Spooky67, on 12 July 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:
Reasonability, on 11 July 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:
Spooky67, on 11 July 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:
I tried chipping off of a board today-thanks Reasonability for the suggestion. I didn't have a sheet of plywood so to start the ball was above my feet, but I decided to add a board for me to stand on so the ball was slightly below my feet- my weakness. Chipped some and then decided to get a quick vid as I wasn't sure if I was doing it right.? Of course the ball went in the air towards the target but I was wondering if I should be picking it totally clean? I felt like I got ball first-ish, but there was definite contact with the board. How should I be working this drill? Thanks!
Need to play a little back/forth dialogue with you if that's OK.
A) Did you happen to also record a face-on? At the risk of annoying you, would you be able to do so in the next few days before too much is said?
B) Camera angles can play games with us. Your target seems to the right of your alignment. Was that purposeful or the angle? Were you going for an open=faced sort of "cut/slice" type swing???
C) Do you know what loft of the club you were swinging?
D) If you had to guess, was the handle ahead (to the target side) of the ball at impact? Even with it? Back behind it? (I'm guessing a little ahead of it.)
E) Depth perception in 2D is a little tricky. How far was the target from you? Looks like about 10-12 yards???
Here's some really positive feedback while waiting for your answers. That board under your feet indicates you operate with nice balance. There's no tipping out over your toes or rocking back on your heels. Standing on that board, you have to maintain great control of balance. Well done!
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it as I really had no idea if what I was doing is the drill you were describing. I have the dreaded two way miss with my green side wedges- thin or dig...lol. But like scomac2002 mentioned I was trying to focus on getting the lead edge right under the ball.
A. I did not record face on but I can. I figured seeing the ball flight would help.?
B. Yes. the target was right of where the boards were pointing. I was trying to stand just a bit open to the ball, I was trying to swing along my stance line with the face just a bit open. Yes I was swinging along the line that would slice with a full swing.
C. I was swinging a Mizuno MP-32 PW so somewhere around 47deg give or take.?
D. I'm not really sure on that one.? I set up pretty neutral I felt, leading edge just under the ball and went from there. At impact I was likely slightly ahead as I was trying to turn through the chip.?
E. I'd say the target was maybe 10yds max but probably a little closer.?
The set up wasn't something I really thought through, I saw a board in the garage and decided to chip a few off it. At first I just had the ball on the board and my feet on the concrete so the ball was just a bit above my feet. After a few of those I got another board to stand on and the ball was just a little below my feet. I was really much more focused on making clean contact and not thinning it. It seems that this drill is all about making clean contact? I appreciate the info and the help.
Thanks for your tolerance, Spooky. Here's specifically why the face-on thing was mentioned. Face on reveals ball placement in the stance;: weight over one or both feet; amount (if any) of forward press at address/impact, any lateral sway, etc. Those are all biggies. But I might be able to spare you the extra effort through sharing. Thanks to another golfer I've checked with (you know who you are my friend)...who actually made this drill more of a habit for longer periods than me personally.
While one size doesn't fit all - you'd probably hear others who practice wedges off of boards and decking say things along these lines:
1. A more lofted wedge is typically used - maybe a 56* or even 60*. The goal is to accelerate through the strike and still manage to get a higher flight. Sounds like an impossibility given the bounce on the bottom of the club (we'll get to that in a minute).
2. Like you they often open up the face of the club in their initial grip, and also like you there's very much a goal of "picking it clean",
3. The clubface remains pointing skyward in your vids - just after impact. And with that, the handle moves around your left hip in the follow-through. Some call this "handle dragging" - some refer to it as "rounding the corner". I think you'd find that motion to be what others experience.
4. I believe the target for this drill might tend to be a little farther out typically - probably in the 20-40 yard range which would mean a little fuller swing. Not to get into the semantics of a chip shot versus pitch shot, but your trajectory with that club at that distance would be (IMO) perfectly fine. Your trajectory is very consistent which is a good thing!
Getting back to the "bounce" thing and seeming impossibility of hitting a higher longer shot with more lofted club off of boards/decking. IMHO it takes the following to pull it off.
There's a lot of different grinds on wedges out there with all levels of very little to lots of bounce.
Most wedges will let you open up the face in your grip (which you do). Depending on the grind and bounce the leading edge of the clubface will start to automatically "lift" a little at address when you do. But...that leading edge can make contact well below the equator of the ball. That edge by itself may not fully slip "under" the ball but its far enough below the equator that plenty of upward lift in trajectory still happens. The bounce is used to "skid" the clubhead through the strike which is why folks doing this drill often swing a longer targets... they're going for lots of acceleration.
For me personally (This may not work for you personally)...I set up with a little less forward press of the handle than for the lower/shorter chip shot. Like you I personally set the feet up to the left a bit and the clubface is a little right of the target. For me, I allow the trail elbow to be very slightly bent at setup. I swing the club back along the target line rather than swing it back up over my toe line. The toe of the club points to the sky going back through 9 o'clock and the face points to the sky just after impact - just like you do. At impact the handle and wrists are fully dumpling their angles and the butt end of the club is barely ahead of the ball or possibly even with it. But still, like you I'm picking it clean if possible and letting that handle swing around my left hip. So about the only difference in our two individual approaches is a little tweak to the trail (right) elbow, It's possible you set up with a little more forward press of the hand than me for this drill. You take it back over your toe line and for me it moves a little more back over the target line (more so than the toe line anyway). We both end up finishing the same (basically). It just so happens for me, I'd have a more lofted club and a little bigger swing but I "think" you and I are in the same general ball park FWIW.
The real test will be hearing if your next golf outing or two yield some nice little shots around the green with a great sense of control. It follows that anyone who can snag one off a wooden flat surface just might be comfortable hitting a routine golf shot out there since you've been tested by a drill that sounds simple but takes a little doing to get it right. Well done.
Edited by Reasonability, 12 July 2018 - 10:05 PM.