workplace challenge best ball match between trades
#1
Posted 10 November 2007 - 01:43 AM
What are our chances?
Ratings from tees Black 7310 yds 75.7/152
Blue 6406 yds 71.7/138
This might help with opinions the whites are forward tees so we will probably end up playing the blues the whites are only 5100 yds
#2
Posted 10 November 2007 - 03:19 AM
Score - 79.5
Avg Drive - 265
Fairways - 7 / 14 (50%)
Greens In Reg - 8 / 18 (45%)
Putts per Round - 31.3
Sand Save % - 32%
Per Round
Eagles - 0.035
Birdies - 1.4
Pars - 9.1
Bogies - 6.1
Double Bogies - 1.2
Triple Bogies - 0.2
Other (+4 or worse) - 0.035
I'm a stats freak and I am really strict about my stats. No fudging on my numbers. These are comprehensive over 46 rounds this year. Your friend obviously only remembers his good shots. Make sure you play from a tee that is between 6400 and 6700 yards, just in case he wants to pull any crap. Your chances are definitely better than you think.
#3
Posted 10 November 2007 - 03:38 AM
a) 295-315 is a BIG average drive stat....
b) Even Tiger Woods doesn't hit 96% of GIR from 186....
So it's possible his cap is a bit different than the "6" he claims to be....more than likely higher.
However when going into a wager like this one...you do have to be cautious.
I don't know the guy...but is it possible he's baiting you guys into a match? Or is it more of a guy says he's better than he really is.
That being said, I'm assuming it's going to be heads up...no strokes?
If so how confident are you and your partner in regards to playing to you caps?
Because if this guy really is a 6....you guys are spotting him a bunch of strokes which may/may not be made up by the fact you guys are playing best ball.
For myself I currently play just off scratch....but remember when I played to a 4-5 I was prettty dangerous in match play because in matches I tend to make a pile of pars, 1-2 birdies, a handful of bogeys, and next to no doubles.
Since I made a lot of pars....it seemingly forced my opponants to play too agressively since they felt they needed birdies to win....and put huge pressure on them if they mishit a shot, as they felt a bogey was at very best a push....
#4
Posted 10 November 2007 - 04:17 AM
Anyway,we were hoping to play on Sunday but he has to seal the floor on the jobsite so hopefully next weekend.
#5
Posted 10 November 2007 - 06:06 PM
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
What are our chances?
Ratings from tees Black 7310 yds 75.7/152
Blue 6406 yds 71.7/138
This might help with opinions the whites are forward tees so we will probably end up playing the blues the whites are only 5100 yds
I have no idea what he's talking about 96% bs... But if he's really a 6, his average is about an 80... if you do this, lay down the rules before hand. Make sure he understands the rules of golf. None of this play the OB like a lateral hazard, or rolling the ball, etc. Tell him you play the ball down and play by all the rules of golf.
I have to say, however, if you DO play him for $20 a hole, he may be closer to a +6... let us know how it goes!
#6
Posted 10 November 2007 - 06:08 PM
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
BTW, I would think you should be able to shoot about a best ball 74 or 75... Depends on what type of 10 and 12 handicappers you are. Some 10s make a lot of pars, but have their share of 7s and 8s.
#8
Posted 10 November 2007 - 09:42 PM
larrybud, on Nov 10 2007, 06:08 PM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
BTW, I would think you should be able to shoot about a best ball 74 or 75... Depends on what type of 10 and 12 handicappers you are. Some 10s make a lot of pars, but have their share of 7s and 8s.
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 09:22 PM, said:
I think he is too I just hope he doesn't try to back out.I tried to set it up for tommorrow but he says he can't so I'm hoping for next week.I'm looking forward to it
#9
Posted 11 November 2007 - 06:10 PM
The rating for the course we played today is 69.3/131 so it's pretty similar to the course we're going to play
#10
Posted 11 November 2007 - 06:41 PM
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 06:22 PM, said:
lol my thoughts exactly. there's really only one time i've seen someone get hustled, and it was a buddy right after our central valley golf tournament in high school.
i would be amazed if this guy actually hustled you and actually won.
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 06:42 PM, said:
larrybud, on Nov 10 2007, 06:08 PM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
BTW, I would think you should be able to shoot about a best ball 74 or 75... Depends on what type of 10 and 12 handicappers you are. Some 10s make a lot of pars, but have their share of 7s and 8s.
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 09:22 PM, said:
I think he is too I just hope he doesn't try to back out.I tried to set it up for tommorrow but he says he can't so I'm hoping for next week.I'm looking forward to it
Get this writing
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 03:10 PM, said:
The rating for the course we played today is 69.3/131 so it's pretty similar to the course we're going to play
I think you guys can play half decent and beat him man...
If he's playing the back tees on a track that's 75/150 or something I would call him a long shot to win.
On a side note, I played off scratch last year and I wouldn't have even taken this bet for $20/hole on that course.
Is this Ko'olau?
#11
Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:46 PM
j0npeterson, on Nov 11 2007, 06:41 PM, said:
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 06:22 PM, said:
lol my thoughts exactly. there's really only one time i've seen someone get hustled, and it was a buddy right after our central valley golf tournament in high school.
i would be amazed if this guy actually hustled you and actually won.
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 06:42 PM, said:
larrybud, on Nov 10 2007, 06:08 PM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
BTW, I would think you should be able to shoot about a best ball 74 or 75... Depends on what type of 10 and 12 handicappers you are. Some 10s make a lot of pars, but have their share of 7s and 8s.
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 09:22 PM, said:
I think he is too I just hope he doesn't try to back out.I tried to set it up for tommorrow but he says he can't so I'm hoping for next week.I'm looking forward to it
Get this writing
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 03:10 PM, said:
The rating for the course we played today is 69.3/131 so it's pretty similar to the course we're going to play
I think you guys can play half decent and beat him man...
If he's playing the back tees on a track that's 75/150 or something I would call him a long shot to win.
On a side note, I played off scratch last year and I wouldn't have even taken this bet for $20/hole on that course.
Is this Ko'olau?
Yes it is koolau we'll be playing,his choice.We played Luana Hills today
#12
Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:52 PM
#13
Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:54 PM
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 04:46 PM, said:
j0npeterson, on Nov 11 2007, 06:41 PM, said:
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 06:22 PM, said:
lol my thoughts exactly. there's really only one time i've seen someone get hustled, and it was a buddy right after our central valley golf tournament in high school.
i would be amazed if this guy actually hustled you and actually won.
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 06:42 PM, said:
larrybud, on Nov 10 2007, 06:08 PM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 01:43 AM, said:
BTW, I would think you should be able to shoot about a best ball 74 or 75... Depends on what type of 10 and 12 handicappers you are. Some 10s make a lot of pars, but have their share of 7s and 8s.
EZPINCHER, on Nov 10 2007, 09:22 PM, said:
I think he is too I just hope he doesn't try to back out.I tried to set it up for tommorrow but he says he can't so I'm hoping for next week.I'm looking forward to it
Get this writing
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 03:10 PM, said:
The rating for the course we played today is 69.3/131 so it's pretty similar to the course we're going to play
I think you guys can play half decent and beat him man...
If he's playing the back tees on a track that's 75/150 or something I would call him a long shot to win.
On a side note, I played off scratch last year and I wouldn't have even taken this bet for $20/hole on that course.
Is this Ko'olau?
Yes it is koolau we'll be playing,his choice.We played Luana Hills today
Man, tough course. He must be into some type of golf-masochism. He's going to play for $20/hole from the tips... he's either a stick or a moonshine-dipping alcoholic.
Play well man. Take his money, then sell him a bridge.
#14
Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:01 PM
I'd consider it $$ in the bank if all the #'s are right... but I think he's BSing anyway which will give you even more of an advantage.
#15
Posted 11 November 2007 - 10:50 PM
i know it's been said before but: BURY THIS GUY. good luck!
#16
Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:11 PM
Your company must be paying him very well for the project he's doing; acually $20 times 18 = $360, that's not going to break his bank.
Just remember, if you ever play him and won handedly; never ever go up on the betting ceiling.
I suspect that after his lost to you and your partner, he'll bring in aomeone else for a rematch.
#17
Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:25 PM
It's unreal what you can shoot too when you're playing best ball that's why it's so surprising that he's so willing to play against us.
#18
Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:49 PM
wkuo3, on Nov 11 2007, 08:11 PM, said:
Your company must be paying him very well for the project he's doing; acually $20 times 18 = $360, that's not going to break his bank.
Just remember, if you ever play him and won handedly; never ever go up on the betting ceiling.
I suspect that after his lost to you and your partner, he'll bring in aomeone else for a rematch.
This isn't like your normal betting game though either.
This isn't like the white/black tees are you local muni. 6500 yards @ Koolau for them and 7300+ yards for him. I'll be amazed if he breaks 90.
I would hazard to guess that you guys would actually still beat him and a partner... even in a scramble format.
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 08:25 PM, said:
It's unreal what you can shoot too when you're playing best ball that's why it's so surprising that he's so willing to play against us.
Good luck man! I doubt you'll need it. Play your game, aim for the middle of the green and it's a lock! Take lots of pics -- I love seeing that course.
#19
Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:50 AM
And he's playing from the tips and you guys from the whites???
If so, what a dumb bet on his part....might be a bit different if he made you guys play from the tips as well....
Even at scratch I wouldn't take that bet....same tees, no strokes, and best ball perhaps....
#20
Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:56 AM
hbear, on Nov 11 2007, 09:50 PM, said:
And he's playing from the tips and you guys from the whites???
If so, what a dumb bet on his part....might be a bit different if he made you guys play from the tips as well....
Even at scratch I wouldn't take that bet....same tees, no strokes, and best ball perhaps....
He said they're playing best ball (best score on each hole). I simply said I think given the track they're playing... they'd still win if it was a scramble format.
#21
Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:23 AM
j0npeterson, on Nov 11 2007, 10:56 PM, said:
Thanks, was a bit confused when this was posted.
brnkbstr, on Nov 11 2007, 04:10 PM, said:
Made me think scramble for whatever reason.
#22
Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:16 AM
j0npeterson, on Nov 11 2007, 11:49 PM, said:
wkuo3, on Nov 11 2007, 08:11 PM, said:
Your company must be paying him very well for the project he's doing; acually $20 times 18 = $360, that's not going to break his bank.
Just remember, if you ever play him and won handedly; never ever go up on the betting ceiling.
I suspect that after his lost to you and your partner, he'll bring in aomeone else for a rematch.
This isn't like your normal betting game though either.
This isn't like the white/black tees are you local muni. 6500 yards @ Koolau for them and 7300+ yards for him. I'll be amazed if he breaks 90.
I would hazard to guess that you guys would actually still beat him and a partner... even in a scramble format.
It's no doubt that they have good odds to win this time, but I also know some hustlers could shoot low low scores when the money is right, hence reminding them never to up the ante if things changed.
I believe if you don't play golf for a living, a friendly bet should be within your means.
If you don't have it in your pocket or would hurt if departed from that sum, then you have bitten off more than you could chew.
I would always be cautious if something just fall onto your lap, way too easy.
I'm guessing either he's going to back off again next weekend or he's going to change the condition by either bringing in a partner or tee off from the same tee.
#23
Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:48 AM
And what about holes where you tie? Are they going to carry over, or will there just be no payoff on those holes? If this is a skins match where they carry over, you could stand to lose a lot of money. I hate to be a downer, but if it's your $40 against his $20, I don't think this is the easy money everyone else thinks it is.
But if it's just $20 against $20, then you should do it.
#24
Posted 13 November 2007 - 03:22 PM
wkuo3, on Nov 11 2007, 10:11 PM, said:
Your company must be paying him very well for the project he's doing; acually $20 times 18 = $360, that's not going to break his bank.
Just remember, if you ever play him and won handedly; never ever go up on the betting ceiling.
I suspect that after his lost to you and your partner, he'll bring in aomeone else for a rematch.
If this guy says agrees to a date to play you, which he won't, ensure that you both give your money to the pro to ensure payment! 360 or 180 for your team is a nice evening out on the town
Make sure the tied holes carry over
Make sure it twenty a hole not twenty/fourty
LOOK HIS NAME UP ON THE GHIN TO ENSURE HE IS NOT A STICK meaning he says i'm a 6 when he is really a +2
Good luck and post the results
#25
Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:25 PM
#28
Posted 14 November 2007 - 10:03 AM
brnkbstr, on Nov 10 2007, 02:43 AM, said:
What are our chances?
Ratings from tees Black 7310 yds 75.7/152
Blue 6406 yds 71.7/138
This might help with opinions the whites are forward tees so we will probably end up playing the blues the whites are only 5100 yds
I'm a 3 handicap and there is no way this guy is a 6 and hits 96% GIR.......if he does he must use a football to putt with!! He wouldn't be swinging a hammer for a living if he was hittin' 96% of his GIR!! Get off your wallet and play this guy......I want to know the result too. I'll play him, where's he live??
#29
Posted 15 November 2007 - 01:45 AM
#30
Posted 15 November 2007 - 02:30 AM
brnkbstr, on Nov 14 2007, 10:45 PM, said:
I dunno man... if he shot 3 under at Koolau, I would think he'd be doing something else for a job -- or at least trying. Heck, he could be a sandbagger, but I bet you'd still beat him.
Is he on the GHIN network... I wanna see his scores.
#31
Posted 15 November 2007 - 03:22 AM
j0npeterson, on Nov 15 2007, 02:30 AM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 14 2007, 10:45 PM, said:
I dunno man... if he shot 3 under at Koolau, I would think he'd be doing something else for a job -- or at least trying. Heck, he could be a sandbagger, but I bet you'd still beat him.
Is he on the GHIN network... I wanna see his scores.
I'm not sure if he is but I'll try and find out tommorrow.I'd be interested to see his scores too.
#32
Posted 15 November 2007 - 04:04 AM
brnkbstr, on Nov 15 2007, 12:22 AM, said:
j0npeterson, on Nov 15 2007, 02:30 AM, said:
brnkbstr, on Nov 14 2007, 10:45 PM, said:
I dunno man... if he shot 3 under at Koolau, I would think he'd be doing something else for a job -- or at least trying. Heck, he could be a sandbagger, but I bet you'd still beat him.
Is he on the GHIN network... I wanna see his scores.
I'm not sure if he is but I'll try and find out tommorrow.I'd be interested to see his scores too.
Just type in his name on GHIN's handicap lookup.
You can do it online.
#33
Posted 15 November 2007 - 09:14 AM
brnkbstr, on Nov 15 2007, 01:45 AM, said:
Did he say Tournament tee, Champion tee, or White tee? There are huge, huge difference.
If he colud shoot 3 under from the Tournament tee, even without the tournament course set up, he's in the category of tour player ability. I'd bet on him over Michell Wei on that score.
But, anyone could have a great golfing day, maybe that's he's best score ever.
#36
Posted 15 November 2007 - 03:48 PM





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