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The Heckling of Sergio Garcia


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#1 shortgame85

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:32 PM

The heckling of Sergio Garcia at the Players on Sunday was apparent to any who watched the tournament Sunday afternoon. The fact that Johnny Miller seemed to be pulling for Fowler was apparent (note: so was I but, then, I wasn't commenting about the play on national television). I am just curious if the behavior of spectators and sometimes commentators seems to any of you as crass as it does to me.  The inanity of the screams of "Mashed potato," and the like seem like nothing if not the reflection of a coarsening of the general population, a growing toleration of a more banal, crass form of behavior. I am really not some fuddy duddy, although I confess I am well above 50.  It is just that golf seemed to be for so long a sport, if not the most tolerant or inclusive for many years, then at least resistant to a certain coarseness from the gallery during tournaments. Whatever decorum may have been observed in the past seems to have given way to the toleration of drunken boors screaming mindless inanities and having no conception of sportsmanlike conduct. Sergio Garcia may not be my favorite golfer, or even one I occasionally root for, but I certainly would not heckel him.  I can't stand certain boorish PGA golfers, but I would never advocate interfering with their game by screaming insulting remarks at them. I apologize for sounding as if I am on a soapbox.  It is just that I believe there should be some places in sport and life where honor and sportsmanship are observed. The game of golf, at its best, honors those ideals.  I'm just wondering if anyone was as bothered by what they saw as I was. ,

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:39 PM

Heckling a player is simply wrong.  If they mess up do you get to claim credit?

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:42 PM

You could write articles for a living!  Very well written and I agree with your point.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:43 PM

Tasers for the marshalls.

Edited by skiballs, 11 May 2015 - 08:43 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:46 PM

Shortgame85, well said and I couldn't agree more with  EVERYTHING  you said.

They need to start throwing out obnoxious fans. Fans need to be encouraged to point out the Jack asses in the crowd so security can remove them.



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:48 PM

Completely agree.  As a whole the behavior has gotten worse and I blame us as a society for not policing our peers at these events.  If a guy yells mashed potatoes and then smugly looks around, someone should walk up to him and tell him in no uncertain words he is a douchebag.  Loudly.  

Certain venues are worse than others.  I was at Bethpage for the US Open and there were way too many people who were there to show they had scored a ticket to the big event and to be seen there than to watch our national championship.  The behavior I witnessed that day has only become amplified.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:52 PM

The behavior disgusts me and is getting worse. I think we could solve a lot of it by eliminating beer sales at tournaments............I enjoy beer as much as the next guy, but we seem to have a generation of fans that attend tournaments simply to get drunk and scream.

.........of course it'll never happen because it's profitable!

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:55 PM

Great post OP.

Sergio certainly didn't deserve a lot of the crowd noise thrown his way.  Unfortunately, I believe stadium golf and the Ryder Cup have encouraged the crass to show their a**.  This was a great tournament and didn't need the crowd interference.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:57 PM

I agree and very well written.  I am no Sergio fan, but it would be nice to see people show some class and respect.  However, I feel we are moving further and further from this idea.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:02 PM

It certainly made for painful viewing.

The problem is the officials ignore one and the next idiot thinks its ok, by the 10th guy most of the crowd has joined in.

At the Open or the Masters you will always see the crowd pulling for favourites but they are very very rarely heckled and boo'd.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:04 PM

I felt sorry for him and was embarrassed for our country.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:12 PM

Completely agree.  I'm well north of 50 also, but there is no place in golf for this behavior.  I agree with the earlier poster, this is an alcohol fueled activity, but the venues make a lot of money from alcohol sales.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:14 PM

I was mad. At least there were plenty of fans giving Sergio encouragement and some big cheers when he made that putt.

Are we getting to the tipping point when golf becomes like team sports and you cheer "your team" and jeer the "opposition"?

Whats next?

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:16 PM

Agree with OP 100%.  The PGA could do something about it (eject people).  It embarrasses me as an American that people visit my country and are treated rudely.  The sponsors, CBS and the PGA are to blame with this decline in societal behavior. I, for one,refuse to attend any sports event and be mistaken for one of its boorish fans.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:18 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 11 May 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:

Are we getting to the tipping point when golf becomes like team sports and you cheer "your team" and jeer the "opposition"?

It's been like that for a while. Jack had it bad when he played with Arnie.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:25 PM

View Postskiballs, on 11 May 2015 - 08:43 PM, said:

Tasers for the marshalls.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:26 PM

View PostPZero, on 11 May 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 11 May 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:

Are we getting to the tipping point when golf becomes like team sports and you cheer "your team" and jeer the "opposition"?

It's been like that for a while. Jack had it bad when he played with Arnie.

Yes, have heard that. Tough man, Jack.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:27 PM

View PostPZero, on 11 May 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 11 May 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:

Are we getting to the tipping point when golf becomes like team sports and you cheer "your team" and jeer the "opposition"?
It's been like that for a while. Jack had it bad when he played with Arnie.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:28 PM

Well said and well written!  It's getting to point that the TV volume is getting lower only because of the morons shouting. I don't nor will I ever understand the need to scream something that makes no sense just so my friends and family can hear me in TV.  

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:31 PM

Can't stand Sergio but no golfer deserves to be heckled by some moron.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:34 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.

He flipped off the galleries because they were heckling him for his re gripping 'problem'.......even back then.

But yeah he's done some crappy things and said some crappy things but ever heard of the 'high road'?

I think his biggest problem is that Tiger has let it be known that he has a low opinion of Sergio, so automatically the sheeple follow suit.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:42 PM

View Postcorky, on 11 May 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.

He flipped off the galleries because they were heckling him for his re gripping 'problem'.......even back then.

But yeah he's done some crappy things and said some crappy things but ever heard of the 'high road'?

I think his biggest problem is that Tiger has let it be known that he has a low opinion of Sergio, so automatically the sheeple follow suit.

By "sheeple" do you mean "people who took issue with his overtly racist comments?" I don't know that you are going to get much support for the Tiger Woods opinion thing if you try to ignore context. I generally don't support what happened in that event either. It is poor behavior by any standard, but there is also such a thing as inviting ill will, and Garcia has always been at odds with U.S. galleries. There are well known and popular international players, like Els, Norman, Scott...but a number of Euro pros instead choose to paint themselves as heels to the American galleries, and I don't have any sympathy for them. Well, a little...but not much. If it were a player who did not typically display the quality of giving as good as he gets, my opinion might be different. Not here.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:45 PM

Sergio has shown time after time that this stuff bothers him, therefore, it will never stop.  I also agree that he kind of made his own bed, but it would be nice to see fans behave better.  It could take a while but I think if he can ignore it and stop drawing attention to it, it could get better for him.  It's actually cool to see him enjoy himself out there as of late and not get pissed off over everything.
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:48 PM

agree OP. I didn't watch the tournament until he was on 16 green. he's not my favorite but that was embarrassing. uncalled for and they need to do something about it and stop letting it happen.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:49 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:42 PM, said:

View Postcorky, on 11 May 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.

He flipped off the galleries because they were heckling him for his re gripping 'problem'.......even back then.

But yeah he's done some crappy things and said some crappy things but ever heard of the 'high road'?

I think his biggest problem is that Tiger has let it be known that he has a low opinion of Sergio, so automatically the sheeple follow suit.

By "sheeple" do you mean "people who took issue with his overtly racist comments?" I don't know that you are going to get much support for the Tiger Woods opinion thing if you try to ignore context. I generally don't support what happened in that event either. It is poor behavior by any standard, but there is also such a thing as inviting ill will, and Garcia has always been at odds with U.S. galleries. There are well known and popular international players, like Els, Norman, Scott...but a number of Euro pros instead choose to paint themselves as heels to the American galleries, and I don't have any sympathy for them. Well, a little...but not much. If it were a player who did not typically display the quality of giving as good as he gets, my opinion might be different. Not here.

So, are you advocating the heckling of players that one dislikes?
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:50 PM

View Postcorky, on 11 May 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.

He flipped off the galleries because they were heckling him for his re gripping 'problem'.......even back then.

But yeah he's done some crappy things and said some crappy things but ever heard of the 'high road'?

I think his biggest problem is that Tiger has let it be known that he has a low opinion of Sergio, so automatically the sheeple follow suit.

Corky.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:53 PM

Wasn't really a fan of the 'USA, USA' chants in the play-off, when Rickie comes over to Ireland, I doubt he expects 'EUROPE, EUROPE' shouted in his face when he tries to hit the shot and it won't happen either. Because this isn't the Ryder Cup and no-one really cares where you're from.

There's a nice happy medium there between the loudness of PGA Tour galleries and the respect of European Tour galleries. The raucous atmosphere on Sunday added a buzz to the event. I do admire the ability of American tour stops to generate noise but not all noise is good noise. Heckling simply shouldn't happen.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:55 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:42 PM, said:

View Postcorky, on 11 May 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 11 May 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Spitting in the cup, being an arrogant a** at the Ryder Cup exhibitions, and flipping off galleries kind of creates its own kind of karma. Anyway, he got paid well for what he put up with. Nice to see a player earn that amount of money doing something other than rolling a ball in a hole.

He flipped off the galleries because they were heckling him for his re gripping 'problem'.......even back then.

But yeah he's done some crappy things and said some crappy things but ever heard of the 'high road'?

I think his biggest problem is that Tiger has let it be known that he has a low opinion of Sergio, so automatically the sheeple follow suit.

By "sheeple" do you mean "people who took issue with his overtly racist comments?" I don't know that you are going to get much support for the Tiger Woods opinion thing if you try to ignore context. I generally don't support what happened in that event either. It is poor behavior by any standard, but there is also such a thing as inviting ill will, and Garcia has always been at odds with U.S. galleries. There are well known and popular international players, like Els, Norman, Scott...but a number of Euro pros instead choose to paint themselves as heels to the American galleries, and I don't have any sympathy for them. Well, a little...but not much. If it were a player who did not typically display the quality of giving as good as he gets, my opinion might be different. Not here.

Not talking about his Rascist comments and yeah I was appalled by them too....

Don't agree with 'a number of Euros' ....... That's's out of context too.

Sergio has deserved some of the crap that's come his way, but he dealt with it properly at the weekend..


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:58 PM

View Postshortgame85, on 11 May 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

The heckling of Sergio Garcia at the Players on Sunday was apparent to any who watched the tournament Sunday afternoon. The fact that Johnny Miller seemed to be pulling for Fowler was apparent (note: so was I but, then, I wasn't commenting about the play on national television). I am just curious if the behavior of spectators and sometimes commentators seems to any of you as crass as it does to me.  The inanity of the screams of "Mashed potato," and the like seem like nothing if not the reflection of a coarsening of the general population, a growing toleration of a more banal, crass form of behavior. I am really not some fuddy duddy, although I confess I am well above 50.  It is just that golf seemed to be for so long a sport, if not the most tolerant or inclusive for many years, then at least resistant to a certain coarseness from the gallery during tournaments. Whatever decorum may have been observed in the past seems to have given way to the toleration of drunken boors screaming mindless inanities and having no conception of sportsmanlike conduct. Sergio Garcia may not be my favorite golfer, or even one I occasionally root for, but I certainly would not heckel him.  I can't stand certain boorish PGA golfers, but I would never advocate interfering with their game by screaming insulting remarks at them. I apologize for sounding as if I am on a soapbox.  It is just that I believe there should be some places in sport and life where honor and sportsmanship are observed. The game of golf, at its best, honors those ideals.  I'm just wondering if anyone was as bothered by what they saw as I was. ,

You are 100% correct. And so is the poster who blamed it on beer. Beer is responsible for atrocious fan behavior in every sport, from baseball to hockey to golf. If you can't go a few hours without one....stay the f$$k home and leave the rest of us and the athletes alone.

And, OP, I love the avatar. What a great movie!


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