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Sooooo, is golf dying?


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#691 golfer07840

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

View Postyouraway2, on 17 August 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postadam667220, on 17 August 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

Along the lines of attendance being down, etc. I just noticed something I've never seen from any course.

A course that I play maybe once a year has started offering hourly golf rates. They advertise it as, come in before work for an hour, or over lunch kind of thing, but either way, numbers must be pretty bad if you're trying to drum up any couple bucks you can. I can imagine the havoc that wreaks on scheduling tee times. You could go from backed to empty when everyone just decides to walk off the course. Not to mention how do you monitor their play.

Just thought it was odd.
Why not just add foot golf in as an added benefit? You could also rent boom boxes. Let's grow the game!

Footgolf has seriously become a thing here in NJ... hate it.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 12:35 PM

View PostMSchad, on 14 August 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

View Postgolfer07840, on 14 August 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

View PostMSchad, on 14 August 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

I'm 65 now and we have had the 1st or 2nd tee time for the last 10-12 years. 2 1/2 hour 18 hole rounds. Home in time for breakfast with the wife!
I am also at work @ 5:30 am during the week.

I don't care if it takes 90 mins to play 18 holes. I am not getting up that early to golf. A friend of mine works construction and is at work at an ungodly hour and when he plays on the weekends, he texts me what's going on. I wake up around 8:30 on a Saturday and there is he is on the 9th green by 8 am.

I also don't understand this desire to get it over with as quickly as possible. "I got my round in under 3 hours!" what is the rush? I'm not saying take 5 hours, but there seems to be this growing consensus on here that if you aren't done in under 3:30 hours, you're a slow player and should be fined and imprisoned.

Not saying you have to get up. Sleep in. Those of us who play early usually have other interests also and just don't want to spend 4+ hours in the middle of the day golfing when you can do more in the day. We also don't try to speed golf. That's just all the time it takes when the course is not packed.
When I play during the week I try and get the first tee time (6:30-ish) and will walk 9 holes - that way I know I'm not going to get stuck behind a slower group.  I'm an early riser anyway, but playing at 6:30 is perfect for my day, finish around 8-8:15 and then get to work by 9:30-ish.  Plus, in the summer it gets too hot too quickly so at least playing this early help with that.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 05:55 PM

View Postgolfer07840, on 18 August 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 17 August 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postadam667220, on 17 August 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

Along the lines of attendance being down, etc. I just noticed something I've never seen from any course.

A course that I play maybe once a year has started offering hourly golf rates. They advertise it as, come in before work for an hour, or over lunch kind of thing, but either way, numbers must be pretty bad if you're trying to drum up any couple bucks you can. I can imagine the havoc that wreaks on scheduling tee times. You could go from backed to empty when everyone just decides to walk off the course. Not to mention how do you monitor their play.

Just thought it was odd.
Why not just add foot golf in as an added benefit? You could also rent boom boxes. Let's grow the game!

Footgolf has seriously become a thing here in NJ... hate it.
Our course spent big $ putting in the hole liners and flags.  They haven't been used in years and all the flags rotted away, and the hole covers are bent from mowing equipment, but they are still there, an eyesore on our course.  This year they have replaced all the flags but still no play. Plus the prices to occupy the course is far less than standard green fees.  My experience shows it's a huge loss for our sport.  Put the stupid things in the park somewhere.

Edited by youraway2, 18 August 2017 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 09:03 PM

View Postyouraway2, on 18 August 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

View Postgolfer07840, on 18 August 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 17 August 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postadam667220, on 17 August 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

Along the lines of attendance being down, etc. I just noticed something I've never seen from any course.

A course that I play maybe once a year has started offering hourly golf rates. They advertise it as, come in before work for an hour, or over lunch kind of thing, but either way, numbers must be pretty bad if you're trying to drum up any couple bucks you can. I can imagine the havoc that wreaks on scheduling tee times. You could go from backed to empty when everyone just decides to walk off the course. Not to mention how do you monitor their play.

Just thought it was odd.
Why not just add foot golf in as an added benefit? You could also rent boom boxes. Let's grow the game!

Footgolf has seriously become a thing here in NJ... hate it.
Our course spent big $ putting in the hole liners and flags.  They haven't been used in years and all the flags rotted away, and the hole covers are bent from mowing equipment, but they are still there, an eyesore on our course.  This year they have replaced all the flags but still no play. Plus the prices to occupy the course is far less than standard green fees.  My experience shows it's a huge loss for our sport.  Put the stupid things in the park somewhere.
I was walking behind a bunch of footgolfers in the parking lot a few weeks ago, and I heard them taking about their "putting" stroke being off. I just rolled my eyes.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 09:11 PM

View Postgolfer07840, on 18 August 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 18 August 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

View Postgolfer07840, on 18 August 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 17 August 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postadam667220, on 17 August 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

Along the lines of attendance being down, etc. I just noticed something I've never seen from any course.

A course that I play maybe once a year has started offering hourly golf rates. They advertise it as, come in before work for an hour, or over lunch kind of thing, but either way, numbers must be pretty bad if you're trying to drum up any couple bucks you can. I can imagine the havoc that wreaks on scheduling tee times. You could go from backed to empty when everyone just decides to walk off the course. Not to mention how do you monitor their play.

Just thought it was odd.
Why not just add foot golf in as an added benefit? You could also rent boom boxes. Let's grow the game!

Footgolf has seriously become a thing here in NJ... hate it.
Our course spent big $ putting in the hole liners and flags.  They haven't been used in years and all the flags rotted away, and the hole covers are bent from mowing equipment, but they are still there, an eyesore on our course.  This year they have replaced all the flags but still no play. Plus the prices to occupy the course is far less than standard green fees.  My experience shows it's a huge loss for our sport.  Put the stupid things in the park somewhere.
I was walking behind a bunch of footgolfers in the parking lot a few weeks ago, and I heard them taking about their "putting" stroke being off. I just rolled my eyes.

Do they try new shoes or rotate shoes to go with the "hot" one?

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Here in Ohio, footgolf is popular among the couple Metroparks courses that have setups. Both are on the Par 3 courses and provide extra revenue since playing a par 3 course seems to be passe, particularly when there is an 18 hole regular course on the same property.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 08:16 PM

Turnberry and Trump National links in Scotland lost $25 million last year

https://www.golfdige...ollar25-million

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:46 PM

View Poststlouismark, on 10 October 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

Turnberry and Trump National links in Scotland lost $25 million last year

https://www.golfdige...ollar25-million

  I am sure there is much more to the story - How much money was spent trying to land a major?   Was this strictly operational cost versus revenue?
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:53 PM

View Poststlouismark, on 10 October 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

Turnberry and Trump National links in Scotland lost $25 million last year

https://www.golfdige...ollar25-million

Interesting. I don't know much about classic tracts in remote areas of Scotland, but I hear many of these top 100's are basically closed to the public, have hundreds of millions spent on 5 star resorts, are located in areas with constant cold and rain and often are bought out of bankruptcy.

Maybe its not golf dying, but these overpriced exclusive resorts.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 10:08 PM

View Postuitar9, on 10 October 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

View Poststlouismark, on 10 October 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

Turnberry and Trump National links in Scotland lost $25 million last year

https://www.golfdige...ollar25-million

Interesting. I don't know much about classic tracts in remote areas of Scotland, but I hear many of these top 100's are basically closed to the public, have hundreds of millions spent on 5 star resorts, are located in areas with constant cold and rain and often are bought out of bankruptcy.

Maybe its not golf dying, but these overpriced exclusive resorts.

Lots to consider for sure. Sports franchises will report operational losses, but they aren't reporting their gains on merchandise and concessions. Simply ticket sales.  Lots of way to report losses to help with taxes in such.

Not saying they aren't losing money, but nobody is in business to take that kind of hit YoY.
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Posted Today, 10:09 AM

View PostNevinW, on 05 August 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

It isn't dying.  The economy hasn't recovered enough and that is the primary problem.  Golfsmith's problems sounds like it is a bunch of bad real estate deals and leases more than anything.  Nike getting out is hardly a surprise.  How many great golf club manufacturers have gone away over the years?  Remember Macgregor, Powerbilt, Wilson (to a lessor extent)?  These were the main club companies when I started playing.  When the economy improves and there is more disposable income, golf will expand again.

I hate to brake it to you but the economy is as good as it will get. This is the permanent recession and it aint going to end in our lifetime.


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