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#1 Grizz06

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:38 AM

What's the most overrated course(s) you've played?  A course others rave about but you just don't care for.

Interlachen (Edina, MN) - I have friends that think this place is Top 10 worthy but I just don't like the feel.  The guest fees are ridiculous

Hazeltine (Chanhassen, MN) - People love this place and I just find it boring and hard if that's possible.

Rush Creek (Maple Grove, MN) - actually this place is ok but just way overpriced; my feelings would be different if the GF was $60 (which they should be).

Craft Farms (Gulf Shores, AL) - this place is in excellent shape most of the time, all my pals love it, I play great there and I still walk off thinking I wish I went someplace else.


Disclaimer: all these places are great just not for me.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:40 AM

Edgewood Tahoe by far!!  over $200 and it is a joke start to finish.  Not to mention the horrible customer service.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:29 AM

Of the courses that I have played that others would have heard of, TPC Southwind (Memphis) was the most disappointing.  After leaving the course, I couldn't remember a few of the holes and the maintenance of the course was what you would find and most good public courses in your home town.  

Disclaimer:  I believe they have remodelled the course since I played there, so things may have changed.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:41 AM

I'll get grief for this, but Quintero is way overrated IMO. Was also underwhelmed by The Boulders, which has actually not received much acclaim lately locally, but in the past has caused premature emissions by golf writers.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:59 AM

Somerset Hills was disappointing.  I liked the course, but I just didn't see it as a top-100 golf course.  I think because Tillinghast designed it and because of its age people overrated it.

Kings North in Myrtle Beach is pretty overrated as well.  I'm a fan of Palmer designs, but this is probably one of his weaker designs IMO and it's considered a 'must play' course in Myrtle.  I remember in '98 they were charging $100 greens fees in the summer on TEMPORARY GREENS.

I would say the same for Pawleys Plantation.  I liked some of the holes, but some of it gets really goofy.

Chateau Elan is not a bad course, but I found it pretty bland and wide open.  It's typical Atlanta, tell people it's great and overprice it with a wine vineyard and they'll show up in droves.  I would much rather go up the road and play Cateechee for half the price and have a much better designed course with better views.





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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:01 AM

Wolf creek in Mesquite, NV. Its a beautiful course to look at, I just did not enjoy my round at all. Very gimmicky

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:27 AM

Top 3

Trump Doral Blue Monster (renovations improved it, but so blah) after awhile the whole fairway and green with rolled edges into the water gets old.  I actually preferred the Red Tiger.  Silver Fox was still under construction when I played.
Trump LA: More good shots rewarded with poor lies/problems than any course I have ever played
Whistling Straits (Dare I say it this week) Probably one of the worst conditioned courses I have paid so much to play.  If I could get out to play it this week I might feel differently. layout and design was amazing.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:28 AM

1. Doral. I had played a number of PGA Tour courses prior to playing there and had high expectations, especially considering how great of a field it draws each year. When I was finished I was extremely disappointed. Course condition wasn't that great and the course was overall pretty manageable (even on a fairly windy day).

2. Poppy Hills. Being one of the Pebble Courses I thought this would be a great track. And while in great condition, it just wasn't anything special. I see courses like that everywhere I go in Northern Michigan.

Disclaimer: I played Doral pre-Trump renovations, so it may be a lot better now.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:33 AM

Tullymore in Northern Michigan gets my vote. My group of buddies used to play one upper tier northern MI course a year, and each one of us walked away disappointed and underwhelmed by this course. I don't hate the course, just walked out saying that wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:37 AM

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:43 AM

Trump Turnberry. Played twice, just to make sure I wasn't dreaming the first time round. 5 good holes, the rest decidedly average to poor. Unrepaired divots that were days old, all for the princely sum of $400!! Lovely.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:03 PM

I see a theme with the Trump courses here.... It may be the astronomical price that leaves them so overrated.  Kind of, I just paid $300 for that????


Curious MichiganMan if you played Poppy Hills before or after the renovation.  Much better course now after the overhaul.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:08 PM

I've always felt Cog Hill #4 was overrated.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:43 PM

 vallygolf, on 12 August 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

I see a theme with the Trump courses here.... It may be the astronomical price that leaves them so overrated.  Kind of, I just paid $300 for that????


Curious MichiganMan if you played Poppy Hills before or after the renovation.  Much better course now after the overhaul.

Just a note, that I played twice at Turnberry well before Trump took over ownership to be fair.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:58 PM

 vallygolf, on 12 August 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

Top 3

Trump Doral Blue Monster (renovations improved it, but so blah) after awhile the whole fairway and green with rolled edges into the water gets old.  I actually preferred the Red Tiger.  Silver Fox was still under construction when I played.
Trump LA: More good shots rewarded with poor lies/problems than any course I have ever played
Whistling Straits (Dare I say it this week) Probably one of the worst conditioned courses I have paid so much to play.  If I could get out to play it this week I might feel differently. layout and design was amazing.

I'm with you on Whistling Straits.  But not due to conditioning.  I thought it was in great shape when we were there last summer.  I just didn't love the design.  I thought it was completely overdesigned and a bit unnecessary and ridiculous at times.  I thought some of the overdesigning done by Dye actually ended up taking away from the course at times.  It's one of the few great golf courses (at least by ratings) that I walked away from thinking I was glad I played it once but not sure I care to play it again.

Part of this was likely due to the fact that 2 days before I played Erin Hills.  Erin Hills was in better condition than WS and I thought the layout was a lot better.  It was what I felt WS should be if Dye didn't go ballistic with his over designing.  I absolutely loved the track.  If EH had the lake views it would be a top 10 course in the country.

The second course is Harbor Town.  It just isn't that good.  I have played it a half dozen or some times and every time I walk away slightly disappointed.  The course is always in excellent shape which is why I keep going back.  It's in better condition than pretty anything else on HHI or just off the island.  There are some really good holes, don't get me wrong, but, there are also a lot of pretty bland holes that are just tight, target golf.  Most of them are pretty unmemorable.  I love target golf, it's actually my preference as opposed to the modern open modern designs, but outside of 2 or 3 holes, this place just doesn't move the needle for me.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:00 PM

Ballyneal in eastern Colorado.   Too cute for its own good.  Not saying it is a bad course, just a tad overrated.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:09 PM

 DoubleorQuits, on 12 August 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

Ballyneal in eastern Colorado.   Too cute for its own good.  Not saying it is a bad course, just a tad overrated.

Can't disagree more.  Excellent course...you are the first person I have ever state that is is overrated.  Did a group trip through Sand Hills of Nebraska, Ballyneal and Mesquite/St George and Ballyneal was considered one of the best by all.

Also, Topic is "most overrated".

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:20 PM

I wil be the guy that puts it out there:

Pebble Beach and St Andrews - Old Course.
I love playing both because of the history and the fact you get see them again on tv of the rest of your life, but remove all of that and just look at the courses:

Pebble is overrated and over priced. Some of the best holes you will play, and some very mediocre holes. Don't get me wrong it is a great course, but not in my view does it deserve to be considered the best (or near the best)

I think the New Course and Jubilee Course are better courses than the Old Course. Saying that playing there and in the region was my best golf experience of my life, but you can argue the course itself does not deserve the rating.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:21 PM

most overrated that I have played is DragonRidge in Las Vegas. Apparently it is a private course that allows the public on with select tee times. Slow play. Stupid holes. I think we paid close to $250 to play it.... that is why it is overrated to me. I would go back but not for more than $100. Oh, and the $9 hotdogs were horrendous.
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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:21 PM

 vallygolf, on 12 August 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

I see a theme with the Trump courses here.... It may be the astronomical price that leaves them so overrated.  Kind of, I just paid $300 for that????


Curious MichiganMan if you played Poppy Hills before or after the renovation.  Much better course now after the overhaul.

I was unaware they renovated Poppy Hills. I played there back in 2006, so my guess is before. Like I said, it wasn't like Poppy Hills was a bad course by any means. It's just a dime a dozen course in Northern Michigan. Nothing unique about it.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:30 PM

View PostRichieHunt, on 12 August 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Somerset Hills was disappointing.  I liked the course, but I just didn't see it as a top-100 golf course.  I think because Tillinghast designed it and because of its age people overrated it.

Kings North in Myrtle Beach is pretty overrated as well.  I'm a fan of Palmer designs, but this is probably one of his weaker designs IMO and it's considered a 'must play' course in Myrtle.  I remember in '98 they were charging $100 greens fees in the summer on TEMPORARY GREENS.

I would say the same for Pawleys Plantation.  I liked some of the holes, but some of it gets really goofy.

Chateau Elan is not a bad course, but I found it pretty bland and wide open.  It's typical Atlanta, tell people it's great and overprice it with a wine vineyard and they'll show up in droves.  I would much rather go up the road and play Cateechee for half the price and have a much better designed course with better views.





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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:30 PM

View PostVNutz, on 12 August 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Tullymore in Northern Michigan gets my vote. My group of buddies used to play one upper tier northern MI course a year, and each one of us walked away disappointed and underwhelmed by this course. I don't hate the course, just walked out saying that wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be.

I kind of agree here. Except for me, Tullymore is a vastly superior course to it's sister course St. Ives. St. Ives has some of the worst golf holes I've ever played. The first hole is right near the top of that list. Absolutely atrocious hole, especially for a starting hole.
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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:31 PM

The Old White at The Greenbrier.  Maybe I caught it at a bad time but it wasn't in good shape and was extremely overpriced for the condition of the entire facility.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:46 PM

View Postputtnforthe8, on 12 August 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

View PostDoubleorQuits, on 12 August 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

Ballyneal in eastern Colorado.   Too cute for its own good.  Not saying it is a bad course, just a tad overrated.

Can't disagree more.  Excellent course...you are the first person I have ever state that is is overrated.  Did a group trip through Sand Hills of Nebraska, Ballyneal and Mesquite/St George and Ballyneal was considered one of the best by all.

Also, Topic is "most overrated".

It is the most overrated course I have played, which is what the OP asked us. I threw in the "tad overrated" to hopefully avoid the onslaught of ire from the hairy bunker crowd.  One forgettable hole through the dunes after another.  Bad fescue turf and the club tries too hard with no tee markers and no course rating.  Greens are slower than many fairways I have played.  Hardly the worst course in the world, but certainly not on par with Sand Hills.  Of course my favorite Doak layout is Sebonack so what do I know?

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:51 PM

Doral blue monster for sure.

Pawleys plantation sucks. The bridge holes are just terrible.

I expected a lot more from caledonia and true blue at myrtle beach.




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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:51 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 12 August 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:


I'm with you on Whistling Straits.  But not due to conditioning.  I thought it was in great shape when we were there last summer.  I just didn't love the design. I thought it was completely overdesigned and a bit unnecessary and ridiculous at times.  I thought some of the overdesigning done by Dye actually ended up taking away from the course at times.  It's one of the few great golf courses (at least by ratings) that I walked away from thinking I was glad I played it once but not sure I care to play it again.



Funny you say that, yesterday I was talking about WS and Pete Dye in general and the term that came to mind when describing his courses was "ridiculous".   Almost seems like he is making holes that are over the top and ridiculous as opposed to thinking about making good golf holes.  Just look at 18 at WS.  Looking back at the fairway from the green it looks like the worms from the movie Tremors must live under the fairway.   I feel like Dye was more concerned with making holes difficult and gimicky and that will look crazy on tv vs making holes that are challenging, but rewarding and flow together with the rest of the course.

I played WS once and I didn't walk off the course thinking about how much I wanted to get another shot at it.  I was just happy I survived.   Other great courses, I find myself  wanting to go back and replay it with knowledge I learned the first time around.  With WS it seemed like the whole focus of the round was trying to avoid the sure triple bogeys that existed on either side of the fairways.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 12 August 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

I'll get grief for this, but Quintero is way overrated IMO.

No grief from me.  I agree with you.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 02:15 PM

Easy: SPYGLASS HILLS.  Two interesting holes in the dunes and then it's basically Poppy Hills II through the woods.  Will never go back.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 02:29 PM

View Postzer0, on 12 August 2015 - 01:51 PM, said:

View PostSilverBullets, on 12 August 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:


I'm with you on Whistling Straits.  But not due to conditioning.  I thought it was in great shape when we were there last summer.  I just didn't love the design. I thought it was completely overdesigned and a bit unnecessary and ridiculous at times.  I thought some of the overdesigning done by Dye actually ended up taking away from the course at times.  It's one of the few great golf courses (at least by ratings) that I walked away from thinking I was glad I played it once but not sure I care to play it again.



Funny you say that, yesterday I was talking about WS and Pete Dye in general and the term that came to mind when describing his courses was "ridiculous".   Almost seems like he is making holes that are over the top and ridiculous as opposed to thinking about making good golf holes.  Just look at 18 at WS.  Looking back at the fairway from the green it looks like the worms from the movie Tremors must live under the fairway.   I feel like Dye was more concerned with making holes difficult and gimicky and that will look crazy on tv vs making holes that are challenging, but rewarding and flow together with the rest of the course.

I played WS once and I didn't walk off the course thinking about how much I wanted to get another shot at it.  I was just happy I survived.   Other great courses, I find myself  wanting to go back and replay it with knowledge I learned the first time around.  With WS it seemed like the whole focus of the round was trying to avoid the sure triple bogeys that existed on either side of the fairways.

This echoes my feelings exactly.  

I will say, I played The Ocean Course about a month after WS and thought it was a brillant track.  Nothing crazy, nothing absurd, just a handful of flat out great golf holes.  It's one of the only Dye courses I have walked away thinking not only do I want to play it again but I could play it everyday.

One more overrated course.  The Scarlet course at Ohio State.  It's fairly highly ranked in the state of Ohio.  I can't for the life of my understand the allure to the course.  All the course is, is a old design that was remodeled (because it wasn't very good in the first place).  All the redesign did was lengthen the course to make it actually difficult and build some of the most rediculously large green complexes I have ever seen.  The course is just super long, with huge greens that run really quick and a mix of large bunkers.  Nothing more to it.  Almost every hole looks the same and each of those are simply mediocre.  I'm left shaking my head everytime I hear someone rave about it.  I don't enjoy courses that are just long and straight with little else to them.

Edited by SilverBullets, 12 August 2015 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 02:36 PM

The Ocean Course at Kiawah is better than Pebble Beach and has more seaward holes. It's also more difficult.

There. I said it.

I know many people who agree and few who disagree personally.

If you haven't played both, your vote doesn't count.

Edited by double_d, 12 August 2015 - 02:37 PM.


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