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Who Uses The Brandt Snedeker Putting Technique?

Putting Brandt Snedeker Putting Technique

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#31 patrick421

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:01 PM

 super20dan, on 11 September 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

i am firmly against this type of stroke. a smooth stroke with gentle acceleration is much more accurate. just watch loran roberts putt. the ball holds its line better and longer with this type stroke

I was waiting for you to show up in this thread.  Just like the last time this topic came up I'll say that there are a ton of guys who putt this way on tour and most of them are high end players with great putting stats across the board.  Loren Roberts is on the viagra tour no one is watching him anymore.  Putting is personal and there is no right or wrong way to putt.  This method works for people just like a longer more fluid style works for other guys.  The stockton method which the top two players in the world employ is a lot closer to the compact stroke/pop than a long fluid stroke that you love so much.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 05:34 PM

 TheCityGame, on 14 September 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

 jtarble, on 08 September 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

I think it mainly helps because it forces people to accentuate the "pop" - meaning accelerate thru the ball.  The one consistent feature of all great putting strokes is that they do not decelerate through the ball. This is just an extreme version of that.
One of the biggest myths in golf.  

For instance. . .

http://thesandtrap.c...hrough-the-ball

As a matter of fact, to me, the pop-stroke looks like an example of DECELLERATING.

in this video, Sned's doesn't specifically says "decel" but he talks about having a long backstroke and a short follow-through. It's pretty hard to do that when you're accelerating hard through the ball.

https://www.youtube....h?v=p5kuUcWYxwo

The guy people should watch putt is Greg Chalmers. He's not ALWAYS number 1 in stroke gained putting, but if you looked at his ranking over the last 5 or 6 years, he's probably higher ranked over that time than anyone else. He's always Top 5/Top 10 in strokes gained putting, 3 putt avoidance, etc.

Start flipping through the "Strokes Gained' years at the PGA site. You never have to scroll very far to find Chalmers, Freddie Jacobson, Snedeker.

Jacobson. . .tell me he's not decelling into the ball here.

https://www.youtube....h?v=9DViRqA6kXU

This is more about not accelerating AGGRESSIVELY through the ball. I know no one here is advocating that specifcially, but I know there are a lot of people out there who still think this way. . .

https://www.youtube....h?v=4t2DQBkqllI

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:25 PM

I have been using a version of this the last 3 months and have made more putts than I can ever remember.  Biggest thing for me was to start the clubhead before the handle and keeping the strike more compact.   At first I was messing around with really short strokes, trying to stop the putter shortly after hitting the ball/recoiling and was making some nice putts but had too many lag putts where distance control was awful.  

I'm doing much better not thinking about anything but starting the clubhead first and keeping the stroke tight.  Overall I think if golfers would focus on shortening their stroke, our results would be much better.  The same applies to the full swing

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 09:54 PM

So a quick 9 holes yesterday on pretty slick greens yielded 16 putts including one lip out.  Pretty happy with that.

In fairness I did spend 40 minutes on the practice green and my stroke has evolved to more of a Sneds/Fowler/whatever combo with more energy into the ball & abbreviated follow through.  Driving was rubbish though...sigh :(
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Posted 18 September 2015 - 06:15 PM

Interesting, got a tip from a mate that maybe my wavering takeaway was due to the weight in the putterhead (I like 350g+).  He suggested that in Sneds video he was using a 10 year old Odyssey with only 310g from his recollection.  Good point for anyone considering this technique.  

Not sure I can do it but might try a lightweight cheapy from the putter bin and see how it feels.

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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:16 PM

I've used this method off and on for about 2 years, have had great success and great failure.  One of the guys I always plays with uses this method and is the best putter I have ever seen.  Shoot he was screwing around the other day and was using his wedge all day on the greens and was putting better then any of us.

I feel as if it takes some of the unknowns out of the stroke, describe it like a gun shot.  Its very quick and to the point as to not have the time for the blade or the stroke to waiver.  Speed is the hardest part, sometimes I would have almost a yip, like I was inbetween strokes and would just flat out murder the golf ball 20 feet past the hole.  Currently I average 31.6 putts a round, I plan on returning to this system this weekend.  Will give it a go and let you know how it goes.
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Posted 21 September 2015 - 10:11 AM

I was waiting to see how your weekend went on course tooly.  Off a 5.9 and 31.6 ppr, I'm guessing putting is one of the few parts of your game that might have room for improvement.  I'm like 10 shots worse than you :(

Interesting that I had a mate over on TCC talk about his fitting experience at Scotty's gallery and how he tweaked his stroke based on the analysis.  I guess we all have our strengths but his average was and apparently still is around 27 putts per round, and he changed from a pop stroke back to a slower stroke with a longer follow through.  Can't understand why you'd touch anyhting with that average, as I said to him it's better than the best US PGA tour average!!

Don't know what my exact average is (34-35 I'd say) but if I can keep to 32 or below I'd be happy and lose at least a couple of strokes off my handicap.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:15 AM

A bit of a revival from the dead for this thread, but I started to get really interested in this putting stroke at the end of last season (Sept-Nov for me here in the northeast). I think the roll on the ball sold me towards this stroke, but on 4 foot and in I go back to a pencil/claw with a conventional shoulder rock stroke.

However, I am a center shaft guy, putters with offset really hinders my aim because I putt left handed and am right eye dominant. I play with a Seemore FGP (the brass looking older model), which I really like.

Here's my question to those who use this stroke, or perhaps have in the past. Can a larger putter grip (going to try a Tour SNSR straight) do any harm to this stroke?

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 05:02 PM

 Texsport, on 08 September 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Great putters using a pop stroke were some of the greatest of all time - Walter Hagan, Bobby Locke, Arnold Palmer, Billy Casper, Gary Player, and most recently, Cory Pavin, Brad Faxon, Web Simpson, and Brandt Snedeker.

I see a lot of this type stroke with Rickie Fowler also.

Generally, a heavier putter was used and a great sense of touch is required. A very light grip is recommended so as not to restrict the swinging action of the putter head.

Snedeker's method actually resembles a belly putter's mechanics somewhat - anchoring the putt of the putter and letting the head swing, actually improving accuracy for some players, so that these players concentrate on speed rather than line generally.

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I'm really curious about this method as well as I can't seem to decide what I feel is best for me and have varying degrees of success between something like this "pop" stroke and a longer flowing stroke.  Question as it relates to what Texasport said, you mentioned Faxon & Pavin.  Didn't those guys, Faxon in particular, have a pretty long, flowing stroke?  I certainly don't associate him with the "pop" type stroke, but then again I'm not really a pro when it comes to analyzing historical strokes as I am pretty young and new to the game.  

I'd really like to hear someone clear up the general disagreement as to whether accel or decel into impact is in fact "more optimal" as well.  I understand there are hundreds of ways to skin the cat when it comes to putting and for the most part it comes back to what works best for you.  But surely there are some key components of a putting stroke that the best pros have in common?

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:25 PM

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I will give you my take but Im not sure it is the answer you're seeking.

Tour pros commonality among their strokes is the ability to deliver the face to a specific target line. However, we know the line is dependant on speed, which is where certain guys differentiate themselves. Take a guy like Ben Crenshaw, or Hideki Matsuyama. Their strokes promote some deceleration, so in my opinion when they putt, they have to play more break, less aggresive lines because the ball will 'roll and fall'.

Comparatively, Snedeker wants the ball to 'run' into the hole. So he probably cant take the putt on a strong break or he'll fly it by. He's definitely an accelerator IMO.

So in a roundabout way, and I'm not an expert (simply just my take based on what I see), what Tour players have in common over amatuers and rec golfers is the ability to hit their line, which is dependent on their specific speed/tempo/accel or decel. stroke components. In other words, their putting stroke almost predetermines how they hit their line.

Anyone agree/disagree with this take?

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:53 AM

 LightBearer, on 15 March 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

tobrien-

I will give you my take but Im not sure it is the answer you're seeking.

Tour pros commonality among their strokes is the ability to deliver the face to a specific target line. However, we know the line is dependant on speed, which is where certain guys differentiate themselves. Take a guy like Ben Crenshaw, or Hideki Matsuyama. Their strokes promote some deceleration, so in my opinion when they putt, they have to play more break, less aggresive lines because the ball will 'roll and fall'.

Comparatively, Snedeker wants the ball to 'run' into the hole. So he probably cant take the putt on a strong break or he'll fly it by. He's definitely an accelerator IMO.

So in a roundabout way, and I'm not an expert (simply just my take based on what I see), what Tour players have in common over amatuers and rec golfers is the ability to hit their line, which is dependent on their specific speed/tempo/accel or decel. stroke components. In other words, their putting stroke almost predetermines how they hit their line.

Anyone agree/disagree with this take?

LightBearer,

That definitely makes sense, and I would agree that it is probably more about matching up your style/method and proper lines to match them up with the speed.  I also totally accept the fact that they are just better at delivering the putter consistently square and spend hours more than us hackers when it comes to setup, alignment and just orienting the face properly.  

With that said, I suppose I'm wondering more about the answer to that age old question of putting, is dying it in the hole really ultimately a better way of putting?  I just read in a recent golf Mag article that Daniel Berger insisted on dying it into the hole because he claimed it "statistically makes the hole bigger' and allows to you take different approaches.  But I've always been in the other school of thought, assuming that dying it in will REALLY only lead to me missing more putts short.  

And in that same vein I recall watching the Hawaii events that Jimmy Walker had done a statistical analysis on his putting that made it clear to him he needed to stop trying to die it at the hole and instead aim for about 6-8" past the hole and "run it in" to prevent him coming up short and always give him some shot at making it as short had been costing him strokes.  

I guess I'm also asking is it just a matter of personal preference and tendencies?  Where do you WRXers stand on the "die it in" vs "run it in" debate?

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

Since this is in the equipment forum I'll say that the pop stroke works best with a soft insert and very light weight putter like the Odyssey XG that Sneds uses. I think the new Oworks is perfect for anyone who has a pop stroke. My putter set up is the complete opposite ( milled face and heavy). Personally I putt the worst when I get too long back swing and too short forward swing. My best strokes are the complete opposite.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 11:21 AM

I used this putting technique early last year with my Wlison 8802 putter. It worked very well FOR ME. Once you get the hang of the stroke it makes short putts a lot easier, lag putts are harder because you do have a tendency to murder the ball past the hole. I switched to side saddle putting, however if I ever switched back to conventional putting I would incorporate this stroke back into play.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:28 PM

Tried it today? Kinda like it will see when i have a putt that matter if it holds up.?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 11:13 AM

I used to putt like this a few years ago and putted really well, until people told me I was too jabby with my stroke. Then I was stupid enough to change it and went through a big putting slump. I can't go back now, it doesn't work anymore.

That being said, this stroke can work. Using a pop stroke was the way I putted best.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 07:51 AM

Sorry for the bump but I've been using this technique for over a year now and has helped my lag putting tremendously.  Putting a certain distance for me based on feel is a little hard for me to be consistent but because of the pop putting stroke I use sound to help me judge distance.  Simply put, the longer the putt the louder I must make the "Pop" at impact.
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Posted 13 April 2017 - 11:07 AM

tried it, couldnt get any distance control out of it

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 09:25 AM

 LightBearer, on 15 March 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

A bit of a revival from the dead for this thread, but I started to get really interested in this putting stroke at the end of last season (Sept-Nov for me here in the northeast). I think the roll on the ball sold me towards this stroke, but on 4 foot and in I go back to a pencil/claw with a conventional shoulder rock stroke.

However, I am a center shaft guy, putters with offset really hinders my aim because I putt left handed and am right eye dominant. I play with a Seemore FGP (the brass looking older model), which I really like.

Here's my question to those who use this stroke, or perhaps have in the past. Can a larger putter grip (going to try a Tour SNSR straight) do any harm to this stroke?

Thanks everybody.

I have some what the same issue. I just reshafted my double bend putter with a single. I need some toe hang so I couldnt do a CS putter but dont care much for offset past a small slant neck. If Odyssey made a #9 with a tad less offset Id be happy

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:34 PM

Well after my original post back in march 17, the stroke has served me well & i'm making putts. driver, irons sucks? but i'm making putts. I fix the rest now that my putting stroke is not the concern:)

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:03 AM

I can see how the pop might help dial in distances with practice.  But I would pop it offline too often.

But honestly, for me putting has always been 99.9% mental.  It doesn't matter what grip, stroke type, putter type or anything else I use.  Only to the extent that those variables might help me in some psychological way.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:26 AM

Hey guys...nice to see this thread revived - I originally posted it in 2015.  It was good to read all the comments again.  Sure there has been conjecture among contributors but there are some really constructive and analytical comments to consider.  Even Bruce Rearick (bargolf) made a comment and he certainly knows his craft.

My putting has been overall far better with this technique, although I still can't knock the 2015 SC fastback heavy (350g) out of the bag.  That is the one variable that is not consistent with Brandt's equipment but it seems to work for me still.
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#52 getitdaily

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:27 PM

When my puttimg gets shaky I always go back to that snedeker video and then het back to the putter head moving more than the handle. Combine that with a short, crisp follow through and I putt my best.

Trying it left hand low these days to help not get too wristy.

One of the things it does best for me is limit shoulder movement in the putting stroke. I tend to left my left shoulder open up on the thru stroke and get a left path. A more pop type stroke helps me stroke the putter down the line better.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:32 PM

Saw this had been revived.

Another thing to consider for speed control. The "old school" pop strokes hit down on the ball with some loft. It might help some of you who where the ball comes out hot on longer putts.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:38 PM

Kind of a moot point considering what else has been said, but I focused so hard on getting my stroke right on path etc and I've been putting rather poorly the last couple years. Recently focused more on "hitting the ball" which I'd equate to what people are saying here about accelerating. Been putting much better since; you still need to hit the ball I guess is my point.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:36 PM

Yes, this season I feel I grew into the stroke after starting it at the tail end of a season ago.
I suppose the biggest thing is grip pressure, but thats with most any stroke. Hitting up on the ball is an imperative part of popping the ball quickly on a line.
Surely there are weaknesses or potential difficulties, downhill putts can get fast and out of hand if you're not careful. And distance control has to be learned and seasoned.

Overall, I think the stroke makes putting a little simpler. With the nature of how the ball moves with speed, it helps people putt aggressively on mid range putts and get the ball to the hole most of the time.

Snedeker is a guy who talks about putting as an art. Meaning there isnt one specific line, but various ways a green can be manuevered. He says people try to be too perfect. Simply give the ball good speed to at least get to the hole, more likely a foot or two past. It's fun to putt this way.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:22 PM

Lots of good points in that post, Lightbearer.

I think this technique replicates what most of us have to do on long putts with shorter putts as well.

I think distance control is always the more difficult variable but your touch develops over time.  Over all I think it's a more reliable stroke.

Will see what the Scotty putting lab thinks when I get my fitting next year..?
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