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This little book transformed my short game in days


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 12:49 PM

Thx for the tip


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:10 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 21 December 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

Haven't read the book, but having people release the head/eyes in the pitching/chipping game is huge and something I use often.

So many people butcher shots around the green keeping their head down because of the myth of bladed shots are from looking up.

I haven't used the eye thing, I just make sure I accelerate through the shot and end up facing the target. Wish I had a Kindle though, would like to read this.
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:13 PM

View Postjuststeve, on 22 December 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Good players are target oriented when they swing the club.  Poor players are ball oriented.  Releasing the eyes and head promotes target orientation.

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They are also having multiple swing thoughts.
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:26 PM

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

View Postjuststeve, on 22 December 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Good players are target oriented when they swing the club.  Poor players are ball oriented.  Releasing the eyes and head promotes target orientation.

Steve

They are also having multiple swing thoughts.

Both of which are eliminated if using his method.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:05 PM

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 21 December 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

Haven't read the book, but having people release the head/eyes in the pitching/chipping game is huge and something I use often.

So many people butcher shots around the green keeping their head down because of the myth of bladed shots are from looking up.

I haven't used the eye thing, I just make sure I accelerate through the shot and end up facing the target. Wish I had a Kindle though, would like to read this.

If you own a smartphone, tablet you have a Kindle via the Kindle app.


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:07 PM

View PostJersey golfer, on 30 December 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

View Postjuststeve, on 22 December 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Good players are target oriented when they swing the club.  Poor players are ball oriented.  Releasing the eyes and head promotes target orientation.

Steve

They are also having multiple swing thoughts.

Both of which are eliminated if using his method.

I can do it with chips and pitches, but the swing thought thing is still involved in my full swing. Working very hard on that aspect. You have to trust your swing.

Edited by Sean2, 30 December 2016 - 02:08 PM.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:08 PM

View Postjut111, on 30 December 2016 - 02:05 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 21 December 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

Haven't read the book, but having people release the head/eyes in the pitching/chipping game is huge and something I use often.

So many people butcher shots around the green keeping their head down because of the myth of bladed shots are from looking up.

I haven't used the eye thing, I just make sure I accelerate through the shot and end up facing the target. Wish I had a Kindle though, would like to read this.

If you own a smartphone, tablet you have a Kindle via the Kindle app.

Didn't know there was a Kindle app...many thanks!
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:10 PM

No problem. Never understood how they sell kindles given that...

Edited by jut111, 30 December 2016 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:11 PM

View Postjut111, on 30 December 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

No problem. Never understood how they sell kindles given that...

I was wondering the same thing when you told me about the app.
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:48 PM

View PostPing-anser, on 30 December 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

View Postsjsdogsrule, on 22 December 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Curious if anyone looked at his other book on the full golf swing?

I have both books and thought the short game one was great. Improved my short game dramatically. However, for the full swing, I am confused. He suggests you turn your shoulders on a very vertical plane, such that it would be parallel to a club shaft touching your right toes and one inch forward of your left toes. And then he says that you should turn your shoulders vertically so that a club shaft across your shoulders would not have the left shoulder go out over the shaft on the ground. To do this as he describes, you would have to tilt your shoulders vs turning them. But if you look at the photos, he appears to be making a "normal" shoulder plane turn that is no where near vertical. Not flat but certainly not vertical.  And he appears to have a shoulder turn that is 90 degrees to the spine, as is recommended by virtually most (all?) instructors, not vertical as he says in his descriptions.

So for those of you who have read the full swing book, is he describing the move poorly and he is just trying to get a more vertical shoulder turn vs a flat shoulder turn, or am I just not understanding this?

Thanks to  anyone who has any insight into this.

The writer says the predominant backswing problem for amateurs is too flat of a shoulder plane in the backswing resulting in taking the club too far inside.  His simple backswing visualization recommendation results in the right shoulder going up and back while the lead shoulder goes down. I think it's a clever shortcut and works.


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:48 PM

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

View Postjut111, on 30 December 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

No problem. Never understood how they sell kindles given that...

I was wondering the same thing when you told me about the app.

I have the kindle app on my Mac. It's OK given it's free. Downloaded it specifically to read this book.
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Posted 31 December 2016 - 06:18 AM

View PostPing-anser, on 30 December 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

View Postsjsdogsrule, on 22 December 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Curious if anyone looked at his other book on the full golf swing?

I have both books and thought the short game one was great. Improved my short game dramatically. However, for the full swing, I am confused. He suggests you turn your shoulders on a very vertical plane, such that it would be parallel to a club shaft touching your right toes and one inch forward of your left toes. And then he says that you should turn your shoulders vertically so that a club shaft across your shoulders would not have the left shoulder go out over the shaft on the ground. To do this as he describes, you would have to tilt your shoulders vs turning them. But if you look at the photos, he appears to be making a "normal" shoulder plane turn that is no where near vertical. Not flat but certainly not vertical.  And he appears to have a shoulder turn that is 90 degrees to the spine, as is recommended by virtually most (all?) instructors, not vertical as he says in his descriptions.

So for those of you who have read the full swing book, is he describing the move poorly and he is just trying to get a more vertical shoulder turn vs a flat shoulder turn, or am I just not understanding this?

Thanks to  anyone who has any insight into this.
I'm pretty sure it is  more of a "feel" than an actual position he is trying to achieve.  I agree with him that many hcp players have too flat a shoulder turn, myself included.  So if you "feel" that you are that vertical you will probably be just about to where a good ball striker would be.  I know with my own swing that when I move something in the backswing 1/4" it feels like about a foot.  The danger of course is over doing it and eventually getting too vertical a shoulder turn.  That is why it is always good to occasionally have either video, or someone with a practiced eye, to take a look at your swing and give an evaluation of just what is going on.  We all know feel isn't real.

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:58 AM

View PostSean2, on 30 December 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

View Postjut111, on 30 December 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

No problem. Never understood how they sell kindles given that...

I was wondering the same thing when you told me about the app.
Much much easier on the eyes to use the kindle, especially now that they have the paperwhite.   But photos don't transfer well sometimes to e-ink.   Obviously video does not transfer well.  But 100/100 I would rather read it on my kindle than on my phone or iPad.

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 11:50 AM

I haven't read the book but I tested out the idea of "follow the ball" in the through swing. Yes - it works nicely. Helps me turn properly.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:42 PM

Bought it last night and took it to the range. Worked very well for me up to about 85 yards. Feels weird at first but it improved my consistency from a 6 to about an 8.5 on a scale of 10. Gonna keep at it to see if it's just a bandaid or if it's a long term fix.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 02:41 PM

Tried it on the course this weekend and shanked two short pitches on par 5s which ruined what would have otherwise been a good round for me. I think I'm getting the forward weight shift wrong and am actually sliding left too much.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 04:16 PM

Bought the book and read it in one sitting.  It is excellent.  I usually read my Kindle books on my Kindle device, but this was much better on my IPAD because of the photos.  I went to an indoor golf range and practiced some chips and pitches and really liked it.  I think there are two things that make this method stand out: 1) The setup takes the guess work out of it. From stance, to ball position, to shaft lean or lack thereof, it is all laid out with words and great photos; 2) Following the ball with your eyes.  Can't wait to take it to the course.  Well worth the price. Thank you to the OP!

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 04:53 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 21 December 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

Haven't read the book, but having people release the head/eyes in the pitching/chipping game is huge and something I use often.

So many people butcher shots around the green keeping their head down because of the myth of bladed shots are from looking up.

Yes, yes, 1,000 times yes!!

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:08 PM

This is fascinating. Tried it, really impressed with the results. It's counter-intuitive, but allowing your head to move towards the target really encourages a smooth swing.

Putzing around in the backyard, I actually just stopped worrying about the ball entirely, and when starting the downswing I would smoothly look to the target. The results were startling. My ball path was consistent, my distance control was very good, the contact was consistent and I finished with perfect posture.

It's weird, and it's all backyard so far, but I'm digging the technique.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:38 PM

Last night I saw a vid of Graeme MacDowell hitting a 4 iron dtl.  Terribly athletic motion.  The moment he made contact his head naturally followed the ball.  Impressive finish and overall balance.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:12 PM

How would you compare this to Pelz's Short Game Bible? Which would you read first having read neither of them?

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:32 PM

View PostDLev45, on 05 January 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

How would you compare this to Pelz's Short Game Bible? Which would you read first having read neither of them?

I read Pelz's Short Game Bible and many others including Sieckman, Utley etc etc and now wish that I had only read this little book of Tamayo.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 06:41 AM

Watch Jimmy Walker pitching at Kapalua - his head is turning well before he hits the ball. And he is pitching it beautifully.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:42 AM

I need to get my wife to get this for me.  She has the A prime acct.  OP ... thx for the tip.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:16 AM

Thanks Golfbeat for the heads up.

Tried it for the first time today at the range practising mostly 50 yd shots and it worked beautifully. Weather was bad so didn't get chance to try it around the green but half a dozen shorter shots on the range came off well.

Bought the book on the main swing at the same time. For those who bought the short game book and are wondering about his other book he promotes;

Set up - Upper arms connected to chest, inner side of elbows pointing upwards, think Hogan 5s
   - Soft hands

Backswing - thinks most folks rotate too shallow and need to be more vertical

Downswing - thinks most folks lose lag in the backswing but should increase lag using the inertia of the club. Not sure how sound this aspect is. Nothing wrong with it theory, pondering this.
   - begin your downswing thinking only of moving your trail elbow towards the trail hip. Same as Hardys RIT release  but less comprehensive.

Overall he is promoting a one plane swing.

For the full swing I'm sticking to the my lessons with Dan W (see his Reduce the Timing in your Swing videos) supplemented by Hardys RIT release which seems the same as DWs approach. Having good results on the range.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:30 AM

View PostDLev45, on 05 January 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

How would you compare this to Pelz's Short Game Bible? Which would you read first having read neither of them?

Pelz is a researcher, essentially. You get a lot of interesting stuff. Always good, but not so much a simple "do as I do"  method.

Utley is well worth a read. Learned a lot from him, and easy to understand and put into practice.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:00 AM

Additional feel whilst practicing: right hand is completely in charge, left hand is passive and is just slightly pushing down on the shaft. Just see the ball going to the target without any technical thoughts. Finally freedom.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:44 PM

View PostGolfbeat, on 06 January 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

Additional feel whilst practicing: right hand is completely in charge, left hand is passive and is just slightly pushing down on the shaft. Just see the ball going to the target without any technical thoughts. Finally freedom.
That's an interesting thought. To clarify are you talking about applying pressure as if you were attempting to stick the tip of the shaft into the ground or are you talking about pressure as if you were trying to push the butt end of the grip to the ground?
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:09 PM

View PostTanner25, on 21 December 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 21 December 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

Haven't read the book, but having people release the head/eyes in the pitching/chipping game is huge and something I use often.

So many people butcher shots around the green keeping their head down because of the myth of bladed shots are from looking up.

+1 Just practiced with it and the ball comes up rather easily. It reminds me of a recent Rocco video that someone posted where he walks through the chip shot (a la Player's full swing move) and said you don't keep your head down. Never heard of this before. A short game secret :-) ...pretty cool!

Jimmy Ballard taught Rocco that move.  Very simple.


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