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Can you win your club championship?


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#1 deadsolid...shank

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 08:25 AM

A spin off thread from Larrybud's thread about finally winning his CC.

For those of you who play, are you going in with a realistic shot at winning?

Ours is this weekend. It would take a "perfect storm" of events for me to win. The club's best player left last year, and player 1A only plays every so often. Then there are another five to ten others who would be in the mix, with me maybe being at the very tail end of that grouping. I would have to get pretty hot to pull it off. For reference, I'm a five which is the break point for championship flight.

How about all of you out there, expectations?

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 08:40 AM

If one doesn't think they can win, then they are probably right. :)
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 08:54 AM

I expect to win... why bother even entering if you don't think you can win?
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:34 AM

View PostSMAKCruiser, on 21 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

I expect to win... why bother even entering if you don't think you can win?

There are a lot more people who enter who have no chance to win than those that do have a chance. At least those that have flights.

I'm just asking how many really do expect to compete for the overall title.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:44 AM

I wouldn't play if I didn't think I could win.  I'm no way the best golfer at my club, but in match play, anything can happen...

We do qualifying the first weekend Sat+Sun stroke play to determine flights and seeding.  Second weekend is match play.

This year I played embarrassingly bad during qualifying 2 weekends back and didn't make Championship flight.  I won both matches this past weekend to win the First flight.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:45 AM

I just won the foursome club championship with my brother a couple of weeks ago. Singles is a different animal though
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:46 AM

Net = virtually no chance unless I shoot 10 shots better than I ever have (both days).   Way too many sandbaggers, the net winner will come in at 62-65 guaranteed (they just had a special weekend :)).  

Gross = If about 10 guys get a bad case of the shanks then there's about a 2.1% chance of me throwing together two rounds that would get me there.

On a side note, I did lead our chip (gross and net) after day 1 a few years ago.   I followed up my (day 1) 72 with an adventure filled 95, and...  that didn't get it done.

I play because everyone plays, it's fun and I will play for skins, I was kidding about 2.1%, I have no chance..  Our winner will be one of three people (2 young, 1 old; the 2 whippersnappers could go way low and the older fella will be around   -2 in case they suck it up) and that I have 100% confidence in.  Somebody will buy me for a few bucks, however. :scare2:

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:53 AM

Realistically, I can't win my club championship.  There are 4 holes from the back tees where I am at a trmendous disadvantage because of my lack of length off the tee.  An uphill par 4 where I have to kill a drive just to hit 3-hybrid in while longer hitters play fairway wood, 7-iron.  aznd a par 5 where I have a 10-yard slot to hit into because I cant carry my driver 260 over a hazard.  Usually takes around even to win.  Over two days thats a little too much to expect for me.

I did win my Senior CLub Championship there last year shooting 73-71 but from tee boxes that shave about 300 yards off the course ( 200 of which are on those 4 holes).

And I won a club championship several years ago at a different club with overall yardages similar to what my current course plays from the tips.  The difference is that the former course didnt have any long forced carries off the tee or as much elevation change.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:56 AM

What Grizz said! My club championship is a 2 day stroke play event with no flights. 2 winners, net and gross. Last year 124 took net and 144 took gross. Net shot a 65-59. Good luck beating that. I will still go into the match with full intentions of winning.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 10:00 AM

Lost in the finals last year to a guy who just flat out played better golf. In the semi-finals this Saturday and on the finals after that if I can mange to move on. So it's possible.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 10:07 AM

View PostGrizz06, on 21 July 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Net = virtually no chance unless I shoot 10 shots better than I ever have (both days).   Way too many sandbaggers, the net winner will come in at 62-65 guaranteed (they just had a special weekend :)).  

Gross = If about 10 guys get a bad case of the shanks then there's about a 2.1% chance of me throwing together two rounds that would get me there.

On a side note, I did lead our chip (gross and net) after day 1 a few years ago.   I followed up my (day 1) 72 with an adventure filled 95, and...  that didn't get it done.

I play because everyone plays, it's fun and I will play for skins, I was kidding about 2.1%, I have no chance..  Our winner will be one of three people (2 young, 1 old; the 2 whippersnappers could go way low and the older fella will be around   -2 in case they suck it up) and that I have 100% confidence in.  Somebody will buy me for a few bucks, however. :scare2:

That's kind of our situation. A lot of people play and there is no entry fee. They try to find a way for as many people as possible to win something.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 10:36 AM

I'm in limbo. To old to compete for mens club championship and too young to compete for mens senior. One more year and LOOK OUT... :superman:  I'm on it like flies on a fresh pile of horse shyt.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:20 AM

Yes I have a very good chance at winning my club championship. In fact I'm the one everyone expects to win. I should have won last year but had a ball move on the green when I addressed it and it cost me a double when I should have made par. I ended up losing by 2 shots and placed 3rd. This year our County AM is at my course so I kind of feel like I have 2 club championships to shoot for and I expect to win both. If I play my best game there's not reason I can't win.

More importantly though is why are you worried about this? If you don't honestly feel in your mind you can win something then you won't. We all know how powerful the mind is in this game, and if you've already convinced yourself that unless everyone of the top players at your club loses their swing that you can't win, then you've already determined your own fate. You have to go into a competition with the mind set of a champion. You can't think about winning a multi day competition before it's even begun. If you play 2 or 3 days and get yourself within 5-6 shots of the lead then you can think about it going into the final round. There can only be one champion everyone else loses. Golf is a tough game in that regard. If you can't handle that don't compete, just play for fun. If you worried less about the outcome and focused more on the process of hitting shots and playing the game that's presented to you that day, you'd probably surprise yourself.

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 21 July 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

A spin off thread from Larrybud's thread about finally winning his CC.

For those of you who play, are you going in with a realistic shot at winning?

Ours is this weekend. It would take a "perfect storm" of events for me to win. The club's best player left last year, and player 1A only plays every so often. Then there are another five to ten others who would be in the mix, with me maybe being at the very tail end of that grouping. I would have to get pretty hot to pull it off. For reference, I'm a five which is the break point for championship flight.

How about all of you out there, expectations?


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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:36 AM

View PostlutomrSC, on 21 July 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

Yes I have a very good chance at winning my club championship. In fact I'm the one everyone expects to win. I should have won last year but had a ball move on the green when I addressed it and it cost me a double when I should have made par. I ended up losing by 2 shots and placed 3rd. This year our County AM is at my course so I kind of feel like I have 2 club championships to shoot for and I expect to win both. If I play my best game there's not reason I can't win.

More importantly though is why are you worried about this? If you don't honestly feel in your mind you can win something then you won't. We all know how powerful the mind is in this game, and if you've already convinced yourself that unless everyone of the top players at your club loses their swing that you can't win, then you've already determined your own fate. You have to go into a competition with the mind set of a champion. You can't think about winning a multi day competition before it's even begun. If you play 2 or 3 days and get yourself within 5-6 shots of the lead then you can think about it going into the final round. There can only be one champion everyone else loses. Golf is a tough game in that regard. If you can't handle that don't compete, just play for fun. If you worried less about the outcome and focused more on the process of hitting shots and playing the game that's presented to you that day, you'd probably surprise yourself.

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 21 July 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

A spin off thread from Larrybud's thread about finally winning his CC.

For those of you who play, are you going in with a realistic shot at winning?

Ours is this weekend. It would take a "perfect storm" of events for me to win. The club's best player left last year, and player 1A only plays every so often. Then there are another five to ten others who would be in the mix, with me maybe being at the very tail end of that grouping. I would have to get pretty hot to pull it off. For reference, I'm a five which is the break point for championship flight.

How about all of you out there, expectations?

I'm not worried about anything. I am however realistic about how my game compares to the others I'll be competing against.

I said in a later post, there are far more people who enter their respective CC's who have no chance to win the overall title than those that do have a chance to win, especially in the CC's (like ours) that are flighted stroke play. It's a fun event.

I didn't start this thread to get advice on my situation, I'm quite comfortable with how it is.  I am simply asking, of those who play in their CC's, how many realistically expect to compete for the title as opposed to others who are playing more because it is a fun event at their club. And you can still go with the idea to compete but doing so knowing winning it all is not going to happen. I realize that there a lot of really good players here who would find the idea of starting a tournament without the mindset of winning it all appalling, but that is the reality for the majority who tee it up in these.

But good luck with both of your tournaments, I hope you win both. As for me, even if I don't expect to win, I'll still be trying my tail off.

Edited by deadsolid...shank, 21 July 2015 - 11:46 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:42 AM

I am usually in the top five, had a few runner ups
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:57 AM

I have virtually 0% chance of winning these days.  I am right at the cutoff where I am in the Championship flight.  We play 36 holes of stroke to determine 8 spots for matchplay.  I've made matchplay about half the time I've played, never advanced out of the first round.  There are 2 guys who will be beat me a conservative 19 - 20 times, no matter how well I play.  I suppose it's possible that someone else beats them first, then I play lights out.  I really don't even care about the event these days and skipped it this year.  It's a bit much to ask for me to play both weekend days for multiple weekends in the middle of summer.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:06 PM

I'd be the prohibitive favorite, but there's so much political crap surrounding it that I don't sign up.  Women get really pissy about stuff, but most of you probably already knew that.  

Played year before last and refused to attest to somebody's score after some very obvious lie fluffing, and the s-storm didn't die down for months.  I hadn't played in years, (since I gave a woman 14 strokes and she shot a gross 77), and it was a reminder of why I don't.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:16 PM

Net, no chance. Always some mid handicapper who glows hot and posts sub 80 rounds.

Gross, the last time I won was 8 years ago. I think I have as much chance as about 10 others, we have an unusually (for England) strong membership at my club, there is a group of 20 or so around scratch/better players. There is only 1 standout player, but the depth of our "field" makes a win tough.

Wish you the best of luck in yours!

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:28 PM

Our club does a two day stroke play event.  It is flighted but they consider the Club Champ as the victor of the Championship Flight.  As a 5 index, I fall right on the line between championship flight and A Flight.  Realistically, I have little shot to win the championship flight.  I have, in practice rounds and pot game rounds, shot back to back rounds that would put me right there with the scores that consistently win the club championship.  But, it would essentially take me playing my best back to back days.  Possible, but unlikely.

Last year, as the highest handicapper in the championship flight, I finished something like 12th out of 25.  I wasn't thrilled with my finish as I left a ton of strokes out there.  But I was happy overall with staying in it.  I started out Triple, double, par, double on day 1.  Being able to keep my head in it and post a first day 82 felt good in my mind (after those first 4 holes).  The reason I play in it, knowing I have a unrealistic chance at winning the club championship is to continue getting experience under tournament conditions.  It's a totally different game and I have struggled in the past maintaining a high level of play (at my abilities) under the pressures of a tournament.  So getting another opportunity to learn from tournament golf and play with the best members my club has to offer, is always something I want to partake in.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:47 PM

At my club, we have the club championship based on the 16 best qualifiers (to qualify, you have to play qualifying rounds in the weeks leading up to the club championship which is held on labor day weekend). The 16 best posted scores are eligible to play for the club championship (4 day event, friday - monday, match play with brackets determined by qualifying score). The remaining golfers who want to play are divided into flights based on their handicap (same format for the tournament). I think that I have a legitimate shot at winning the flight I'd likely play in, unfortunately, there is no way I'd qualify for the championship flight.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:55 PM

I do not play anymore (64 years old)

It generally takes 2 or 3 under to win at my club and I don't have that in me anymore.

On my best day I may shoot close to par but that is it - usual is 81-82
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:49 PM

25 years, no spot in the Championship flight, including this year.  Three day event, 54 holes of stroke play, no handicaps.  I play because it is fun to compete and on the last day the field is flighted so all us "losers" can attempt to win something.  If only the dozen or so players who had a measurable chance to win signed up, the event would be insignificant.  With 125-150 competitors it is a reasonably big deal for our small city.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:49 PM

Nope, I'm not a member of a club though lol.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 03:42 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 21 July 2015 - 12:28 PM, said:

Our club does a two day stroke play event.  It is flighted but they consider the Club Champ as the victor of the Championship Flight.  As a 5 index, I fall right on the line between championship flight and A Flight.  Realistically, I have little shot to win the championship flight.  I have, in practice rounds and pot game rounds, shot back to back rounds that would put me right there with the scores that consistently win the club championship.  But, it would essentially take me playing my best back to back days.  Possible, but unlikely.

Last year, as the highest handicapper in the championship flight, I finished something like 12th out of 25.  I wasn't thrilled with my finish as I left a ton of strokes out there.  But I was happy overall with staying in it.  I started out Triple, double, par, double on day 1.  Being able to keep my head in it and post a first day 82 felt good in my mind (after those first 4 holes).  The reason I play in it, knowing I have a unrealistic chance at winning the club championship is to continue getting experience under tournament conditions.  It's a totally different game and I have struggled in the past maintaining a high level of play (at my abilities) under the pressures of a tournament.  So getting another opportunity to learn from tournament golf and play with the best members my club has to offer, is always something I want to partake in.

This is almost identical to my situation.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 03:46 PM

Won it once before, means I cant play my game though. Have to play conservative and hit irons off certain tees rather than attempting to bomb and gouge as usual.

Changed course to links now from woodland so I might have a better chance

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 03:57 PM

I have played in my club championship twice, and finished second twice. I hope to do better this year. Same as others have said, there are about 10 guys with handicaps between 1 and 5 that probably have a pretty good chance to win. I always just try to break 80 twice and see what happens. My first year playing I finished with 3 doubles in a row to miss out on a playoff by 1 shot. My second time, I shot 76 and 75, and lost to a guy that shot 2 or 3 under for two rounds. That is just simply better than I can do. Well, that guy is gone now and we are left with the same 10 guys that all shoot in the low to mid 70's and I feel I have a shot again. You never know.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:23 PM

one guy at my club has won it about 9 out of 12 years.

I have to play my best to beat him.

I would say I'm a 10:1 shot he's even money and a couple other guys are 20:1 or higher

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:33 PM

I have a good shot at my city championship which there is only one course.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:58 PM

I'm basically out of it for total points, but can win the final stroke play event

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 05:16 PM

I'd been in the top five a few times, but never thought I'd win it, as I consider several of the other guys better and more complete players than myself.  But then one year, I kept the mistakes to a minimum and managed to win it.  So don't count yourself out.

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