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Tales From The Tour, Part II.....

A Has Been And A Never Was

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#31 JonnyKrasnodar

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 02:15 PM

View Postsharkiesj, on 25 December 2016 - 12:14 PM, said:

Thank you so much, rangersgoalie, for your help with the Get A Grip foundation years ago at Cresta Verde and Hidden Valley.  

I want to ask you some questions that many of us here at Wrx would like to finally,as they say, bury the hatchet on, and get the real, straight from the tour perspective, so that these questions will never pop up on Wrx again:

1. What is your take on Am's that show up with a staff bag?

2. How do you feel when you see a 10+ handi with blades in their bag? Do you even look in someone else's bag? Do you even care?

3.  Did you get in on the Costco ball, Kirkland Signature craze?

Number 2 is irrelevant is it not? 30 years ago 10+ HCPs had no choice but to play blades and the reason it is even up for discussion is because OEMs have made the distinction that "better" players should be the ones to play them.

Plenty chavs drive Porsches and Jaguars. Should they not because they're for the supposed better off?


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 02:34 PM

30 years ago Ping Eye 2s were the hottest thing on the market.

Edited by Hawkeye77, 25 December 2016 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 02:59 PM

View PostbruinsPATSirish, on 25 December 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

Mr. Burke glad to see you on here! Here's a couple of my questions.

1. Are Tour players that much better and that much longer now than back in even the 90's?

I would argue there are more good players, and far better athletic players now.  Speed and size is radically different,
And with ruling bodies basically encouraging a power game, the kids today are light years better suited.  I'm a bit surprised
At the distance control issues I see in a lot of very,very good players



2. What was you favorite course you ever played an event at?

Kingston Heath in Melbourne.  Great course, and fun every time I played it

3. Who was the best Tour Pro to play with? Fun or impressive, just in general.

Nick Price, when he was number 1.  Squeaky was still caddying for him, and he was just a good man, and a hell of a player too.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:05 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Ranger...thanks for doing this.  

Aside from the obvious Big Names on Tour can you tell us of lesser known players who's talent really impressed you? And what was it about their game that was great?

Faxon was amazing.  Mostly because he drove it pretty wildly, and looked at every bad tee shot as an opportunity to do something incredible.  Almost kid like.
Faldo' ball control amazed me, especially in the wind.  Played a bunch of practice rounds with Azinger for the '95 Open at St Andrews.  What was impressive was his excitement about the place, and how detailed his notes were on the course.  He lived to compete.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:05 PM

do you still use the reverse taper grip scheme? took me hours to do those in the CG Tour Department with Newsome...


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:10 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Ranger...thanks for doing this.  

Aside from the obvious Big Names on Tour can you tell us of lesser known players who's talent really impressed you? And what was it about their game that was great?

View PostJonnyKrasnodar, on 25 December 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Hi,

Bit of a random question for me given the talk off lofts on irons at the moment in the equipment thread.

Have you ever used what are called GI clubs during an event and if so how did you find them? Is the distance they travel an issue or can you adjust accordingly?

View PostJonnyKrasnodar, on 25 December 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Hi,

Bit of a random question for me given the talk off lofts on irons at the moment in the equipment thread.

Have you ever used what are called GI clubs during an event and if so how did you find them? Is the distance they travel an issue or can you adjust accordingly?

Personally, I tried them, but my biggest difficulty golf wise was creating spin.  I had a lot of shaft lean, hit it pretty solid, and played well in windy conditions.
Going to GI clubs just made it tougher to control distances for me.  When eye twos were out, I used the long irons a lot, but those suckers could spin top flites
I would inevitably hit the newer irons too far and too inconsistently, and revert back to blades or small cavities

I had great success with TM hybrids this year.  Higher flight and I could control the distances nicely

Edited by rangersgoalie, 25 December 2016 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:16 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 25 December 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Merry Xmas all

Rangers .. I can relate ... tall, fat and obnoxious here

Turned 49 yesterday and feel even day of it after a 100 minute 18 holes yesterday and too much Brunello last night

My Q is this ... what was the weakest part of your game? Did it hold you back?

Head....
1) until I was older, I did not recognize my strengths, in particular ball striking
2) I have panic/anxiety disorder, and I talk often about playing golf with a full committee talking.  The greats have one voice, I had an auditorium

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:20 PM

View PostTMelectric, on 25 December 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Great thread. Thank you guys for doing this. I would like to know how Tiger Woods influenced or changed the atmosphere on the range for the pros. I have read that Tiger made the pros practice harder but find that a little hard to believe. Pros were wanting to win way before Tiger came along. Did you personally see a difference? I am betting it's the amount of money that increased after Tiger that motivated. Lol

Norman was probably a huge impact.
Tiger changed to direction of the game with his athleticism and length.

Tigers biggest impact, in my opinion, was he was the first player who when he was "on" could be everybody else's best.  Most of us, me included believed our best for four days (no small task) would win.  When Tiger arrived, that changed things.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:23 PM

Anxiety/panic just a golf/competition thing?  Ever find something that helps?  No need to answer if TMI, just have some issues myself.
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:28 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 25 December 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Merry Xmas all

Rangers .. I can relate ... tall, fat and obnoxious here

Turned 49 yesterday and feel even day of it after a 100 minute 18 holes yesterday and too much Brunello last night

My Q is this ... what was the weakest part of your game? Did it hold you back?

View PostTMelectric, on 25 December 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Great thread. Thank you guys for doing this. I would like to know how Tiger Woods influenced or changed the atmosphere on the range for the pros. I have read that Tiger made the pros practice harder but find that a little hard to believe. Pros were wanting to win way before Tiger came along. Did you personally see a difference? I am betting it's the amount of money that increased after Tiger that motivated. Lol

View Postsharkiesj, on 25 December 2016 - 12:14 PM, said:

Thank you so much, rangersgoalie, for your help with the Get A Grip foundation years ago at Cresta Verde and Hidden Valley.  

I want to ask you some questions that many of us here at Wrx would like to finally,as they say, bury the hatchet on, and get the real, straight from the tour perspective, so that these questions will never pop up on Wrx again:

1. What is your take on Am's that show up with a staff bag?

2. How do you feel when you see a 10+ handi with blades in their bag? Do you even look in someone else's bag? Do you even care?

3.  Did you get in on the Costco ball, Kirkland Signature craze?

View Postsharkiesj, on 25 December 2016 - 12:14 PM, said:

Thank you so much, rangersgoalie, for your help with the Get A Grip foundation years ago at Cresta Verde and Hidden Valley.  

I want to ask you some questions that many of us here at Wrx would like to finally,as they say, bury the hatchet on, and get the real, straight from the tour perspective, so that these questions will never pop up on Wrx again:

1. What is your take on Am's that show up with a staff bag?
Gifts..allowed
Tournament prize...allowed
Name on bag, trying too hard....better not hit too many bad ones or I'm going to be pretty obnoxious!  

2. How do you feel when you see a 10+ handi with blades in their bag? Do you even look in someone else's bag? Do you even care?
When I grew up caddying, it's all anyone had.   You're having fun with them I'm in.  If they don't fit, or keep you from reaching playing goals, I'd try to convince the player he's hurting self

3.  Did you get in on the Costco ball, Kirkland Signature craze?

You kidding? I still get s*** for free, so my price is better.  I do believe that Snell, Kirkland, Mig are going to impact the ball market a bit.  Will be interesting to see

Edited by rangersgoalie, 25 December 2016 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:30 PM

View Post*****le, on 25 December 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

Thank you for the thread. If that crusty old RP is involved it can't be all that bad :-)

Snowbird here in Palm Desert for the winter.

Where are you teaching out of?

Merry Christmas all!

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:32 PM

View Postmillerlitenice, on 25 December 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

do you still use the reverse taper grip scheme? took me hours to do those in the CG Tour Department with Newsome...

Yup
Sorry for that. Haha
My right hand is bigger than left, I'm screwed

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:36 PM

View Postmillerlitenice, on 25 December 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

do you still use the reverse taper grip scheme? took me hours to do those in the CG Tour Department with Newsome...

View Postswizbeatz, on 25 December 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

Anxiety/panic just a golf/competition thing?  Ever find something that helps?  No need to answer if TMI, just have some issues myself.

View Postswizbeatz, on 25 December 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

Anxiety/panic just a golf/competition thing?  Ever find something that helps?  No need to answer if TMI, just have some issues myself.

I chose breathing and relaxation techniques when younger, which was harder, but I was actively trying to avoid medications.

At 54 with less to worry, i take a very low dose of Lexapro.  It fixes a sleep problem and allows me to properly produce serotonin in sleep.  It's an occasional worry, like my MRI a month ago, bats were flying freely in the belfry,  but breathing, focusing....oh yeah, a BIGGER DOSE of meds got me through that crisis!

Edited by rangersgoalie, 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?

Edited by lumberman2462, 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:43 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?

Ooh, great question!


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:45 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?
I didn't play money games, I played early, checked course and got the hell out.  I hated 6 hour practice rounds.
Lanny was pretty well known.  Andy Bean always wanted to play for something but it wasn't crazy with me.
Phil wanted to bet on anything, but with me it was little things because I wasn't a big gambler and he was ok with that.
We had short game contests.  Challenges on hitting shots over or around trees...we actually played three holes in a practice round out of each other's bag.  Bones caddied for me,  my caddy for him.   I was two over to clip him by one!

Edited by rangersgoalie, 25 December 2016 - 03:45 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:50 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 25 December 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Great stuff there, Ranger.  

One other question....

Who was the best money player/gambler on Mon/Tues/Weds you encountered on Tour?
I didn't play money games, I played early, checked course and got the hell out.  I hated 6 hour practice rounds.
Lanny was pretty well known.  Andy Bean always wanted to play for something but it wasn't crazy with me.
Phil wanted to bet on anything, but with me it was little things because I wasn't a big gambler and he was ok with that.
We had short game contests.  Challenges on hitting shots over or around trees...we actually played three holes in a practice round out of each other's bag.  Bones caddied for me,  my caddy for him.   I was two over to clip him by one!

My golfing daughter has an unusual "hate" for Phil (but she was a Tiger lover before she was 5 years of age shortly after the time of the '97 Masters) so this story will be a nice little Xmas present for her as we wait for dinner. Older I get the more Phil grows on me.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:10 PM

When I got hurt back in late 90s
I got playing privileges at one of Phils clubs.
Played a bit with him, and he really tried to help me out a few times when
Things were not good after my wrist surgery.  
My opinion is he's a better guy in private than public.  Tries too hard to be perfect in public, and is a pretty normal
Smart a** locker room guy when I've been around him.

Of course, tell your daughter I am a Tiger fan...he treated me very well, and respectfully.
I'm tough to figure out

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:17 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 25 December 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

When I got hurt back in late 90s
I got playing privileges at one of Phils clubs.
Played a bit with him, and he really tried to help me out a few times when
Things were not good after my wrist surgery.  
My opinion is he's a better guy in private than public.  Tries too hard to be perfect in public, and is a pretty normal
Smart a** locker room guy when I've been around him.

Of course, tell your daughter I am a Tiger fan...he treated me very well, and respectfully.
I'm tough to figure out

Nice, thanks!

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:45 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 25 December 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

View Postlumberman2462, on 25 December 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Ranger...thanks for doing this.  

Aside from the obvious Big Names on Tour can you tell us of lesser known players who's talent really impressed you? And what was it about their game that was great?

View PostJonnyKrasnodar, on 25 December 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Hi,

Bit of a random question for me given the talk off lofts on irons at the moment in the equipment thread.

Have you ever used what are called GI clubs during an event and if so how did you find them? Is the distance they travel an issue or can you adjust accordingly?

View PostJonnyKrasnodar, on 25 December 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Hi,

Bit of a random question for me given the talk off lofts on irons at the moment in the equipment thread.

Have you ever used what are called GI clubs during an event and if so how did you find them? Is the distance they travel an issue or can you adjust accordingly?

Personally, I tried them, but my biggest difficulty golf wise was creating spin.  I had a lot of shaft lean, hit it pretty solid, and played well in windy conditions.
Going to GI clubs just made it tougher to control distances for me.  When eye twos were out, I used the long irons a lot, but those suckers could spin top flites
I would inevitably hit the newer irons too far and too inconsistently, and revert back to blades or small cavities

I had great success with TM hybrids this year.  Higher flight and I could control the distances nicely

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I guess it's hard for me to understand the spin issue being new to the game and consequently a high HCP that's gone from 131 first medal to 93 at the end of my first full season.

I just think if you know they'll spin less people will adjust to them. But I went from halfway through the season knowing my distances when struck to randomly getting an extra 10-15 yards as my swing improved more often than not and having to start again but then taking less club and coming up short.

I guess a follow up question have GI clubs been good or bad for golf? I've hit blades and hit them ok. At the moment my issues stem from a chronically slow swing speed so they don't go anywhere for me and in that respect the GI clubs help me a lot. Obviously as I continue with lessons and bringing my scores down it should increase but I think blades don't always look as good as other clubs. Personal taste. But do you think all folks should learn on blades?


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:51 PM

Thank you Mr. Burke for taking the time to answer questions and share your knowledge. And thank you to RP as well for getting this thing together! Merry Christmas!


If you were assessing a student who has aspirations of playing professionally what (in your opinion) would be the most important attribute that player should have?
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:00 PM

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 25 December 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

Thank you Mr. Burke for taking the time to answer questions and share your knowledge. And thank you to RP as well for getting this thing together! Merry Christmas!


If you were assessing a student who has aspirations of playing professionally what (in your opinion) would be the most important attribute that player should have?

Heck, you have to be either very well balanced in the game, or excel in a couple areas.  
Short memory helps!  Putting bad shots behind and trusting what you've worked on after a bad run is huge.  I've seen a lot of good players hit a couple bad shots and start trying something different, exposing a lack of belief in what they've been doing.

When getting to the highest levels, the ability to focus on your entire process...practice,schedule, fitness, home course management is huge.  Watching a guy like Duval at his best, Tiger when he started, and many others, their talent was obvious, but their focus on every task related to competing was staggering

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:01 PM

View Postnikegal, on 25 December 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Merry Christmas Patrick :) Many thanks yo you and the guys for entertaining Richard today. I have been with both of our families and am heading to the hospital in a bit to celebrate with him. I was dreading today for him but as always, you all were his friends and shrinks, lolol. Thank you :) fondly, Maddie

Honestly, I'm doing this for Richard, and to give him a kick in the pants in his road to recovery.
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:17 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 25 December 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 25 December 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

Thank you Mr. Burke for taking the time to answer questions and share your knowledge. And thank you to RP as well for getting this thing together! Merry Christmas!


If you were assessing a student who has aspirations of playing professionally what (in your opinion) would be the most important attribute that player should have?

Heck, you have to be either very well balanced in the game, or excel in a couple areas.  
Short memory helps!  Putting bad shots behind and trusting what you've worked on after a bad run is huge.  I've seen a lot of good players hit a couple bad shots and start trying something different, exposing a lack of belief in what they've been doing.

When getting to the highest levels, the ability to focus on your entire process...practice,schedule, fitness, home course management is huge.  Watching a guy like Duval at his best, Tiger when he started, and many others, their talent was obvious, but their focus on every task related to competing was staggering

Thank you for the insight! One aspect (I'm sure there are a few more haha) I feel has held me back is believing/trusting in the swing/game I bring to the course. I'm gonna guess the best players understand they'll hit some bad ones and stick with the game plan and their game.

When your in competition do you have any swing keys? Or do you just focus on the target and not give your swing much thought.
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:23 PM

View Postnikegal, on 25 December 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Merry Christmas Patrick :) Many thanks to you and the guys for entertaining Richard today. I have been with both of our families and am heading to the hospital in a bit to celebrate with him. I was dreading today for him but as always, you all were his friends and shrinks, lolol. Thank you :) fondly, Maddie

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 25 December 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

Thank you Mr. Burke for taking the time to answer questions and share your knowledge. And thank you to RP as well for getting this thing together! Merry Christmas!


If you were assessing a student who has aspirations of playing professionally what (in your opinion) would be the most important attribute that player should have?

At my best ball striking I was very visual.  I would see the ball flight I wanted a do my damndest to create that.
I sometimes had A(1) swing key in those good times.

When I had swing thoughts going, I was usually working towards something.  I would play ok at times, but it was much tougher.
Something that had to be done when trying to improve though

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:31 PM

View Postnikegal, on 25 December 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Merry Christmas Patrick :) Many thanks to you and the guys for entertaining Richard today. I have been with both of our families and am heading to the hospital in a bit to celebrate with him. I was dreading today for him but as always, you all were his friends and shrinks, lolol. Thank you :) fondly, Maddie

Give him a big ol' hey from Steve in MD. Get him outta there soon.. merry X mas.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:37 PM

Awesome, my last question (for today lol) :)  Next year I'll be traveling to play a regional AM tournament, last time I went I made a scheduling error and didn't even get a full practice round in.

How many times did you like to get out on the course when preparing for a tournament? And did you play just 9 at a time or full 18.  What would your process be for playing a practice round, assuming your by yourself not Pro-AM style.

Again, thank you for taking the time to answer questions and share your knowledge!

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 05:45 PM

View Postrangersgoalie, on 25 December 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

View Postnikegal, on 25 December 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Merry Christmas Patrick :) Many thanks yo you and the guys for entertaining Richard today. I have been with both of our families and am heading to the hospital in a bit to celebrate with him. I was dreading today for him but as always, you all were his friends and shrinks, lolol. Thank you :) fondly, Maddie

Honestly, I'm doing this for Richard, and to give him a kick in the pants in his road to recovery.
If it makes him smile....victory!!
It definitely gave him a boost and he did it for the guys on the board. He has been very fortunate to have gotten to meet, play with and befriend some tour players and he feels very strongly that all of these guys in here deserve to talk with a real legitimate tour pro who they can put a face and name to. He has this thing about anonymity and I know him using his name and picture has cost him two good clients, but one thing about Richard is if he believes in something, win lose or draw, he stands on those beliefs. He believes in these guys and you. THAT makes him smile(me too :) ). It is definitely a victory!! Fondly, Madison

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 09:14 PM

Cool thread. Thanks to you and Richard.

My question is what was in your bag when you came 11th at Bay Hill in 1996? Burner Bubble?

Edited by WolfWRX, 25 December 2016 - 09:15 PM.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 09:27 PM

View Postnikegal, on 25 December 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Merry Christmas Patrick :) Many thanks to you and the guys for entertaining Richard today. I have been with both of our families and am heading to the hospital in a bit to celebrate with him. I was dreading today for him but as always, you all were his friends and shrinks, lolol. Thank you :) fondly, Maddie
Please pass on my well wishes to Richard, and to you, as well. I always look forward to his posts. The hospital is a lousy place to spend Christmas, and I hope his health improves soon.


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