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#31 prsgtrman

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 08:06 AM

so i subscribed to mikes johnston's lessons via the web. what a great site.

right now im working on developing handspeed, got my 16th note single strokes  up to 120 bpm and my double stroke roll is picking up speed as well.

ive found that my footspeed is horrible. working on doubles, just horrible.

i think the wife got me a snare drum for christmas. i was eyeing a pearl freefloating snare on craigslist that was a smoking deal.. i think she picked it up.


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:52 PM

View Postprsgtrman, on 02 December 2016 - 08:06 AM, said:

so i subscribed to mikes johnston's lessons via the web. what a great site.

right now im working on developing handspeed, got my 16th note single strokes  up to 120 bpm and my double stroke roll is picking up speed as well.

ive found that my footspeed is horrible. working on doubles, just horrible.

i think the wife got me a snare drum for christmas. i was eyeing a pearl freefloating snare on craigslist that was a smoking deal.. i think she picked it up.

Free-floater? For set work? Interesting... I've seen them for orchestral and concert, as well as they are basically required for today's marching arts. However, I cannot say I've heard of a free floating snare for set.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 08:29 PM

I'm a much better golfer than drummer but I love to play. I started when I was about 7 and don't get to spend a lot of time practicing. A couple of friends and I have a band and we get together and jam sometimes. This is my kit.

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 02:27 AM

Hi y'all madrummers.  Just thought I'd say hi and support this thread.  I'm not a drummer myself, but I like a skilled drummer in any genre of music.  My favorites are Danny Carey from Tool and Trilok Gurtu.  I've seen both live.  I also loved the movie Whiplash.

My first experience actually drumming in a band was in jr. high band class.  I was playing french horn and the bass drummer kept messing up some Sousa march we were practicing.  The teacher got pi$$ed and basically told him to get out of the way and let me play.  LOL that was the first time that I ever saw bass drum sheet music, but I managed.  The teacher then thanked me and had me go back to horn.  

Anyway, drums rock.  Cool thread, Hammer.  And drummers make good golfers because they have good rhythm.
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Posted 03 December 2016 - 03:28 AM

View PostDeNinny, on 03 December 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

Hi y'all madrummers.  Just thought I'd say hi and support this thread.  I'm not a drummer myself, but I like a skilled drummer in any genre of music.  My favorites are Danny Carey from Tool and Trilok Gurtu.  I've seen both live.  I also loved the movie Whiplash.

My first experience actually drumming in a band was in jr. high band class.  I was playing french horn and the bass drummer kept messing up some Sousa march we were practicing.  The teacher got pi$$ed and basically told him to get out of the way and let me play.  LOL that was the first time that I ever saw bass drum sheet music, but I managed.  The teacher then thanked me and had me go back to horn.  

Anyway, drums rock.  Cool thread, Hammer.  And drummers make good golfers because they have good rhythm.

Trilok Gurtu is phenomenal. Impressed to see him mentioned on Golfwrx.

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 03:42 AM

View Postrainkingjr, on 03 December 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

Trilok Gurtu is phenomenal. Impressed to see him mentioned on Golfwrx.

Yes he is amazing.  My wife is a musician and turned me onto him.  We saw him play live at Yoshi's in Oakland, CA.  Such a great performance and concert.  You can't help but move and groove while you listen to him play.  So creative and original.  Also his passion for playing is palpable as you watch him.  And lastly he interacts with the audience like an old friend.
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Posted 03 December 2016 - 03:57 AM

Trilok is definitely one of the mind blowers!

Nice to see you drop in Ninja!!!

@bub72ck, that is a sweet kit!!! How are those 15" 602's?? The 2002 24" ride is a dream to play, I love the rebound, great stick definition but a full bodied tone. I'm not a fan of bright pingy rides so the 2002 series is a nice clear but mellow series IMO. My buddy has one and I always ask him to sell it to me when I see him. I'm a ride cymbal HO!.

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Nice to hear your improving, speed will come. Like golf it's about technique and relaxation. Tension, and bad technique equal slow haha. Also, make sure your grip is good too, find the balance point of the stick. Let the stick work for you. I'm sure Mike Johnston has all this in his vids haha
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Posted 03 December 2016 - 04:08 AM

By the way, Hambooger, I saw earlier posts about playing on cruise ships...My brother in-law plays drums and also is the leader of his band and he did the cruise ship contract thing for years.  In the process, he did pretty well, met great people, ate good food, saw the world, and eventually met his now wife.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 04:14 PM

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Trilok is definitely one of the mind blowers!

Nice to see you drop in Ninja!!!

@bub72ck, that is a sweet kit!!! How are those 15" 602's?? The 2002 24" ride is a dream to play, I love the rebound, great stick definition but a full bodied tone. I'm not a fan of bright pingy rides so the 2002 series is a nice clear but mellow series IMO. My buddy has one and I always ask him to sell it to me when I see him. I'm a ride cymbal HO!.

@Prsgtrman,
Nice to hear your improving, speed will come. Like golf it's about technique and relaxation. Tension, and bad technique equal slow haha. Also, make sure your grip is good too, find the balance point of the stick. Let the stick work for you. I'm sure Mike Johnston has all this in his vids haha

The 602s are the most buttery soft (that term gets used a lot on WRX haha) cymbals I've ever played. These are pre-serials from the late 60's and they are so sweet. I tried a lot of rides and settled on the Rev. Al version. It's a nice mix of the traditional 2002 ride  but better crashability. The Giant Beat ride is cool too but a little too washy for my taste.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 05:29 PM

If I ever buy another pair of hi hats it'll be some 15's, probably Paiste, and most likely 602's lol!

I'd imagine the Giant Beat series is more washy, the 2002 my buddy has was from one of those 2002 cymbal sets, gotta say though that thing is the perfect amount of stick definition, cut, mellow body, shimmer, slight building wash (controllable though which is cool) and crashable if you feel like.

Nice Supraphonic BTW

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 07:49 PM

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 04 December 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

If I ever buy another pair of hi hats it'll be some 15's, probably Paiste, and most likely 602's lol!

I'd imagine the Giant Beat series is more washy, the 2002 my buddy has was from one of those 2002 cymbal sets, gotta say though that thing is the perfect amount of stick definition, cut, mellow body, shimmer, slight building wash (controllable though which is cool) and crashable if you feel like.

Nice Supraphonic BTW

Thanks. I'd love to have the 6.5" LM402 sometime. This one is from 1968. A friend of mine gave it to me when he stopped playing the drums.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:09 PM

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View PostPalauan Hammer, on 04 December 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

If I ever buy another pair of hi hats it'll be some 15's, probably Paiste, and most likely 602's lol!

I'd imagine the Giant Beat series is more washy, the 2002 my buddy has was from one of those 2002 cymbal sets, gotta say though that thing is the perfect amount of stick definition, cut, mellow body, shimmer, slight building wash (controllable though which is cool) and crashable if you feel like.

Nice Supraphonic BTW

Thanks. I'd love to have the 6.5" LM402 sometime. This one is from 1968. A friend of mine gave it to me when he stopped playing the drums.

6.5 402 is a classic, and I think is the most recorded snare drum in history. I would, like you prefer a 6.5, but I'd gladly play a 5.5 too! Excellent choice.

If I were to drop some coin for a snare these days I might grab a Cannopus Zelkova in 14 x 6.5. Also I've always been a Yamaha guy so I'd like a Steve Jordan signature and an Elvin Jones signature. When I start gigging again I'll save the gig money and get something.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:16 PM

Stumbled on to this drummer on youtube a year ago, really like his style. Carter McLean.

This is the kind of stuff I love playing, I love brushes, love Christmas music too. This guy is pretty nifty with the brushes, thought I'd share. Nice George Way kit he's using too.


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Posted 07 December 2016 - 05:30 PM

guys can yall check this url out and make sure i transcribed it correctly before i learn it.

https://goo.gl/jOkh7a

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 07:24 PM

View Postprsgtrman, on 07 December 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

guys can yall check this url out and make sure i transcribed it correctly before i learn it.

https://goo.gl/jOkh7a

Sounds good to me, and that was one of the first hi-hop beats I learned on the drums too. That and "Gangsta Party" from 2Pac

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 09:43 PM

cool thanks i wrote that in groove scribe. do yo angle your snare up at all or keep it flat.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 06:01 AM

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cool thanks i wrote that in groove scribe. do yo angle your snare up at all or keep it flat.

I play my toms slightly angled, almost completely flat. My snare and floor tom are actually angled/tilted away from me. I set up my drums to give me to most efficient movement possible. I also set up everything kinda low too, for instance my cymbals are all below my shoulders as I sit on the throne. Again, part of gigging in tiny clubs and having to play in challenging volume situations.

Good job on the transcription, I can really read music but my ear is well trained LOL. As you get better at the basic "So fresh and so clean" groove be sure to try adding the accents on the hi-hat. I played in a hip-hop cover band for 3 years, it was a great leaning experience for me. To learn how to really play a SOLID groove, accurately, without adding a ton of fills or accents.
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Posted 08 December 2016 - 06:05 AM

Thanks to this thread it has re-kindled the flame with the drums and I've started practicing and playing again. 2 hours everyday, played a bunch of stuff today. Wish I had some equipment to record a cover or two for you all. I firmly believe that drumming and golf go together, and when I do both I'm better at both. Mind/body awareness and connection!
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Posted 08 December 2016 - 08:56 AM

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Thanks to this thread it has re-kindled the flame with the drums and I've started practicing and playing again. 2 hours everyday, played a bunch of stuff today. Wish I had some equipment to record a cover or two for you all. I firmly believe that drumming and golf go together, and when I do both I'm better at both. Mind/body awareness and connection!

hey if you run out of creative ways to practice i would definitely pay 30 bux for a month at mikes lessons. the amount of content on that site is staggering and its well organized. i think in addition to the pre-packaged lessons (hand speed, foot speed, grooves, fills, independence and rudiments) there are 1300 "live lessons".

fwiw the pre-package lessons are all done by skill so hand speed alone has six beginner courses, six intermediate courses, six advanced and six pro courses, again all for hand speed.

another good feature of the "live lessons" is to be able to filter by skill. the live lessons range from snare drum reviews to implied metric modulation(i dont even know what that is haha)

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 10:26 AM

Being a  senior citizen, I would now say that I am a former drummer, its been decades since I did anything in public so to speak.  My Federation card expired a long time ago. Before I would do so again, I would need to spend at least 3 to 4 hours on the throne every day for at least a year--it's a pride thing.   Back in the day, my experience basically was studio and clubs, before the advent of the DJ.   A memory I will take to the grave was the opportunity to jam with the Funk Brothers--Bongo Brown showed me some Conga techniques.

One of my favorite drummers was Carl Palmer of Emerson, Lake and Palmer.   Listen, I mean really listen, to Palmer on their version of Lucky Man.   But if you really want to talk drummers, in my opinion one of the best is Billy Cobham.  Man is he crisp with a hand speed like no other.  

While I would never put him in the category of those I mentioned, when I was a youngster, I had every album made by  Sandy Nelson.   I basically lived through "Birth of the Beat" and "Let There Be Drums".

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 05:15 PM

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View PostPalauan Hammer, on 08 December 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

Thanks to this thread it has re-kindled the flame with the drums and I've started practicing and playing again. 2 hours everyday, played a bunch of stuff today. Wish I had some equipment to record a cover or two for you all. I firmly believe that drumming and golf go together, and when I do both I'm better at both. Mind/body awareness and connection!

hey if you run out of creative ways to practice i would definitely pay 30 bux for a month at mikes lessons. the amount of content on that site is staggering and its well organized. i think in addition to the pre-packaged lessons (hand speed, foot speed, grooves, fills, independence and rudiments) there are 1300 "live lessons".

fwiw the pre-package lessons are all done by skill so hand speed alone has six beginner courses, six intermediate courses, six advanced and six pro courses, again all for hand speed.

another good feature of the "live lessons" is to be able to filter by skill. the live lessons range from snare drum reviews to implied metric modulation(i dont even know what that is haha)

I'll have to check it out, I always just gigged was never really the practice type. But I'm just thinking about how much better I could be with a little effort and some direction. I'll check out Mikes site, I enjoy his stuff I find on youtube. I'm not too sure on "implied snare metric modulation" but I would imagine it's when you start moving the downbeat in order to create the illusion of the time signature changing.
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Posted 08 December 2016 - 05:33 PM

View Postpriceless, on 08 December 2016 - 10:26 AM, said:

Being a  senior citizen, I would now say that I am a former drummer, its been decades since I did anything in public so to speak.  My Federation card expired a long time ago. Before I would do so again, I would need to spend at least 3 to 4 hours on the throne every day for at least a year--it's a pride thing.   Back in the day, my experience basically was studio and clubs, before the advent of the DJ.   A memory I will take to the grave was the opportunity to jam with the Funk Brothers--Bongo Brown showed me some Conga techniques.

One of my favorite drummers was Carl Palmer of Emerson, Lake and Palmer.   Listen, I mean really listen, to Palmer on their version of Lucky Man.   But if you really want to talk drummers, in my opinion one of the best is Billy Cobham.  Man is he crisp with a hand speed like no other.  

While I would never put him in the category of those I mentioned, when I was a youngster, I had every album made by  Sandy Nelson.   I basically lived through "Birth of the Beat" and "Let There Be Drums".

Once a drummer, always a drummer! I'm sure the rust would come flying off if you sat on the throne.

I completely envy you!!! Jamming with the Funk Brothers and  conga techniques form Bongo Brown!! The music that the Funk Brothers put it is some of my favorite and the number of hits is absolutely staggering. As a matter of fact Motown is my go-to music when I'm warming up for a golf tournament, puts me in a happy happy mood everytime. I really became immersed in the music when I was hired to drum for a Motown themed Make a  Wish foundation event out here. I really have a lot respect for the music they created. Timeless.

Carl Palmer is indeed a great drummer, as is Billy Cobham. Cobham's "Stratus" is one I play every now and then (or try to LOL) There are sooooo many great drummers it's ridiculous, I could make a list probably of a 100 and I'd be forgetting another 200. I taught myself by listening, and learned about all things drums by reading Modern Drummer magazine religiously every single month from 2002-2012.

A couple of masters here .....




And of course Vinnie Colaiuta here drumming for the great Jeff Beck. Jason Rebello on keyboards, and a wonderful bass player Tal Wilkenfeld, great bass solo in this one. Nice groove from Vinnie as well.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 05:43 PM

Just wanted this the groove/song I'm learning. It's kinda tricky, it's in 6/8, the snare is on "uh" of 3 (1,2,3,UH, 4,5,6). The type of groove is called "Magabu" and it's from Cameroon Africa. This is probably one of my favorite tunes from the Yellowjackets, "Capetown". Will Kennedy is on the drums here, one of my biggest influences for sure. Funny thing is when I finally saw a video of him playing I realized we both play open handed lol. Billy Cobham plays open handed, Carter Beauford (Dave Mathews Band) also play open handed. Of course I stumbled on playing open handed because I'm left handed but right footed.



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Posted 08 December 2016 - 11:43 PM

Nice groove, Hamboogs.  After you master that, try and hop aboard this smoooth Trilok Gurtu train...



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Posted 21 December 2016 - 09:09 PM

Wow, how did I miss this thread? I've been a pro drummer for years, although I haven't really done much in the last few because I switched job paths.

Back in the 90's I earned Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Jazz Studies and drumset performance. Completely useless, but it was fun as hell and got me a lot of contacts and opportunities in college teaching. Learned a lot of things that made golf a lot easier too. My teachers were Steve Grover (who just passed), Leon Anderson (drummer for Ellis Marsalis), and Winard Harper (of the Harper Brothers). I also got another Master's degree in Music Education and bounced back and forth between public school and higher education for about 12 years.

Ah, to be young and naive. Thank you 9/11, for a sobering end to an aspiring musical career...

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 09:30 PM



What I'm listening to currently^.

One of my favorite trio records was this one from Pat Metheny, Dave Holland and Roy Haynes. I saw Roy play twice, once with his own group at the University of Maine when I was working there, and again at Sculler's in Boston with Danilo Perez and John Patitucci. That one got recorded and released as a CD. I was sitting within arm's reach of Danilo Perez at the piano. Roy was about 82 at the time (he's 92 now), and was killing it. Danilo turned to me at one point and said, "Roy Haynes is soooo bad..." (meaning good).

Roy played with Luis Russell, Charlie Parker, and Lester Young back in the 40's, and almost every single major jazz artist in the years since. If you don't know about this guy you owe it to yourself to check him out while he is still with us.

Another of my favorites is Jack DeJohnette. I hate his sound, but like what he plays (don't mind the piano player):


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 11:11 PM

Mad!!! Glad you made it Brother!!!!

The stuff your listening to is right up my alley, I had no idea you went to school and everything. I knew you were a pro though.

Roy Haynes is one bad dude! I have his signature snare actually, great sounding snare. Also, I'm a big fan of Jack DeJohnette, and have some Keith Jarret stuff on my ipod. Jacks "Musical Expression on the Drum set" was a good one for me, I still have it.

Danillo Perez is a monster as well, his work with Horacio Hernanadez on the drums is some good stuff too.

And of course Metheny, I'll never forget the first time I heard his playing, very very distinctive tone. Interesting side note is I met his trumpet player last time I was in Seattle Cuong Vu, cool dude, along with Dafnis Prieto who is another MONSTER drummer/composer. Cuong actually knew my bandmate as they studied at New England Conservatory together. Small world considering I live on such a tiny island.

Well, now I know there are pro drummers on this site, and to be honest I feel a little embarrassed about posting some of my drum performances now LOL.

Lately I've been listening to Kurt Elling's "Man in the Air" album, one of my favorite vocalists.
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Posted 22 December 2016 - 11:50 PM

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 21 December 2016 - 11:11 PM, said:

Mad!!! Glad you made it Brother!!!!

The stuff your listening to is right up my alley, I had no idea you went to school and everything. I knew you were a pro though.

Roy Haynes is one bad dude! I have his signature snare actually, great sounding snare. Also, I'm a big fan of Jack DeJohnette, and have some Keith Jarret stuff on my ipod. Jacks "Musical Expression on the Drum set" was a good one for me, I still have it.

Danillo Perez is a monster as well, his work with Horacio Hernanadez on the drums is some good stuff too.

And of course Metheny, I'll never forget the first time I heard his playing, very very distinctive tone. Interesting side note is I met his trumpet player last time I was in Seattle Cuong Vu, cool dude, along with Dafnis Prieto who is another MONSTER drummer/composer. Cuong actually knew my bandmate as they studied at New England Conservatory together. Small world considering I live on such a tiny island.

Well, now I know there are pro drummers on this site, and to be honest I feel a little embarrassed about posting some of my drum performances now LOL.

Lately I've been listening to Kurt Elling's "Man in the Air" album, one of my favorite vocalists.

Don't be, man. I couldn't play my way out of a bag these days.

I used to work through Horatio's left foot clave/independence book. That stuff is hard...

And what is it with every teenager being able to do Moeller techniques?
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Posted 23 December 2016 - 01:30 AM

LOL, I just started knocking the rust off myself.

Yeah, that left foot clave stuff is no joke. Actually a lot of Latin stuff if pretty challenging from an independence standpoint. I'm terrible at practice when it comes to drums unfortunately, I love to play music though.

Hahahaha, a lot of these kids nowadays are technically proficient that's for sure. Not to sound too "get off my lawn-ish" but a lot of these drum cover type videos make me scratch my head. I mean it's like 2 bars of solid (hopefully) groove then they start trying to fit every cleaver lick in the book any and everywhere. I just hope they don't try to gig like that. If I played like that stuff would be thrown at me mid song haha.
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:48 AM

View PostPalauan Hammer, on 23 December 2016 - 01:30 AM, said:

LOL, I just started knocking the rust off myself.

Yeah, that left foot clave stuff is no joke. Actually a lot of Latin stuff if pretty challenging from an independence standpoint. I'm terrible at practice when it comes to drums unfortunately, I love to play music though.

Hahahaha, a lot of these kids nowadays are technically proficient that's for sure. Not to sound too "get off my lawn-ish" but a lot of these drum cover type videos make me scratch my head. I mean it's like 2 bars of solid (hopefully) groove then they start trying to fit every cleaver lick in the book any and everywhere. I just hope they don't try to gig like that. If I played like that stuff would be thrown at me mid song haha.

When stuff started to get weird, I used to make my students play a single groove for about 10 minutes with no variation and without dropping the time. None of them could ever do it. Just a simple boom-whack. Problem is none of them ever got much experience playing with really good singers.

(Singers are crazy, though...)

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