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#1 Alex1975

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:33 AM

Hi All,

I fancy getting myself some blades. I will not get rid of my Passing Point but fancy something sexy and fun for whatever reason.

Can someone in the know give me an idea what the differences between the various Miura blades is please.

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:14 PM

I'm not an expert by any means, but Miura makes some small blades. How comfortable are you with your passing points?  Any recent or past experience with blades? The more we know about your game,  the better some of these experts can point you in the right direction. You may want something like the Tournament blades or even the 5003,  but end up going with a 5005 based off your game.
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:28 AM

I wont be selling my PP, they are wonderful but I have an itch to scratch.

I think the answer to my own question is Miura MB 001. I think they have the largest head and widest sole. The small blades are interesting as they are supposed to be easier to keep square through impact but perhaps I would like a little more real estate.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:33 AM

Small blades.  If you are going to scratch the itch, you may as well rip your skin off :)
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 10:43 AM

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

Small blades.  If you are going to scratch the itch, you may as well rip your skin off :)


You make a very good point, in for a penny in for a pound.

I use the best fitter in the UK and he is not short of an opinion and knows me pretty well so I am sure he will guide me too.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 12:28 PM

I second the Small Blades.  I absolutely LOVE mine.  Currently, my itch has been towards the Miura Giken MB-5005.  I have been considering them in the black finish.  And then I go out and play the Small Blades and wonder why.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 01:49 PM

View PostAlex1975, on 28 September 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

Small blades.  If you are going to scratch the itch, you may as well rip your skin off :)


You make a very good point, in for a penny in for a pound.

I use the best fitter in the UK and he is not short of an opinion and knows me pretty well so I am sure he will guide me too.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 02:22 PM

Best thing I did was get the small blades before almost writing off jdm all together.  They are not a difficult transition from my mp14s, and after playing my mp14s last week, I had a harder time hitting them than my miuras.

They are simply probably the best iron set ever.  If you are going to do it, do it all the way.  What I thought was bought as a range and fun play novelty when I pulled the trigger has turned into my serious gamer set that is the only thing I feel comfortable with if I am trying to put up a good score or playing a buddy for $.  I treat mine like they cost $100 becuase they have long passed that whole novelty of some ninja sword crap, they have become my set, my set to be used like a tool and rode hard and put away wet.  The chatter is getting worse, the faces are getting more gauges from debris, and The uglier they get the more beautiful they are to me and their feel no matter how familiar, never gets old.  They may not be for everyone, but if they are for you, be prepared to resign to stop HOing irons, this is the only set I have had that make everything else just look and feel wrong.  

I have bought a few jdm sets that I have regretted, including a 501/mb001 combo set fwiw.  I can't imagine anyone wanting blades to regret getting the small blades UNLESS you are a consistant toe side misser, or center misser in general.  I am a heel side misser and these clubs feel pure right to the point of hosel rocket, they love to be hit inside.  But 1/4" let alone half a ball toe side and they are not friendly or fun irons.  Probably not an issue, but worth mentioning.
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 02:29 PM

Baby blades FTW!!!

They are the easiest and best feeling irons that I have ever played.  I also have a set of Miura Retro TBs, and while they are a fine iron, the baby blades are still the better choice in all categories.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 02:50 PM

LOVE the 1957 baby blades. If you're going to go w/a Miura blade, these are the best of the best.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:07 PM

I can totally see why rebby has multiple sets, I feel like it may be boring, but there is no reason to use another iron as long as I am able to.

Regarding the size and fear, This is the Longest time in years I have not had a cb set for my mental boost days.  I feel compelled to ho one eventually, but it is purely consumerism driven and not In The least bit necessity driven.  I am currently playing to 7.6, so far cry from scratch, and I have never felt like my irons are responsible for my score builders.....driving and chipping are clearly where that comes from.  Never had a day with them in two years where they seamed anything but comfortable to hit.
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:23 PM

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

I can totally see why rebby has multiple sets, I feel like it may be boring, but there is no reason to use another iron as long as I am able to.

Regarding the size and fear, This is the Longest time in years I have not had a cb set for my mental boost days.  I feel compelled to ho one eventually, but it is purely consumerism driven and not In The least bit necessity driven.  I am currently playing to 7.6, so far cry from scratch, and I have never felt like my irons are responsible for my score builders.....driving and chipping are clearly where that comes from.  Never had a day with them in two years where they seamed anything but comfortable to hit.

I've owned the 501 and the TB as well and neither of them stuck around for very long. The 1957s are, quite simply, that good. I was intrigued by the MB-001 so I spent some time hitting a used set at a local 2nd Swing (they also had 2 used sets of PXGs, 0311 and 0311T). I liked those better than both the 501 and the TB but there is no comparison w/the 1957.

As for the smaller look, it can be frightening to look down at for the first few swings. I'll admit that straight out. When I first looked at my 2-iron sitting just 39.5" from my left wrist I seriously wondered how I was going to get it back to the ball. Once you catch one pure though, you realize that all you really need to do is make the grooves hit the ball, it's really that easy. With the 1957s if you can regularly put the grooves on the ball, you're golden. All of sudden that "baby blade" inspires confidence, not fear.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:31 PM

Some of the hardcore miura guys may know this, but the giken F type I believe is like the small blade but fade biased?  If it is and you turn it over then may be also worth a look.  

And rebby is dead on, and what is funny is how easy it really is to put it on the center of the grooves since the face is all grooves anyway.
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:48 PM

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

Some of the hardcore miura guys may know this, but the giken F type I believe is like the small blade but fade biased?  If it is and you turn it over then may be also worth a look.  

And rebby is dead on, and what is funny is how easy it really is to put it on the center of the grooves since the face is all grooves anyway.

What makes the baby blade easy to square is the small head itself.  It has a low MOI which makes for LESS work by the hands to keep the face square both before and during impact.  Also the thinner and shorter sole makes for less drag resistance as the head passes through grass and turf.  Furthermore the thinner sole decreases the likelihood of contacting the ground before the ball.  The physics of the small head is ideal provided the golfer gets over the psychological impact of looking down on it.
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 05:40 PM

Check out post #5 in this thread for a great comparison of the TB vs the LE 1957. There are some pretty nice pictures in there as well. The baby blade doesn't really look that much smaller than a "normal" blade. After hitting the 1957 for a while though, a "normal" blade looks downright SGI-like, especially if you refinish your 1957s in black oxide!

In the very first post of my WITB I also have a number of pictures of the 1957s sitting next to various other blades (TB and SB1 IIRC).


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 07:06 PM

I have two questions for the panel. I recently started playing the Small Blades and absolutely LOVE them.

1). Does anyone play a Small Blade 2 iron?  if so, how long did it take to receive after ordering?
2). Does anyone have the Small Blades in the black finish?  if so, how do they wear?

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 07:33 PM

If I could jump in with a question -  I love the look and feel on the Baby blades.  I had the 301's, and wish I would have gone with these instead.  I hit them really pure on the flat mat with a 6 iron, but scared myself thinking about the long irons AND trying to hit a ball below my feet.    My handicap fluctuates between 4 and 9, but most of the problem is short game related.  My iron play, at least 5-PW, is pretty strong - but I do get a little steep some times.  Do these dig excessively?

I've hit the MB-001s and the CB 57's as well- Love the feel of the CB-57's and was thinking of a combo set with the BB's, as I really like the MB-001's, but in this 3-way it is a distant 3rd.  

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 08:35 PM

View Postetrichards, on 28 September 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

If I could jump in with a question -  I love the look and feel on the Baby blades.  I had the 301's, and wish I would have gone with these instead.  I hit them really pure on the flat mat with a 6 iron, but scared myself thinking about the long irons AND trying to hit a ball below my feet. My handicap fluctuates between 4 and 9, but most of the problem is short game related.  My iron play, at least 5-PW, is pretty strong - but I do get a little steep some times.  Do these dig excessively?

I've hit the MB-001s and the CB 57's as well- Love the feel of the CB-57's and was thinking of a combo set with the BB's, as I really like the MB-001's, but in this 3-way it is a distant 3rd.  

Thanks!

No they do not dig excessively.  And even when they do dig, the smaller surface area on the bottom of the club makes it easier to dig.  Meaning, all other things equal, they dig with higher velocity than a club with a higher surface area sole.

Also the benefits of the BB design span across all the irons, including the long ones.  The same reasons to play BBs in the short irons applies to the long ones as well.  If you think about it, your shot dispersion pattern on the face of the iron defines how "big" the face needs to be.  The BB face encompasses the dispersion pattern of nearly every golfer that puts in practice time, so it is big enough for nearly all golfers (psychological issues with the head size notwithstanding).

For the thread, here's some pics of my BBs and Retro TBs.  The last few are a direct head size comparison of the 3i.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:02 PM

Thanks!   Makes sense, and great looking clubs!

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:08 PM

View Postglensmithis, on 28 September 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

I have two questions for the panel. I recently started playing the Small Blades and absolutely LOVE them.

1). Does anyone play a Small Blade 2 iron?  if so, how long did it take to receive after ordering?
2). Does anyone have the Small Blades in the black finish?  if so, how do they wear?

1) Yes, came w/the set. That was back when they were advertising the availability of the 2-iron their website though. It's no longer listed in the specs so ???
2) Yes, mine are 1 of none. Black oxide wears, that's just part of the deal. I keep mine clean and dry (for the most part) to keep wear/rust down. When I see some rust, I hit them with Rem-oil and really fine steel wool which does wonders. That said, I hit quite a few balls so they do wear. I try to do most of my range work with my factory chromed 1957s but, this year especially, I've hit a lot of balls with my black ones. I could easily go another few years without a touch up if I wanted to but I'll likely have them freshened up this winter, the 6-PW are showing a fair amount of finish-wear. Besides, I have an itch to change up the ferrules/paint fill anyway.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:14 PM

Hey rebby, do you notice any difference in feel (accounting for shaft differences) between your black ox and chrome BBs?

By the way your black ox BBs are ... dark ... chocolate ... bliss ... :wub:

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

Some of the hardcore miura guys may know this, but the giken F type I believe is like the small blade but fade biased?  If it is and you turn it over then may be also worth a look.  

And rebby is dead on, and what is funny is how easy it really is to put it on the center of the grooves since the face is all grooves anyway.

What else do you know about the F type biggie? Is it a reground model of the 5003?
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 09:43 PM

View PostDeNinny, on 28 September 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Hey rebby, do you notice any difference in feel (accounting for shaft differences) between your black ox and chrome BBs?

By the way your black ox BBs are ... dark ... chocolate ... bliss ... :wub:

Personally, I find black ox/raw irons to have a little softer feel than chromed irons. Slightly more muted sound as well. Of course, that could just be my perception, it's possible that it's all in my head. LOL I do strongly prefer my black ox irons, FWIW.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 10:03 PM

View Postrebby, on 28 September 2016 - 09:43 PM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 28 September 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Hey rebby, do you notice any difference in feel (accounting for shaft differences) between your black ox and chrome BBs?

By the way your black ox BBs are ... dark ... chocolate ... bliss ... :wub:

Personally, I find black ox/raw irons to have a little softer feel than chromed irons. Slightly more muted sound as well. Of course, that could just be my perception, it's possible that it's all in my head. LOL I do strongly prefer my black ox irons, FWIW.

LOL FWIW, in all of WRX, your black ox BBs is the one set that makes me want to "cheat" on mine.  Like cheating on Kate Upton for one night with Tyra Banks.
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#25 Alex1975

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 04:17 AM

View PostPilgrim, on 28 September 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

View PostAlex1975, on 28 September 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

View PostBigmean, on 28 September 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

Small blades.  If you are going to scratch the itch, you may as well rip your skin off :)


You make a very good point, in for a penny in for a pound.

I use the best fitter in the UK and he is not short of an opinion and knows me pretty well so I am sure he will guide me too.

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Ye my miss would be hosel end. I am coming from way on the inside and dont fear the toe of the club.

Damn you all (and thanks). This post kind pushes the point. I better go and have a play with the BBs.

Edited by Alex1975, 29 September 2016 - 04:20 AM.

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#26 Bigmean

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 09:26 AM

If you miss heel, then it is a slam dunk no brainer....I miss heel side with 8-pw more than the lower irons, in face my nine iron is starting to wear just inside.  I also tend to find the hosel when on range working but only once in a round in two years, now I am talking about 100 or more hosel rockets in that same time on range, so if you are thinking with your swing, the face gets small, but in round and focus on a target it is a non issue.  

Rebby, in 2 more seasons you will have 1 of 2.  Once I get enough face wear, mine are getting stripped and backup set is on the agenda!  I had some black ox vegas and I agree, nothing is sweeter than a black blades iron.

Also, if you are a 4-9, I am the same golfer, and my problem is driving foremost and I am a streaky chipper that has battled the chip yips, so I don't see an issue with you playing these.  Granted my 4 iron is 60% of solid strike chances and by far my worst in bag considering I rarely Mis hit my 5-pw.  I seriously think it is mental though, and not the iron as much as I just don't feel good looking at 210 or so into a green so the whole scenario is just bad mojo for me and my known ability.
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Posted 29 September 2016 - 09:29 AM

View PostBigmean, on 29 September 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

Rebby, in 2 more seasons you will have 1 of 2.  Once I get enough face wear, mine are getting stripped and backup set is on the agenda!  I had some black ox vegas and I agree, nothing is sweeter than a black blades iron.

If you like the look of the baby blade, for sure go black oxide. The black gives them an even smaller appearance, it's absolute bliss. I don't understand why you can't get these directly from Miura in black.

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 09:55 AM

LOL every baby blades owner eventually starts looking down the road at a backup set or a means to prolong the lifespan of his existing set.  They really don't end your ho journey.  They just change the intent.

Now I'm thinking/itching about black ox BBs.
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#29 glensmithis

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:09 AM

View PostDeNinny, on 29 September 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

LOL every baby blades owner eventually starts looking down the road at a backup set or a means to prolong the lifespan of his existing set.  They really don't end your ho journey.  They just change the intent.

Now I'm thinking/itching about black ox BBs.

That is exactly why I was asking about how they wear

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:51 AM

View Postglensmithis, on 29 September 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 29 September 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

LOL every baby blades owner eventually starts looking down the road at a backup set or a means to prolong the lifespan of his existing set.  They really don't end your ho journey.  They just change the intent.

Now I'm thinking/itching about black ox BBs.

That is exactly why I was asking about how they wear

I bought the Retro TB heads because I couldn't handle the feel, performance, and looks change by switching to my backup mp60s from my BBs.  Although the feel is better with the Retros, it still isn't quite as sublime as with the BBs.  Looks are similar (both are gorgeous clubs), and performance is slightly better (and easier) with the BBs due to the smaller head.

Edit:  And if I had the disposable income I would have a set of black ox BBs in the rotation...all because I looked at rebby's WITB...D'OH!

Edited by DeNinny, 29 September 2016 - 10:58 AM.

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