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Who Uses The Brandt Snedeker Putting Technique?

Putting Brandt Snedeker Putting Technique

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#1 Gava

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:39 AM

I found this youtube video of Brandt Snedeker describing his 'pop' style putting technique;

https://www.youtube....h?v=Bwk2rsEuyZg

Apparently it was in vogue a few years ago but faded out of fashion with the pros as green speeds have increased.

Does anyone use it or recommend it?

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 03:15 AM

IMHO it is a personal subjective thing as with everything in golf. Putting is probably the most personal subjective thing in golf. To me it is whatever makes you comfortable and you can make putts doing. I have always said that there is no one set way chiseled in stone to play this game and it applies especially to putting. Do it how ever it feels good to you and you can make putts with
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Posted 08 September 2015 - 03:30 AM

Absolutely agree Stu.  For those of us that struggle on the greens at times it's always good to have a new suggestion to try.

This technique, whilst not new seems a bit radical & unconventional.  I tried it at the end of a practice session today and surprisingly felt an instant improvement.

Just gauging other's thoughts, especially if they use this technique.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 03:51 AM

great posting, love the old technique- brings me back to yesteryear.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 04:12 AM

View Postgone_golfing, on 08 September 2015 - 03:51 AM, said:

great posting, love the old technique- brings me back to yesteryear.

Tell us more.  Whilst I'm now aware of the technique I have no knowledge of it's history, which pros it was popular with etc.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 04:51 AM

Great putters using a pop stroke were some of the greatest of all time - Walter Hagan, Bobby Locke, Arnold Palmer, Billy Casper, Gary Player, and most recently, Cory Pavin, Brad Faxon, Web Simpson, and Brandt Snedeker.

I see a lot of this type stroke with Rickie Fowler also.

Generally, a heavier putter was used and a great sense of touch is required. A very light grip is recommended so as not to restrict the swinging action of the putter head.

Snedeker's method actually resembles a belly putter's mechanics somewhat - anchoring the putt of the putter and letting the head swing, actually improving accuracy for some players, so that these players concentrate on speed rather than line generally.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 05:22 AM

Great insights Texsport - thanks mate.
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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:41 AM

Nice video. An older guy I frequently play with putts like this and I've never seen him 3-putt.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:49 AM

I kinda do it on short putts, short backswing and pop it firmly in the hole.
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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:59 AM

I putt like this, it is very effective if you have a little bit of touch.  I think more guys on tour putt like this than people realize.  If you take the word "pop" out of the equation and think compact and short stroke you'll notice quite a few guys do it with success.  As texsport said Fowler putts like this with great success.  The one thing I notice with myself is that I can be streaky, if you have the pace of the greens down though I think it's the most consistent simple way to start the ball on line.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 08:46 AM

I think it mainly helps because it forces people to accentuate the "pop" - meaning accelerate thru the ball.  The one consistent feature of all great putting strokes is that they do not decelerate through the ball. This is just an extreme version of that.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 12:48 PM

Is there a difference between Snedeker's method and just having an abbreviated follow through?

...and just for accuracy's sake, I know AP used a pretty firm grip and a very light putter by today's standards. In fact none of the old school guys mentioned would have used anything heavy by today's standards.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:34 PM

I have a tendency to miss short on longer putts and have found the "pop" to help.

BTW, I'm using a fairly light flatstick by today's standards.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 05:45 PM

I don't have the nerves for Sneds style.
I tend to roll my balls into the cup rather than run then in.
The only time I deliberate "pop" and let the ball run is when facing a putt on uphill slow green

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 06:03 PM

Interesting comments about the lighter putter.  The 'old school' founders of this method from many years ago would all have had light putters I assume, and that AP/8802/Napa style.

My understanding was a heavier modern day putter more like a mini mallet might be the preferred choice.  

I think Rickie Fowler's stroke is somewhere in between and his Scotty would be 350?  I'm trying this with a 2015 Fastback heavy at 350.

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 10:44 AM

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I don't have the nerves for Sneds style.
I tend to roll my balls into the cup rather than run then in.
The only time I deliberate "pop" and let the ball run is when facing a putt on uphill slow green

Know what you mean.  I tried a round using this method today and one putted the first 3 holes and thought, Eureka!  The putts were all 5-8 feet.

Then I was brought back to earth by popping and missing some 2-3 footers.  At the end of the round I was using the pop technique for mid to longer putts and more conventional from 3 feet in.

What I found worked better was my slightly heavier mid mallet and a lighter grip allowing the putter to hinge a little in the abbreviated follow through.
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Posted 10 September 2015 - 08:20 AM

You don't necessarily have to have an abbreviated follow through where you abruptly stop the club head from releasing a little bit.  I think they key is a short compact stroke that is very repeatable. How you release the putter head is really personal and it shouldn't feel forced in any way.  I agree with the heavier head making it easier to putt this way.
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Posted 10 September 2015 - 08:36 AM

 patrick421, on 10 September 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

You don't necessarily have to have an abbreviated follow through where you abruptly stop the club head from releasing a little bit.  I think they key is a short compact stroke that is very repeatable. How you release the putter head is really personal and it shouldn't feel forced in any way.  I agree with the heavier head making it easier to putt this way.

Yes good advice Patrick.  I found myself almost recoiling at the end of the stroke a few times there so maybe trying a little too hard to shorten the stroke.

It started to feel better when I allowed a little wrist hinge at the end and stopped forcing the abbreviated follow though so much.  The experiment continues...
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Posted 10 September 2015 - 10:20 AM

I've been using this putting style for a year or so now. It was an improvement for me. I average about one 3 putt every 2 or 3 rounds since the change. I feel like the ball really stays on a true line with the "pop" stroke.

I believe the "pop" stroke takes a lot of the mental/second guessing out of putting. Pick your line and "pop" it.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 04:17 PM

 Gava, on 09 September 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

 harolease, on 08 September 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

I don't have the nerves for Sneds style.
I tend to roll my balls into the cup rather than run then in.
The only time I deliberate "pop" and let the ball run is when facing a putt on uphill slow green

Know what you mean.  I tried a round using this method today and one putted the first 3 holes and thought, Eureka!  The putts were all 5-8 feet.

Then I was brought back to earth by popping and missing some 2-3 footers.  At the end of the round I was using the pop technique for mid to longer putts and more conventional from 3 feet in.

What I found worked better was my slightly heavier mid mallet and a lighter grip allowing the putter to hinge a little in the abbreviated follow through.

Watch the video and tried a few Sneds tips.
Keeping butt end from passing the putter head was difficult for me. I felt like I had to `recoil` and decel to prevent big followthru.
The ball did stay on line, Surprising I was able to figure  out exactly how much energy was appropriate for my longer rolling putts.
Putts under 10 feet I really could not use this method, I felt like I was going hit the ball  more than 5 feet pass the hole.
However if I use my own method and allow the butt end to lead the putter head.( I like a slight foreward press of my  hands)
I was more confident inside 10 feet.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 07:36 PM

Yeah it could be a savior for some (and I'm hoping for me) but it could also confuse your putting stroke altogether.  It won't be for everyone.

I'm certain I'm seeing an improvement in practice for anything longer than about 4 foot.  Like you though, I can't seem to use it inside that radius with any confidence.

Strange how on the longer putts you 'feel' like your striking it harder and expect it to go way past the hole, yet it seems to stop pretty close.  I guess that's what Sneds means by getting the ball rolling quicker?

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 12:48 PM

View PostGava, on 08 September 2015 - 01:39 AM, said:

I found this youtube video of Brandt Snedeker describing his 'pop' style putting technique;

https://www.youtube....h?v=Bwk2rsEuyZg

Apparently it was in vogue a few years ago but faded out of fashion with the pros as green speeds have increased.

Does anyone use it or recommend it?

I have a very similar putting stroke and its very effective on Bermuda greens. The grain on Bermuda greens can make it difficult to keep the ball on line. A littl pop on short putts makes the ball hold the line better and you make an aggressive stroke. Grain eats up long fluid strokes, the putts just die off very quickly.  It still works on fast greens you just have to adjust the amount movement to match the speed. I use less pop and instead make the head lead the way back and trough more fluidly.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 06:33 PM

i am firmly against this type of stroke. a smooth stroke with gentle acceleration is much more accurate. just watch loran roberts putt. the ball holds its line better and longer with this type stroke
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Posted 12 September 2015 - 10:49 PM

View Postsuper20dan, on 11 September 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

i am firmly against this type of stroke. a smooth stroke with gentle acceleration is much more accurate. just watch loran roberts putt. the ball holds its line better and longer with this type stroke

Interesting you say that Dan, as instructor Bruce Rearick over on PT has compared my usual stroke (via emailing my SAM analysis) to Loren Roberts in terms of set up and follow through.  After a year of fiddling and practicing I seem to get only fleeting moments of consistency with it.  My longer putts are like Sam's observations above on Bermuda greens, so often my putts just die off well short.  I just can't get the speed right with such a slow motion action.  That's what it feels like to me anyway.

And now that I think about it, I've possibly always had a tendency to really pop the stroke with those very long, uphill 'off the green' putts that require more energy.  I would putt these closer than a breaking 20 footer with the usual 'slo mo' action.

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 09:59 PM

If you're still following this search The Golf Channel and YouTube for Sned's video segment explaining his putting stroke.  He's VERY specific about the way he executes it.  I don't remember every word, but I do remember him emphasizing getting the head moving first.  If you're truly trying to adapt the "pop" that 10 minute segment from the master is very informative.

Here's a link to a segment on YouTube:

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Skip to about 1:45 to get to the part where he explains the stroke.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 12:34 AM

Yes mate, same link as in the original post.

Just on that, watching again Sneds does appear to recoil a bit at the end of his stroke.  He doesn't mention it but certainly looks that way.
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:02 AM

I recently read some instructional comments about putting by Stan Utley which could also be relevant to this topic.

He said he asks students to think of the best putter they know and do they have a long, medium or short follow-through?  The overwhelming response?  Short.

I would definitely make that observation about Brandt & Rickie's strokes.
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 10:32 AM

View PostGava, on 14 September 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

Yes mate, same link as in the original post.

Just on that, watching again Sneds does appear to recoil a bit at the end of his stroke.  He doesn't mention it but certainly looks that way.

Oops, sorry.  Just noticed you had posted it too.

I bet there aren't a lot of WRX'ers that have been to Perth.  I was there in 2005 about 10 years ago.  Beautiful area of the country.  Anyways, again sorry about the double post.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 10:59 AM

I think the best putters have a short follow thru and some decel .

I think thats be shown on Sam labs, how ever for me at the present moment I feel more comfortable acceleration.

BUt on fast greens and especially downhill ones I am trying to decel with recoil.

Edited by harolease, 14 September 2015 - 11:04 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 12:31 PM

View Postjtarble, on 08 September 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

I think it mainly helps because it forces people to accentuate the "pop" - meaning accelerate thru the ball.  The one consistent feature of all great putting strokes is that they do not decelerate through the ball. This is just an extreme version of that.
One of the biggest myths in golf.  

For instance. . .

http://thesandtrap.c...hrough-the-ball

As a matter of fact, to me, the pop-stroke looks like an example of DECELLERATING.

in this video, Sned's doesn't specifically says "decel" but he talks about having a long backstroke and a short follow-through. It's pretty hard to do that when you're accelerating hard through the ball.

https://www.youtube....h?v=p5kuUcWYxwo

The guy people should watch putt is Greg Chalmers. He's not ALWAYS number 1 in stroke gained putting, but if you looked at his ranking over the last 5 or 6 years, he's probably higher ranked over that time than anyone else. He's always Top 5/Top 10 in strokes gained putting, 3 putt avoidance, etc.

Start flipping through the "Strokes Gained' years at the PGA site. You never have to scroll very far to find Chalmers, Freddie Jacobson, Snedeker.

Jacobson. . .tell me he's not decelling into the ball here.

https://www.youtube....h?v=9DViRqA6kXU

This is more about not accelerating AGGRESSIVELY through the ball. I know no one here is advocating that specifcially, but I know there are a lot of people out there who still think this way. . .

https://www.youtube....h?v=4t2DQBkqllI

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