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Confessions 12 --- Exploding Heads

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#61 WolfWRX

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 04:04 PM

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

^ LOL Wolf re: the Smiths.  I was thinking more like 'Meat is Murder' (I keed, MJ).

Best the Smiths song ever...

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...It doesn't get old.

Yeah, that is a true classic. I had a girlfriend at university who was heavily into them. At first I wan't impressed, but she listened to them so much, eventually I came to love them. Though funnily enough, not her.

Favourite album is 'The Queen is Dead', which is probably in my top ten albums of all time.

There are so many great songs, it's hard to choose, but I have a soft spot for 'The Boy with the Thorn in His Side' and 'There is a Light that Never Goes Out.' Morrissey and Marr were a very special partnership.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 04:40 PM

View PostWolfWRX, on 13 May 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

^ LOL Wolf re: the Smiths.  I was thinking more like 'Meat is Murder' (I keed, MJ).

Best the Smiths song ever...

https://youtu.be/hnpILIIo9ek

...It doesn't get old.

Yeah, that is a true classic. I had a girlfriend at university who was heavily into them. At first I wan't impressed, but she listened to them so much, eventually I came to love them. Though funnily enough, not her.

Favourite album is 'The Queen is Dead', which is probably in my top ten albums of all time.

There are so many great songs, it's hard to choose, but I have a soft spot for 'The Boy with the Thorn in His Side' and 'There is a Light that Never Goes Out.' Morrissey and Marr were a very special partnership.

Yeah it was my high school gf that loved them so much that it rubbed off on me a little.  The Queen is Dead is sooo good.  My only issue with them was Morrissey's incessant wallowing in misery.  It got old after a while.  But their overall sound and song 'texture' was so original and mesmerizing to hear.  You can instantly tell a the Smiths song when you hear one.  Definitely a hall of fame new wave band.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 04:54 PM

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

^ LOL Wolf re: the Smiths.  I was thinking more like 'Meat is Murder' (I keed, MJ).

Best the Smiths song ever...

https://youtu.be/hnpILIIo9ek

...It doesn't get old.

Thanks for helping kick off the weekend with some good tunes.

Happy Friday, gents!




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Posted 13 May 2016 - 04:54 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 12 May 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

I know nothing about any of those things. I am in

So, here begins your learning process. Chances are, you'll be surprised at how much you already know....Then, we learn from you.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 05:23 PM

View PostReasonability, on 12 May 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

MC -

Golf shoe confession -

You remember metal spikes of course.  Well I got this GREAT pair that felt like absolute heaven.  Man they were spiffy.  And - the spikes were ceramic - built right into the soles - never needed replacing - guaranteed for life!  If the Mrs. would let me - I'd have worn those puppies around the house!

Got a month in - and some dip-wad decided soft spike were in and hard spikes were out.  This touched off a series of events.

This stirred such rage in me that I wrote every executive of every company in the world a letter asking for better/smarter decision making. Letters went to governments and world leaders.   My crisis was everyone/s crisis.  My writings were essentially a plea begging for all dip-wads to be hung on the courthouse lawn forthwith.

Evidently one of my letters fell into the wrong hands or perhaps in my rage I may have sent one too many angry letters to one too many world leaders -

But now you know the REAL story behind how the Falkland Island War started.  (When I said "boats" I meant SHOES but you know how folks twist things and misinterpret stuff).

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 05:44 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostReasonability, on 12 May 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

MC -

Golf shoe confession -

You remember metal spikes of course.  Well I got this GREAT pair that felt like absolute heaven.  Man they were spiffy.  And - the spikes were ceramic - built right into the soles - never needed replacing - guaranteed for life!  If the Mrs. would let me - I'd have worn those puppies around the house!

Got a month in - and some dip-wad decided soft spike were in and hard spikes were out.  This touched off a series of events.

This stirred such rage in me that I wrote every executive of every company in the world a letter asking for better/smarter decision making. Letters went to governments and world leaders.   My crisis was everyone/s crisis.  My writings were essentially a plea begging for all dip-wads to be hung on the courthouse lawn forthwith.

Evidently one of my letters fell into the wrong hands or perhaps in my rage I may have sent one too many angry letters to one too many world leaders -

But now you know the REAL story behind how the Falkland Island War started.  (When I said "boats" I meant SHOES but you know how folks twist things and misinterpret stuff).

Anywho - enjoy your new boats - and putters.  And take it from a friend... if they outlaw your shoes or putters --- just roll with it man.  The world will be a better place if you do.

The "friends" who decided for me that I would pick up Golf, promising to teach me all they know, LOL, made it a point to help me choose my first pair of shoes. One "shoe expert" drove me to a Golf store and I came out with an expensive pair of Mizuno ceramic spikes---Guaranteed for Life---. The following year, they were banned.  :cheesy:

Yep. Those were great shoes. That was my last pair of metal spikes too. White with black saddles.  Spikes would out last the shoes. Now I go through 2- 4 sets of soft spikes before I wear out the shoes.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 06:45 PM

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:busted_cop:  WARNING :busted_cop:

By reading this post any further, AND you still think high bounce is "helping" you so much, your head may explode.  Alternatively you may finally understand that I'm really trying to help you!  (Which means help your golf game too.)

:beach: END OF WARNING :beach:

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1) What is the actual physical measurement that bounce changes the bottom point of the wedge?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?  Meaning, how much physically different is a low and high bounce club from a height perspective?

2) Also, at the tip of the leading edge of the high and low bounce wedges, how much more is the radius of it?  The tip forms a curve (just like a "ski tip", right?) and the high bounce wedge will have more curvature.  Estimate how much physically more this is using the radius of the curvature.  Is it 1/2"?  1/32", 1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

3) When you hit a shot where the high bounce club actually "helped" you, how far back from a good shot (where you didn't need the bounce) did you hit the ground first?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

4) Based on your answer to question 3), how different is the "saved" shot when using a low bounce club as compared to a high bounce club?  Remember, a low bounce club also has a curved leading edge and rounded bottom, so you will still "save" some shots with a low bounce club too.  So how far as compared to your answer to 3) above is this?

5) Based on all your answers to questions 1) through 4), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 3) and 4)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 3) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 4) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider the flipside argument, the low bounce dig.

6) When you dig the club with a low bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

7) When you dig the club with a high bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

8) Based on all your answers to questions 1), 2), 6), and 7), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 6) and 7)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 7) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 6) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider how these shots are actually created.

9) Envision creating the "saved" bounce shots from 3) and 4) above and all the details of how it happens.  What is the AoA that would create each shot?  Are they the same AoAs?  Too steep?  Too shallow?  How and why are they different if so?

10) Based on your answer to 9), what would happen to those same shots if you hit them EXACTLY the same, BUT... you were using the OTHER bounce club?  Would the shot(s) then turn into a mishit?  Would the shot(s) then be saved?  Please explain it with your understanding of the physics.

11) Envision creating the "dug" mishit shots from 6) and 7) above and all the details of how it happens.  Are they from different AoAs?  How different if so?

12) How is it that it is so easy to take a really long divot in soft wet ground but yet the clubs bounce such a short distance as per your answers to 3) and 4) above?

BTW, I have no issue if this post is completely ignored.  Simply consider it twelve of the "dirty dozen" questions that I have asked myself a million (<- exaggeration so please don't nitpick) times before coming to my conclusions that high bounce has ZERO benefit from a theoretical perspective.

Note also that all of these questions should be asked for EVERY type of wedge lie, but I chose one of the more conventional lies.  If you care to answer all of it for other lie types, feel free.  Or just ignore.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 07:55 PM

View Postglk, on 13 May 2016 - 05:20 AM, said:

Before Jester was besting Maverick there was this (don't know how this thread could last for over 30 posts without it)

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:08 PM

Holy cow. I've been slowly following along and man you guys rocked out a few pages haha. I don't even know where to begin haha. I hope all is well in confession land.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:14 PM

View PostBIG STU, on 13 May 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

:busted_cop:  WARNING :busted_cop:

By reading this post any further, AND you still think high bounce is "helping" you so much, your head may explode.  Alternatively you may finally understand that I'm really trying to help you!  (Which means help your golf game too.)

:beach: END OF WARNING :beach:

This is a short quiz for any HBBs (High Bounce Believers) that still believe there is a significant benefit to bounce that outweighs all of its detriments.  The only requirements to taking this quiz are that you answer truthfully and to the best of your abilities.  Also you may need to really study the differences between a low and high bounce wedge (...ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL...) and even hit some shots with both of them.  (Take your time before responding!)  You can just envision this all if you want and just treat it as another "thought experiment".  And lastly, to set one parameter equal, please answer under the assumption that the lie is soft turf after a rain where supposedly high bounce helps.

1) What is the actual physical measurement that bounce changes the bottom point of the wedge?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?  Meaning, how much physically different is a low and high bounce club from a height perspective?

2) Also, at the tip of the leading edge of the high and low bounce wedges, how much more is the radius of it?  The tip forms a curve (just like a "ski tip", right?) and the high bounce wedge will have more curvature.  Estimate how much physically more this is using the radius of the curvature.  Is it 1/2"?  1/32", 1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

3) When you hit a shot where the high bounce club actually "helped" you, how far back from a good shot (where you didn't need the bounce) did you hit the ground first?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

4) Based on your answer to question 3), how different is the "saved" shot when using a low bounce club as compared to a high bounce club?  Remember, a low bounce club also has a curved leading edge and rounded bottom, so you will still "save" some shots with a low bounce club too.  So how far as compared to your answer to 3) above is this?

5) Based on all your answers to questions 1) through 4), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 3) and 4)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 3) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 4) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider the flipside argument, the low bounce dig.

6) When you dig the club with a low bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

7) When you dig the club with a high bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

8) Based on all your answers to questions 1), 2), 6), and 7), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 6) and 7)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 7) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 6) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider how these shots are actually created.

9) Envision creating the "saved" bounce shots from 3) and 4) above and all the details of how it happens.  What is the AoA that would create each shot?  Are they the same AoAs?  Too steep?  Too shallow?  How and why are they different if so?

10) Based on your answer to 9), what would happen to those same shots if you hit them EXACTLY the same, BUT... you were using the OTHER bounce club?  Would the shot(s) then turn into a mishit?  Would the shot(s) then be saved?  Please explain it with your understanding of the physics.

11) Envision creating the "dug" mishit shots from 6) and 7) above and all the details of how it happens.  Are they from different AoAs?  How different if so?

12) How is it that it is so easy to take a really long divot in soft wet ground but yet the clubs bounce such a short distance as per your answers to 3) and 4) above?

BTW, I have no issue if this post is completely ignored.  Simply consider it twelve of the "dirty dozen" questions that I have asked myself a million (<- exaggeration so please don't nitpick) times before coming to my conclusions that high bounce has ZERO benefit from a theoretical perspective.

Note also that all of these questions should be asked for EVERY type of wedge lie, but I chose one of the more conventional lies.  If you care to answer all of it for other lie types, feel free.  Or just ignore.
I am fixing to open up another can of worms on this deal. Effective bounce also has to do with how steep or shallow an individual's swing is too

Patience STU-san.  Patience.  This is just the beginning.  They (HBBs) got to challenge my (100% theoretically true) physics.  Now it is their turn to justify their own "beliefs".

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:24 PM

Nice ace at The Players today for Danny Noonan Will Wilcox.



Confession: I knocked this up for another thread, but though it might give you gents a chuckle.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:25 PM

View PostWolfWRX, on 13 May 2016 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nice ace at the Players today for Danny Noonan Will Wilcox.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:32 PM

View PostPapa Johick, on 13 May 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Holy cow. I've been slowly following along and man you guys rocked out a few pages haha. I don't even know where to begin haha. I hope all is well in confession land.

Ninja a little update for you on the nikes. I think the feel is superior to the macs haha. Sorry stu haha. It's just so dang solid. I think I am going to look at buying the new project x Lz iron shafts for then though. Depending on price that is. Flight is decent and all but the feel is heavy and rigid. I'm swinging all out and then some for the longer irons which isn't a bad thing because I'm hitting them well but occasionally it causes either a thin weak fade or a perfectly struck ball that gets pulled left haha. Just need a different feel shaft wise.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 09:18 PM

Shot a pretty shabby round today, though most of it was in heavy rain. Hit a  lot of pull/hook drives, and thin iron shots. In retrospect, I felt like I was not extending and firing all the way through the ball, kind of alligator arming. You know, like when a receiver has to extend for a pass over the middle of the field, but he knows the safety is coming at him, so he pulls his arms in a little and drops the ball.

Edit: and still gets hits by the safety anyway!

Edited by thug the bunny, 13 May 2016 - 11:19 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 09:19 PM

View PostWolfWRX, on 13 May 2016 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nice ace at The Players today for Danny Noonan Will Wilcox.

Attachment Screen Shot 2016-05-13 at 20.42.24.png

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The Look-a Likes thread?? That was an awesome thread, lol.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM

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Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
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Edited by mdgboxx, 13 May 2016 - 09:30 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 09:31 PM

View PostMatt J, on 13 May 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:

Ninja, you know you have my respect.  I appreciate anyone with a healthy disregard for authority.  The manufacturers and by default this site, promote the consumerism side of golf and in my mind that detracts from what it's really about.  To each their own.

Here's a photo of the pink shorts for you guys to get a laugh.... I wasn't kidding!  I might not have a 32 inch waist like Conrad, but I've been needing to rock a little more color, still no white belt :)  BTW, I broke my "no selfies" rule for you guys.  I expect a zillion likes by night fall.

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Nice shorts Mattster!!

And gray is a great color choice to go with red.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:05 PM

View Postbillh17, on 13 May 2016 - 08:30 AM, said:

View PostMichael C., on 12 May 2016 - 09:47 PM, said:

View PostConrad1953, on 12 May 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

View PostPeanutsDaddy, on 12 May 2016 - 08:25 PM, said:

I made a decision to bounce on over here as well.  

PHYSICS, SCIENCE, BLADES!!!!!

Throw another down the hatch.   Let's get drunk tonight.

Yes! LOL.

Well, since being back out on the road for 6 weeks I've bought 2 golf clubs,
8 shafts, 11 golf shirts and a pair of golf shorts. I just can't STOP!! It's too
much fun.

I'm hoarding for retirement I think, haha.

Lol. I picked up a pair of the Ecco golf shoes last weekend at the PGA SS in Chicago. Actually, Downers Grove. It's all about the shoes. There were at least 7 or 8 pairs I wanted.

Still searching for the magic 3w. My Cleveland is okay but just not quite right. Maybe, I should get some lead tape and doctor it up. ;)

All I probably REALLY need is some bright red golf shorts, eh?

I have tried everything from lead tape,up to and including metal screws attached to the shaft with ducktape!  I finally just admitted that
I am one of the weirdo's that can't hit a 3W....it is no longer in the bag...I had no confidence in the club....

I tried them, I didn't play them b/c I had  early Wilson 1200, SYSTEM 45, driver, FWs. But if you can find an early Adams Tight Lies, 3W to fool with, it could be the cure for your lack of confidence. If they came out today, they would fit in the hybrid category for sure.

My 1200, 1-3-5 metal woods where about the size of persimons, and steel shafted, still. Graphite came later that year IIRC.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:13 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 12 May 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

I know nothing about any of those things. I am in

Oh no another lefty. These threads are magnets for lefties. I think you may have
officially rendered righties as a minority in here now. If you post your swing make
sure to do an extra one in the mirror so us righties can understand it.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:17 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostReasonability, on 12 May 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

MC -

Golf shoe confession -

You remember metal spikes of course.  Well I got this GREAT pair that felt like absolute heaven.  Man they were spiffy.  And - the spikes were ceramic - built right into the soles - never needed replacing - guaranteed for life!  If the Mrs. would let me - I'd have worn those puppies around the house!

Got a month in - and some dip-wad decided soft spike were in and hard spikes were out.  This touched off a series of events.

This stirred such rage in me that I wrote every executive of every company in the world a letter asking for better/smarter decision making. Letters went to governments and world leaders.   My crisis was everyone/s crisis.  My writings were essentially a plea begging for all dip-wads to be hung on the courthouse lawn forthwith.

Evidently one of my letters fell into the wrong hands or perhaps in my rage I may have sent one too many angry letters to one too many world leaders -

But now you know the REAL story behind how the Falkland Island War started.  (When I said "boats" I meant SHOES but you know how folks twist things and misinterpret stuff).

Anywho - enjoy your new boats - and putters.  And take it from a friend... if they outlaw your shoes or putters --- just roll with it man.  The world will be a better place if you do.

The "friends" who decided for me that I would pick up Golf, promising to teach me all they know, LOL, made it a point to help me choose my first pair of shoes. One "shoe expert" drove me to a Golf store and I came out with an expensive pair of Mizuno ceramic spikes---Guaranteed for Life---. The following year, they were banned.  :cheesy:

I haven't worn Actual golf shoes in in a couple years now. Been wearing Turf cleats meant for Football I think? And a pair of Perry Ellis America shoes with a heavy tread. They work great :)

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:29 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Lurked on Gigagolf.com and found this:

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Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
If I ordered now, 3-PW, shipped, it would be ±$500 CAD, unless Customs castrates me.
Shipped by Fedex

That's a nice looking blade.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:33 PM

View PostBIG STU, on 13 May 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

:busted_cop:  WARNING :busted_cop:

By reading this post any further, AND you still think high bounce is "helping" you so much, your head may explode.  Alternatively you may finally understand that I'm really trying to help you!  (Which means help your golf game too.)

:beach: END OF WARNING :beach:

This is a short quiz for any HBBs (High Bounce Believers) that still believe there is a significant benefit to bounce that outweighs all of its detriments.  The only requirements to taking this quiz are that you answer truthfully and to the best of your abilities.  Also you may need to really study the differences between a low and high bounce wedge (...ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL...) and even hit some shots with both of them.  (Take your time before responding!)  You can just envision this all if you want and just treat it as another "thought experiment".  And lastly, to set one parameter equal, please answer under the assumption that the lie is soft turf after a rain where supposedly high bounce helps.

1) What is the actual physical measurement that bounce changes the bottom point of the wedge?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?  Meaning, how much physically different is a low and high bounce club from a height perspective?

2) Also, at the tip of the leading edge of the high and low bounce wedges, how much more is the radius of it?  The tip forms a curve (just like a "ski tip", right?) and the high bounce wedge will have more curvature.  Estimate how much physically more this is using the radius of the curvature.  Is it 1/2"?  1/32", 1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

3) When you hit a shot where the high bounce club actually "helped" you, how far back from a good shot (where you didn't need the bounce) did you hit the ground first?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

4) Based on your answer to question 3), how different is the "saved" shot when using a low bounce club as compared to a high bounce club?  Remember, a low bounce club also has a curved leading edge and rounded bottom, so you will still "save" some shots with a low bounce club too.  So how far as compared to your answer to 3) above is this?

5) Based on all your answers to questions 1) through 4), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 3) and 4)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 3) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 4) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider the flipside argument, the low bounce dig.

6) When you dig the club with a low bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

7) When you dig the club with a high bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

8) Based on all your answers to questions 1), 2), 6), and 7), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 6) and 7)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 7) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 6) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider how these shots are actually created.

9) Envision creating the "saved" bounce shots from 3) and 4) above and all the details of how it happens.  What is the AoA that would create each shot?  Are they the same AoAs?  Too steep?  Too shallow?  How and why are they different if so?

10) Based on your answer to 9), what would happen to those same shots if you hit them EXACTLY the same, BUT... you were using the OTHER bounce club?  Would the shot(s) then turn into a mishit?  Would the shot(s) then be saved?  Please explain it with your understanding of the physics.

11) Envision creating the "dug" mishit shots from 6) and 7) above and all the details of how it happens.  Are they from different AoAs?  How different if so?

12) How is it that it is so easy to take a really long divot in soft wet ground but yet the clubs bounce such a short distance as per your answers to 3) and 4) above?

BTW, I have no issue if this post is completely ignored.  Simply consider it twelve of the "dirty dozen" questions that I have asked myself a million (<- exaggeration so please don't nitpick) times before coming to my conclusions that high bounce has ZERO benefit from a theoretical perspective.

Note also that all of these questions should be asked for EVERY type of wedge lie, but I chose one of the more conventional lies.  If you care to answer all of it for other lie types, feel free.  Or just ignore.
I am fixing to open up another can of worms on this deal. Effective bounce also has to do with how steep or shallow an individual's swing is too

Oh no, are you sure you want that can opened? I'm an EBB also Stu. And
don't forget that degrees of shaft lean at impact are a factor too. Us EBBs
bounce around from lots of lean to back to vertical, where we go braless
and all the bounce is exposed.
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:40 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Lurked on Gigagolf.com and found this:

Posted ImagePosted Image

Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
If I ordered now, 3-PW, shipped, it would be ±$500 CAD, unless Customs castrates me.
Shipped by Fedex

Did you end up getting them?? Customs is hit or miss I find ordering from the states. Sometimes it's not much and others it's killer. I don't understand how it works?? Lol
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:42 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Lurked on Gigagolf.com and found this:

Posted ImagePosted Image

Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
If I ordered now, 3-PW, shipped, it would be ±$500 CAD, unless Customs castrates me.
Shipped by Fedex

Are you serious mdg? I'll trade you my Macs for your S58s. I could use a back
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:42 PM

View PostPigems, on 13 May 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostReasonability, on 12 May 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

MC -

Golf shoe confession -

You remember metal spikes of course.  Well I got this GREAT pair that felt like absolute heaven.  Man they were spiffy.  And - the spikes were ceramic - built right into the soles - never needed replacing - guaranteed for life!  If the Mrs. would let me - I'd have worn those puppies around the house!

Got a month in - and some dip-wad decided soft spike were in and hard spikes were out.  This touched off a series of events.

This stirred such rage in me that I wrote every executive of every company in the world a letter asking for better/smarter decision making. Letters went to governments and world leaders.   My crisis was everyone/s crisis.  My writings were essentially a plea begging for all dip-wads to be hung on the courthouse lawn forthwith.

Evidently one of my letters fell into the wrong hands or perhaps in my rage I may have sent one too many angry letters to one too many world leaders -

But now you know the REAL story behind how the Falkland Island War started.  (When I said "boats" I meant SHOES but you know how folks twist things and misinterpret stuff).

Anywho - enjoy your new boats - and putters.  And take it from a friend... if they outlaw your shoes or putters --- just roll with it man.  The world will be a better place if you do.

The "friends" who decided for me that I would pick up Golf, promising to teach me all they know, LOL, made it a point to help me choose my first pair of shoes. One "shoe expert" drove me to a Golf store and I came out with an expensive pair of Mizuno ceramic spikes---Guaranteed for Life---. The following year, they were banned.  :cheesy:

I haven't worn Actual golf shoes in in a couple years now. Been wearing Turf cleats meant for Football I think? And a pair of Perry Ellis America shoes with a heavy tread. They work great :)

There are a bunch of guys at my course who play in non-golf shoes. Everything from sneakers to one guy who uses a pair of casual wing tips with an aggressive tread. Me, I like golf shoes with spikes. Pigs, don't tell the rest of WRX you wear football cleats or you will be derided as a libertarian who thinks he can just make his own rules and do what he pleases.

So there is really only here and now

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:46 PM

View PostPapa Johick, on 13 May 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

...

Ninja a little update for you on the nikes. I think the feel is superior to the macs haha. Sorry stu haha. It's just so dang solid. I think I am going to look at buying the new project x Lz iron shafts for then though. Depending on price that is. Flight is decent and all but the feel is heavy and rigid. I'm swinging all out and then some for the longer irons which isn't a bad thing because I'm hitting them well but occasionally it causes either a thin weak fade or a perfectly struck ball that gets pulled left haha. Just need a different feel shaft wise.

That simple muscle shape on the Nikes is what makes them feel so solid.  You can't go wrong with that design.  The classic blade shape is like a samurai sword.  There is really no need to change it or add more curves and angles.  Just put a simple and solid muscle behind the impact area of the club and you will get simple and solid feeling shots.

Not a fan of Project X.  I am biased against them because when they came out, they were also considered Rifles but they felt nothing like the original Royal Precision Rifles.  If you want to go the opposite direction of heavy and rigid, have you considered Nippons?
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:54 PM

View Postthug the bunny, on 13 May 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

View PostPigems, on 13 May 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostReasonability, on 12 May 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

MC -

Golf shoe confession -

You remember metal spikes of course.  Well I got this GREAT pair that felt like absolute heaven.  Man they were spiffy.  And - the spikes were ceramic - built right into the soles - never needed replacing - guaranteed for life!  If the Mrs. would let me - I'd have worn those puppies around the house!

Got a month in - and some dip-wad decided soft spike were in and hard spikes were out.  This touched off a series of events.

This stirred such rage in me that I wrote every executive of every company in the world a letter asking for better/smarter decision making. Letters went to governments and world leaders.   My crisis was everyone/s crisis.  My writings were essentially a plea begging for all dip-wads to be hung on the courthouse lawn forthwith.

Evidently one of my letters fell into the wrong hands or perhaps in my rage I may have sent one too many angry letters to one too many world leaders -

But now you know the REAL story behind how the Falkland Island War started.  (When I said "boats" I meant SHOES but you know how folks twist things and misinterpret stuff).

Anywho - enjoy your new boats - and putters.  And take it from a friend... if they outlaw your shoes or putters --- just roll with it man.  The world will be a better place if you do.

The "friends" who decided for me that I would pick up Golf, promising to teach me all they know, LOL, made it a point to help me choose my first pair of shoes. One "shoe expert" drove me to a Golf store and I came out with an expensive pair of Mizuno ceramic spikes---Guaranteed for Life---. The following year, they were banned.  :cheesy:

I haven't worn Actual golf shoes in in a couple years now. Been wearing Turf cleats meant for Football I think? And a pair of Perry Ellis America shoes with a heavy tread. They work great :)

There are a bunch of guys at my course who play in non-golf shoes. Everything from sneakers to one guy who uses a pair of casual wing tips with an aggressive tread. Me, I like golf shoes with spikes. Pigs, don't tell the rest of WRX you wear football cleats or you will be derided as a libertarian who thinks he can just make his own rules and do what he pleases.

Yeah, that sounds about right lol. I play by my own rules, Never had a real lesson or been fitted either haha. :)
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 11:06 PM

View PostConrad1953, on 13 May 2016 - 10:33 PM, said:

View PostBIG STU, on 13 May 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 13 May 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

:busted_cop:  WARNING :busted_cop:

By reading this post any further, AND you still think high bounce is "helping" you so much, your head may explode.  Alternatively you may finally understand that I'm really trying to help you!  (Which means help your golf game too.)

:beach: END OF WARNING :beach:

This is a short quiz for any HBBs (High Bounce Believers) that still believe there is a significant benefit to bounce that outweighs all of its detriments.  The only requirements to taking this quiz are that you answer truthfully and to the best of your abilities.  Also you may need to really study the differences between a low and high bounce wedge (...ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL...) and even hit some shots with both of them.  (Take your time before responding!)  You can just envision this all if you want and just treat it as another "thought experiment".  And lastly, to set one parameter equal, please answer under the assumption that the lie is soft turf after a rain where supposedly high bounce helps.

1) What is the actual physical measurement that bounce changes the bottom point of the wedge?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?  Meaning, how much physically different is a low and high bounce club from a height perspective?

2) Also, at the tip of the leading edge of the high and low bounce wedges, how much more is the radius of it?  The tip forms a curve (just like a "ski tip", right?) and the high bounce wedge will have more curvature.  Estimate how much physically more this is using the radius of the curvature.  Is it 1/2"?  1/32", 1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

3) When you hit a shot where the high bounce club actually "helped" you, how far back from a good shot (where you didn't need the bounce) did you hit the ground first?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

4) Based on your answer to question 3), how different is the "saved" shot when using a low bounce club as compared to a high bounce club?  Remember, a low bounce club also has a curved leading edge and rounded bottom, so you will still "save" some shots with a low bounce club too.  So how far as compared to your answer to 3) above is this?

5) Based on all your answers to questions 1) through 4), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 3) and 4)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 3) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 4) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider the flipside argument, the low bounce dig.

6) When you dig the club with a low bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

7) When you dig the club with a high bounce wedge, physically how deep would you dig before it became a bad shot?  1/2"?  1/32"?  1mm?  Fractions of a millimeter?  Other?

8) Based on all your answers to questions 1), 2), 6), and 7), please explain, based on your own understanding of the physics, how the dimensions of 1) and 2) explain the size of 6) and 7)?  Meaning, how can they be different or how can they be the same?  For example, Is 1) > 7) and why is it that way?  Is 2) < 6) and why is that?  Why are any of them equal with each other?  Please consider ALL combinations and justify each one using physics to the best of your ability.

Now let's consider how these shots are actually created.

9) Envision creating the "saved" bounce shots from 3) and 4) above and all the details of how it happens.  What is the AoA that would create each shot?  Are they the same AoAs?  Too steep?  Too shallow?  How and why are they different if so?

10) Based on your answer to 9), what would happen to those same shots if you hit them EXACTLY the same, BUT... you were using the OTHER bounce club?  Would the shot(s) then turn into a mishit?  Would the shot(s) then be saved?  Please explain it with your understanding of the physics.

11) Envision creating the "dug" mishit shots from 6) and 7) above and all the details of how it happens.  Are they from different AoAs?  How different if so?

12) How is it that it is so easy to take a really long divot in soft wet ground but yet the clubs bounce such a short distance as per your answers to 3) and 4) above?

BTW, I have no issue if this post is completely ignored.  Simply consider it twelve of the "dirty dozen" questions that I have asked myself a million (<- exaggeration so please don't nitpick) times before coming to my conclusions that high bounce has ZERO benefit from a theoretical perspective.

Note also that all of these questions should be asked for EVERY type of wedge lie, but I chose one of the more conventional lies.  If you care to answer all of it for other lie types, feel free.  Or just ignore.
I am fixing to open up another can of worms on this deal. Effective bounce also has to do with how steep or shallow an individual's swing is too

Oh no, are you sure you want that can opened? I'm an EBB also Stu. And
don't forget that degrees of shaft lean at impact are a factor too. Us EBBs
bounce around from lots of lean to back to vertical, where we go braless
and all the bounce is exposed.

It's funny you mention all this because when you make the shaft more vertical, that exposed bounce simply increases your odds of hitting the ground first instead of the ball compared to doing the same with a low bounce wedge.  AND...when you make the shaft vertical, the low bounce wedge has no greater chance of digging than the high bounce wedge.  Their leading edges are at the same position, but the high bounce wedge has a lower bottom that INTERFERES with the ground.

So how is it with your version of the "physics" that the low bounce wedge digs more when ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL?

Doesn't it take a steep AoA to make the clubhead dig?

And then when you swing both clubs with a steep AoA, how is it that soft wet ground immediately makes the high bounce wedge NOT dig?  How is it that the steep AoA swing suddenly turns shallow due to the bounce?  And how can you take a really nice divot intentionally with a high bounce wedge in soft wet ground?

Can you please explain all this physics when all those shaft leans and angles are going to be the same between a high and low bounce wedge?   At what specific angle, WITH BOTH CLUBS, does the low bounce wedge "dig" and the high bounce wedge "bounces"?  Again the ground is soft and wet too and then also you can easily take divots with ANY club?  How does soft wet turf reroute a high bounce wedge which also changes the position of shaft, hands, and arms?

While you are at it, can you estimate how many bad shots your high bounce wedges save you (compared to a low bounce wedge) but also estimate how many of them cost you when the high bounce wedge hits the ground first and/or blades the ball when the low bounce wedge doesn't?
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Posted 13 May 2016 - 11:09 PM

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Lurked on Gigagolf.com and found this:

Posted ImagePosted Image

Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
If I ordered now, 3-PW, shipped, it would be ±$500 CAD, unless Customs castrates me.
Shipped by Fedex


Dammit MGD, why did you have to awaken the ho in me? I was sure I was set for another 5 yrs cause I have a new backup set of FGs. Damn those things look hot. I went to the website, and all the reviews were off the charts, and they sounded genuine. And for $400 US? You gotta be kidding me. Uh oh, my heart rate is starting to rise. Luckily, my wallet is in my truck and I'm firmly entrenched in my couch right now.

Edited by thug the bunny, 13 May 2016 - 11:28 PM.

So there is really only here and now

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 11:35 PM

View Postthug the bunny, on 13 May 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

View Postmdgboxx, on 13 May 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Lurked on Gigagolf.com and found this:

Posted ImagePosted Image

Made of 1035c carbon steel.
Forged
If I ordered now, 3-PW, shipped, it would be ±$500 CAD, unless Customs castrates me.
Shipped by Fedex


Dammit MGD, why did you have to awaken the ho in me? I was sure I was set for another 5 yrs cause I have a new backup set of FGs. Damn those things look hot. I went to the website, and all the reviews were off the charts, and they sounded genuine. And for $400 US? You gotta be kidding me. Uh oh, my heart rate is starting to rise...

Sweet clubs.  What's the "bounce" on them?


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