GreenGrassEvaluations, on 12 October 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:
mtg, on 09 October 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:
TollBros, on 09 October 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:
mtg, on 08 October 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:
Earlier in this thread it was stated that the Orange being released to the broader public is the V3, which was said to be a counterbalanced version of the Tensei White. The Orange being released by MRC has a completely different profile than the white. Just curious how to square this circle. Is the one being released closer to the V2? Was the V3 never really a CB white, but a different shaft altogether? Or what.. anyone know?
This thread is a year old. Profiles change, things evolve, etc. To answer your question, the Pro Orange was said to be a counterbanced pro white in terms of PERFORMANCE. As in launch and spin characteristics, nobody ever said they have the same precise EI profile. That statement is still generally true.
I have no idea what the age of the thread has to do with it. As far as I know MRC has only released one Tensei orange to the public. That's the one that was being referred to in he thread.. correct me if I'm wrong.
And I've never heard of shafts being referred to as the same because hey have similar launch characteristics. I might launch and spin X100s the same as PX 6.5s: they aren't the same. And as everyone knows on this site, launch and spin vary swing to swing, so why anyone would use that as the identifier for a shaft is strange.
First off JT is on vacation this week so I doubt he will log on before Monday. I believe JT's point was, the Pro Orange was a prototype not yet released to the public when this thread was made. Companies make alterations to profiles all the time and you can't take a comment based on prototypes and then, a year later, try to scrutinize that comment based on things that became facts over that period of time. The profile of Pro Orange changed many times over it's evolution of prototypes from V1 to V2, to a couple different iterations of V3 before the final version was released to the public. We do EI graphing and extensive testing of anything JT would comment on, so if he made a comment, at that moment in time, it was certainly 100% correct. If that profile took an evolution that changed that made the comment slightly off, that's hardly something you can criticize someone on a year later, out of context. Hopefully that clears up any confusion you might have. -Keith
All I'm saying is you can't both be right. One person is making fairly unequivocal remarks about soon to be released shafts. Then when those comments turn out to be wrong you just claim, "oh profiles change, prototypes are just prototypes." Well then don't tell people things you can't be sure of.
In case you need to see his comment again, here it is.
TollBros, on 09 December 2016 - 02:57 AM, said:
You're welcome. As for orange, if released it will be V3, which is a cb version of white, and is the shaft Fowler plays. V2 will remain Tour only.
What's really funny is I was just posting this to the forum to get some good answers. Since what was claimed was logically impossible I just wanted to know what the old V3 prototype was. Maybe it was a counterbalanced White and MRC changed it before release. Maybe the orange being released wasn't the V3 at all, but something closer to the V2. All i knew was that the one available commercially isn't a counterbalanced white and since I am interested in this minutia and might actually buy an Orange at some point I wanted to get to the bottom of it. He came back with all the defensiveness. Just admit you made a mistake.. and learn from it. Its really not a big deal.
One other note, how on earth is my question out of context? It seems pretty smack dab in the middle of context to me.
Edited by mtg, 12 October 2017 - 11:14 PM.