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#151 RodC

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:13 PM

New user here. Only used  it for two rounds so far.

I think thereís an issue with registered distances. My other software SwingxSwing is much more precise on map and distances.
Iíll double check, but I assume the gps is not as precise working with arccos maps.
It shows Iím hitting my clubs 20-30 yds less to what SwingxSwing registers.

Also some modifications are needed to rough, sand or fairway hits.

My respects to their customer service. My course was erroneously registered with a par 3 as par 4 and a par 5 as 4. I reported and was fixed on a day. Note: the previous rounds didnít change, so data became not usable. I will erase and start from cero.

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#152 YossarianPaso

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 10:43 AM

Hi there,
I have been a fan of Arccos for a couple of years. A few questions for the expert users:
- if anyone here is still using the original Arccos, as you know there is a diagnostic test that tells you how much charge is left in the battery. Based on your experience, how low can it go before it starts missing shots? I have a feeling that when you are under 55%, you have to replace it
- They have rolled in one of the last software release something called (in the options menu)  "smart putt detection". I can't find any reference in their website on what it does. What I noticed is that sometimes, after I finish one hole, it changes the number of putts (increasing it by 1). I am a very bad putter, and it's almost like it does not believe when I 1-putt a hole :swoon:.  My assumption is that it makes a self correction for the people who don't look at the app during the entire round
- have you ever noticed that sometimes you finish the round, you look at the score posted in the cellphone app, and then a few minutes (sometimes hours) later, it changes by +- 1 stroke?

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 08:23 PM

View PostYossarianPaso, on 17 July 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

Hi there,
I have been a fan of Arccos for a couple of years. A few questions for the expert users:
- if anyone here is still using the original Arccos, as you know there is a diagnostic test that tells you how much charge is left in the battery. Based on your experience, how low can it go before it starts missing shots? I have a feeling that when you are under 55%, you have to replace it
- They have rolled in one of the last software release something called (in the options menu)  "smart putt detection". I can't find any reference in their website on what it does. What I noticed is that sometimes, after I finish one hole, it changes the number of putts (increasing it by 1). I am a very bad putter, and it's almost like it does not believe when I 1-putt a hole :swoon:.  My assumption is that it makes a self correction for the people who don't look at the app during the entire round
- have you ever noticed that sometimes you finish the round, you look at the score posted in the cellphone app, and then a few minutes (sometimes hours) later, it changes by +- 1 stroke?

I’d agree with battery level.

You’re correct in your assessment about smart putting. I have it turned off as it was doing the same thing as your experience.

Never noticed the third point.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 12:28 PM

View Postthaar, on 16 July 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

Caddie 2.0 is now live for Android users. I'm excited to see how it performs - I'm playing the next couple days, one on my home course and another on a completely unfamiliar course. Should be a good synopsis on how well it works. I'll report back later this week.

Caddie 2.0 still needs a bit of work for me. It had some very questionable suggestions on a couple holes. I'll still reference it on courses I'm not familiar with, but I don't think the algorithm is refined enough yet to solely rely on it. I'm sure it will get better with time though. Arccos has done a good job lately trying to improve the overall system, so I look forward to seeing improvements over time.
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Posted 18 July 2018 - 12:29 PM

View Postthaar, on 18 July 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

View Postthaar, on 16 July 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

Caddie 2.0 is now live for Android users. I'm excited to see how it performs - I'm playing the next couple days, one on my home course and another on a completely unfamiliar course. Should be a good synopsis on how well it works. I'll report back later this week.

Caddie 2.0 still needs a bit of work for me. It had some very questionable suggestions on a couple holes. I'll still reference it on courses I'm not familiar with, but I don't think the algorithm is refined enough yet to solely rely on it. I'm sure it will get better with time though. Arccos has done a good job lately trying to improve the overall system, so I look forward to seeing improvements over time.

Mine balked and refused to work on my first round after Caddie 2.0 went active (my sixth round overall). So I haven't seen it yet but hope to try it out this weekend.

Does it only give suggestions for tee shots on Par 4's and Par 5's? As in hit driver or lay up with something shorter?

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 01:48 PM

Yep. One of the weird recommendations that I ignored was to go 5w, 5w to get to the green. It will then give you recommendations for your approach shot as well. It takes into account wind (if there is a weather station nearby - otherwise it uses the previous days data from my understanding) and elevation changes as well.

I was talking with some of the Cobra/Arccos guys yesterday and they are constantly refining the product to make it better. They also just hired a team of people dedicated to Android development so hopefully we Android users get updates shortly after they push it out on iOS.
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Posted 18 July 2018 - 02:37 PM

Although caddie 2.0 is an improvement, I've yet to use it. Mostly because I think it's only good for a course I haven't played, and most holes are straight driver/iron .

Having said that, I love my arccos 360. Support is great and company is constantly pushing new features.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 12:36 PM

Is anyone else having strange results with the web based putting dashboard? The numbers don't make sense when toggle between All Putts and Putts per GiR. I should have more putts in the All Putts than GiR and as much as I wish I made 50+% from > 30' that's just not the case. Here's what the dashboard looks like.

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FYI - I edit my putts, hole locations, etc. for each hole so my shot data should be correct.

On another note, I'm wondering how the Arccos handicap for an area (let's say driving here) can vary so much, but the strokes gained calculation is much closer. Take a look at the variance in hcp vs. stokes gained where I've been a 5 hcp on my worst day and a +6.9 on my best, a difference of 11.9. Strokes gained on those days are -1.13 and +2.22, a difference of 3.35.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 12:38 PM

I have the same issues. The putting stats are fundamentally broken no matter how closely you edit the supposed flag locations.

Even moreso than GG, Arccos 360 is only useful for tee to green. Everything about the chipping and putting is FUBAR.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 12:49 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 23 July 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

I have the same issues. The putting stats are fundamentally broken no matter how closely you edit the supposed flag locations.

Even moreso than GG, Arccos 360 is only useful for tee to green. Everything about the chipping and putting is FUBAR.

Ya I have issues with some short game calculations as well.  For example, when I don't putt well and miss two 4' putts for sand saves from 20+ yards then it tells me my bunker play is poor. Umm, I hit two very good bunker shots and missed two putts I should make 88% of the time...

Personally, I think they'd be better off focusing on pure strokes gained (the methodology and numbers are all available) rather than some strange Arcoss interpretation of it.

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 09:34 AM

Speaking of Arccos handicap, I always wondered how they calculate the Driver one.
I am a high handicap golfer (around 22), but no matter what I do with the driver, I always get a "30+". Like the last round:
Average drive 211
Standard deviation +-23
Longest 243
Fairway hits 11/14

There was a hole where I shot in the woods and so I entered a +2 penalty.
Is it really that bad?

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 09:49 AM

View PostYossarianPaso, on 24 July 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:

Speaking of Arccos handicap, I always wondered how they calculate the Driver one.
I am a high handicap golfer (around 22), but no matter what I do with the driver, I always get a "30+". Like the last round:
Average drive 211
Standard deviation +-23
Longest 243
Fairway hits 11/14

There was a hole where I shot in the woods and so I entered a +2 penalty.
Is it really that bad?

You can see the explanations for each of the categories here: https://www.arccosgo...ytics-explained

And yes, any penalties will really impact your strokes gained/hcp.
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Posted 25 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

For those interested, Arccos appears to have a learning site up now. https://www.arccosacademy.com/

This goes more in depth about how they calculate the stats, etc.

Personally, I think they needed this and hopefully they continue to expand the content.
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 01:02 PM

Do you need to phone in your front pocket if youíve got an Apple Watch?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

View PostScottJN, on 28 July 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

Do you need to phone in your front pocket if you’ve got an Apple Watch?

Yes

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:35 AM

Is there any news when Arccos will be running on the Apple watch without the need for a phone ?

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Posted 04 August 2018 - 06:08 AM

Hey, long time user, mostly lurker here.

I'm in Europe, have received my 360 this morning. One sensor isn't pairing, seems to happen more often. But is anyone of you in Europe and can you tell me how long it took to replace the sensor? (Also: any hints on where to find crazy cheap sensors? I'd need 6 extra for clubs and 2 for putters..)

Haven't used it on the course yet, so can't say anything about that.

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