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Epon AF Tour CB Vs. Miura CB57

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#61 needmoregolf

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 10:44 AM

View Postflopshot99, on 10 May 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I can get Miura for 200 club built or under. Epons are closer to 300 plus

I was specific to say retail, it's just that miura is a bit more entrenched in local markets here in the states, so a little easier to get a discount. Epon is strict with their discounting and seems to be less epon dealers but I'm willing to bet discounting can be done with full builds, one way or another either through the shafts, grips or labor costs to get fully built sets closer to your miura cost.

Also, is $200/head built for any miura set? there are so many, seems hard to compare to make a direct price comparison with epon who has a more streamlined model lineup.

Edited by needmoregolf, 10 May 2015 - 10:57 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2015 - 11:03 AM

Their technology, quality, and craftsmanship warrant their asking price...however, I've always been ok with paying a little more for exclusivity and when we're talking about JDM let's face it, that's definitely part of the equation. And since it is part of the equation, Epon gets the nod in that department too.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 09:12 PM

I think at times we're all guilty of allowing ourselves to get to carried away with technology , designs , craftsmanship & price .
If you're prepared to pay the prices that these command then just hit them and let that be the determining factor .
Performance is the most important factor , and Miura certainly gets the nod for that !
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Posted 10 May 2015 - 10:06 PM

It's hard to give a nod to a subjective trait or a trait that depends more upon the player than the club so I  can't really agree with that opinion...

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 10:42 AM

Pulled the RIP Shafts out of the Miuras and have new Project X 95 Flighted Shafts being installed as I type this.

The EPONS are great but the offset on them is starting to get on my nerves.

The Set-Up on the Miuras are just too nice not to give them another shot at the starting line-up

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 04:16 PM

Wow , all that technology , quality and craftsmanship and they forgot about the offset !
And in a tour model no less !
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

I guess thats always been the gripe on Epon and their iron designs. Too bulky and too much offset, especially in their short irons.
I wish Epon would redesign the short iron heads. Make them slightly smaller and reduce the offset along the lines of Srixon 745 - Miura CB57
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 05:39 PM

Yeah? They just plain forgot...that must be it. Lmao!!!

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 07:43 PM

Where in my post does it say that Epon forgot?

Epon's market caters to the Japanese affluent market and not made for the masses, exclusivity, and I understand that. Every Epon product Ive purchased and used have been nothing short of perfect for fit, finish, and tolerances. (503, 302, Persoanls, AF Tour Blade, Af Tour CB)
Epon believes their designs are more user friendly to their targeted market so thats why they design them the way they do.
The size and offset might be a none issue with some but others will care for a slightly smaller head with less offset.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:01 PM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 11 May 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

Where in my post does it say that Epon forgot? Nice of you to make an assumption and put words in my mouth Mickey.

Epon's market caters to the Japanese affluent market and not made for the masses, exclusivity, and I understand that. Every Epon product Ive purchased and used have been nothing short of perfect for fit, finish, and tolerances. (503, 302, Persoanls, AF Tour Blade, Af Tour CB)
Epon believes their designs are more user friendly to their targeted market so thats why they design them the way they do.
The size and offset might be a none issue with some but others will care for a slightly smaller head with less offset.

It was me that mikey was directing that towards Scratch , not you Mate .
That bullet was fired at the Bat !

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:13 PM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 11 May 2015 - 04:51 PM, said:

I guess thats always been the gripe on Epon and their iron designs. Too bulky and too much offset, especially in their short irons.
I wish Epon would redesign the short iron heads. Make them slightly smaller and reduce the offset along the lines of Srixon 745 - Miura CB57

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:22 PM

Ohhh, well in that case my apologies Mikey.

Edited by Scratch2Plus, 12 May 2015 - 05:29 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:28 PM

Both brands are Top Notch no doubt about it...
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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:34 PM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 11 May 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

Both brands are Top Notch no doubt about it...

Totally agree Mate .
These 2 companies are in a class of their own .
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Posted 12 May 2015 - 12:01 AM

I think we can all agree they both have great offerings, some better than the others, and their target customers might be slightly different. Probably why Miura has a stronger U.S. market than Japanese, and vice versa for Epon. The offset issue is definitely there for Epon, but they hold firm on their stance and somehow, they hide it really well on some of their models, and those are the ones that suit me more.


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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:11 AM

Sorry Scratch, I was too lazy to use quotes. It was no "bullet" but it was in response to Bat's silly jab about Epon forgetting to address offset. Regardless, thank you for the reply because it is spot on.

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:09 PM

Epon holds there value more then Miura's

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:41 PM

View Postflopshot99, on 12 May 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Epon holds there value more then Miura's

undeniable truth. they really do wear well, esp if you can find a set of those copper 302's...the search is on!

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 11:16 AM

302's are an awesome awesome iron and the personal 2's are even better!! The miura cb 57 have gotten rave reviews though.

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 01:59 PM

Yeah, judging by the offers I've had, if I ever decided to sell my copper 302s I'd probably make money. Don't know of many irons that you can say that about. I didn't lose any money on my AF-Tours or P1s and I highly doubt I'll lose money on the P2s either...

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 03:23 PM

I saw a pic of a set of Copper Af Tour Blades, I think they were in Singapore but they looked soooo good.
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 12:17 AM

I must admit the prices that I've seen for Epon would suggest that they certainly do hold their value nicely .
I have a set of mint condition AF503s that I purchased about this time last year . I gamed them for a few weeks & they just weren't for me .
I'm going to put them in the BST in a week or so . They have Recoil 95s F4 .
I guess we'll see how their value holds up .
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 07:00 AM

Whether or not it's Miura or Epon, neither hold the capacity to satisfy the depths of the human soul.

They're freaking pieces of steel for gods sake.

Miura

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Posted 14 May 2015 - 11:55 AM

I've been searching for another set to build. I sold off my Miura CB57 a couple of months ago. The biggest regret by far. I'm coming back to them. Miura CB57 are solid irons and designed perfectly.
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 03:42 PM

View Postahbot, on 14 May 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

I've been searching for another set to build. I sold off my Miura CB57 a couple of months ago. The biggest regret by far. I'm coming back to them. Miura CB57 are solid irons and designed perfectly.

Hope you get to find a set soon Mate .
Will you have them built with the Tour V again or try a different setup ?

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Posted 14 May 2015 - 04:05 PM

View PostBatman1971, on 14 May 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

View Postahbot, on 14 May 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

I've been searching for another set to build. I sold off my Miura CB57 a couple of months ago. The biggest regret by far. I'm coming back to them. Miura CB57 are solid irons and designed perfectly.

Hope you get to find a set soon Mate .
Will you have them built with the Tour V again or try a different setup ?

I'm going to stick with my trusty DG TI S400. I've been messing with a lot of different shafts the past couple of years. I recently went back to the DG TI S400 and it helped out my game tremendously. I have my builder order me a set of CB57s and some Y/K grind wedges. I should be set for the next year or so. LOL.
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 04:31 PM

View Postahbot, on 14 May 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

View PostBatman1971, on 14 May 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

View Postahbot, on 14 May 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

I've been searching for another set to build. I sold off my Miura CB57 a couple of months ago. The biggest regret by far. I'm coming back to them. Miura CB57 are solid irons and designed perfectly.

Hope you get to find a set soon Mate .
Will you have them built with the Tour V again or try a different setup ?

I'm going to stick with my trusty DG TI S400. I've been messing with a lot of different shafts the past couple of years. I recently went back to the DG TI S400 and it helped out my game tremendously. I have my builder order me a set of CB57s and some Y/K grind wedges. I should be set for the next year or so. LOL.

That's awesome man .
I'll look forward to hearing how the new setup works for you .
I'm lovin my set , they're safe in the bag and gonna see a lot of play for a long time .
Mind you , I wish I had a dollar for every time I've said that though !

Edited by Batman1971, 14 May 2015 - 04:35 PM.

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                PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
                Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
                Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 04:42 PM

Haha I know right. I'm actually tired of building and selling golf stuff. I'm hoping that this is the last set of irons and wedges for awhile. I'm giving myself a year with these. Lol. I'll post pics when I get them in.
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Posted 14 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

I hear you but it's a lot of fun !
Fast forward a few months and I'm betting this is a decision that you'll be very pleased with .
Lookin forward to seeing the pics .
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                Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
                Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
                Yamada Shogun

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 10:56 PM

View Postchiromikey, on 11 May 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

Yeah? They just plain forgot...that must be it. Lmao!!!

Now that I think about it, they forgot to make my 303s feel really harsh on slightly off center strikes as well...stupid, stupid, stupid!

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