g.  Seems odd they would be 6g apart.

SZ weights total 14 grams.
Epic sliding weight is 17 grams.

So that's three grams.

I imagine the track adds a few grams over no track of the SZ as well.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:32 PM

So not sure if this was mentioned in here already or the other big thread about the epic, but I just heard on podcast from Callaway that in the big Bertha epic if you do custom and go under size on shaft length they are going to throw in 2  weights for the slider. They have choices between a 9, 11 and the 17 that come stock. Pretty cool that they are giving you an extra weight to get desired swing weight.

Eh who cares

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