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Epon AF Tour CB Vs. Miura CB57

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#31 Batman1971

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:45 PM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 22 April 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

View PostBatman1971, on 22 April 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

View PostScratch2Plus, on 22 April 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

Just need to see the 8-9-P pics before I even think about buying a set lol
Here is a pic of the all satin head...
Attachment image.jpg

That's the finish the AF Tour CB should be presented in !
Definitely check out some photos of the scoring irons as I'm sure you'll love Em .
The last of Boomers comparison photos of the 7 irons should give you a pretty good indication of the differences .
Is there anywhere close by you where you can check a set of CB57s out and actually hold and hit em ?

Yes, I can have a Muira dealer send me their demo with the shaft of my choice to test. But before I even do that I want to see if the 8-9-Pw head shape is to my liking.
Good move .
I did a ton of research on the 57s before I pulled the trigger on them .
Then I had a 7 iron made with a C-Taper Lite and a 6 iron made with a Modus 3 120 so I could make an informed decision on the exact shaft I wanted as well . I'm certainly not suggesting you go to the extremes that I have but making a totally informed decision is the best way to go !
There's another thread on here that features the CB57s with an enormous amount of comparison photos . Including some shots of the set and about 6 different shots of the PW . It's titled : Miura 1957 cavity back iron- In hand and comparison photos .
Check it out and good hunting Mate .

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:48 PM

View PostMJisGOAT, on 22 April 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

View PostScratch2Plus, on 22 April 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

View PostBatman1971, on 22 April 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

View PostScratch2Plus, on 22 April 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

Just need to see the 8-9-P pics before I even think about buying a set lol
Here is a pic of the all satin head...
Attachment image.jpg

That's the finish the AF Tour CB should be presented in !
Definitely check out some photos of the scoring irons as I'm sure you'll love Em .
The last of Boomers comparison photos of the 7 irons should give you a pretty good indication of the differences .
Is there anywhere close by you where you can check a set of CB57s out and actually hold and hit em ?

Yes, I can have a Muira dealer send me their demo with the shaft of my choice to test. But before I even do that I want to see if the 8-9-Pw head shape is to my liking.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:58 PM

Dang! Hmmm...I have a few members that are interested in my Epons, lol

Thanks for the pics MJ!
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Posted 22 April 2015 - 09:00 PM

Just jumping into the the convo late here....
I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.

I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.

The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!
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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:13 AM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 22 April 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

Boomer, would you mind snapping a few pics of the 8-9-Pw on the MIURA CB 57's?

I'll post some tomorrow of both sets

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:16 AM

no worries Boomer, MJ gave me the link to the Miura CB 57's.
All the pictures were there so pics not necessary.

How do the Loomis shafts play? Anything to compare them to? Aerotech? Fuji Mci?
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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:24 AM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 23 April 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

no worries Boomer, MJ gave me the link to the Miura CB 57's.
All the pictures were there so pics not necessary.

How do the Loomis shafts play? Anything to compare them to? Aerotech? Fuji Mci?
Thanks.
What did you think of the pics ?
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Posted 23 April 2015 - 09:48 AM

^^^^ Very nice. Working on selling my Epons with a few members before making a decision. :)
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Posted 24 April 2015 - 06:01 PM

View Postchillr710, on 22 April 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

Just jumping into the the convo late here....
I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.

I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.

The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!

I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 11:12 PM

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View Postchillr710, on 22 April 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

Just jumping into the the convo late here....
I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.

I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.

The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!

I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.

Youre right about the feel of the 57s , they feel fantastic !
As for the looks , I personally love them and was only to happy to choose them over a couple of Epons models but as they say in the classics "One mans trash is another mans treasure" .
The back cavity of the 57s was not designed for looks but for function . One of the reasons the 57s feel so good is due to the presence of the muscle bar in the cavity .
When you strike it pure you can feel the muscle bar hit right through the ball & every time I have I've loved the look of it when I've put it back in the bag !
However , the only looks that truly matter to me with an iron is the look at address and how the ball looks on the green nestled in close to the hole !

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:42 AM

View Postneedmoregolf, on 24 April 2015 - 06:01 PM, said:

View Postchillr710, on 22 April 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

Just jumping into the the convo late here....
I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.

I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.

The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!

I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.
If you want bag appeal then play blades.

The 501's looked amazing in the bag, but since when does that equate to playability. The 501's also have that odd long heel to toe scoring irons shape, which is unappealing no matter how well the cavity looks.

The 57's are the best cb Miura has to date. Simple, elegant, functional, playable for a broad range of players, classic yet modern design. If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:45 AM


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:01 AM

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 01:01 PM

View PostMJisGOAT, on 30 April 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.

Amen.

Has anyone noticed a significant increase in launch angle with their 57s...?  Pulled the shafts from my "old" MP4/MP15 combo set and put them in the 57s, and the trajectory is **significantly** higher, in a good way...have yet to play with someone who hasn't commented on how ridiculously high I hit those irons...
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Posted 30 April 2015 - 01:08 PM

View PostPepsiDuck, on 30 April 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostMJisGOAT, on 30 April 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.

Amen.

Has anyone noticed a significant increase in launch angle with their 57s...?  Pulled the shafts from my "old" MP4/MP15 combo set and put them in the 57s, and the trajectory is **significantly** higher, in a good way...have yet to play with someone who hasn't commented on how ridiculously high I hit those irons...

I've only been out to hit balls and kinda play twice since I got my 57s.  I'm actually having a little trouble keeping the ball down.  I normally play a lot of knockdowns/punch shots and these 57s seem to try and launch the ball up there.  Same shaft as my Tournament Blades.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:31 PM

I keep the ball pretty low , higher launch works for me .  
I also play on fast greens so coming in at a steeper angle has also given me some good results .
I asked my fitter about this and he believes that it's attributed to the weight at the base of the muscle bar that keeps the COG low to encourage launch .



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:53 PM

I'm a high ball hitter as is but didn't notice these ballooning or anything out of the ordinary, pretty piercing ball flight actually, albeit high but boring.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 11:23 AM

View Postneedmoregolf, on 30 April 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

I'm a high ball hitter as is but didn't notice these ballooning or anything out of the ordinary, pretty piercing ball flight actually, albeit high but boring.

Yes, the ball definitely shows no signs of ballooning...just a high, piercing ball flight like you describe...with a 4 iron that goes higher than my buddy's wedges... :bb2:
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 11:41 PM

Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.
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Posted 08 May 2015 - 09:44 AM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 07 May 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.

Good move Scratch !
Let us know what you think .

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 01:52 PM

View PostScratch2Plus, on 07 May 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.

Miura is the real deal.  I have the 57 blades, and although my vega blades are softer(maybe softer than anything), there is something about miura impact that is just different.  II have had my Miuras for a year now and been practicing a lot the last couple of months, and no matter how "used to" that impact you get, it just never gets old.  It is awesome and be sure to hit off of grass if you can.  I feel the essence of Miuras is much more discernible with turf interaction.
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Posted 08 May 2015 - 04:09 PM

View PostBigmean, on 08 May 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

View PostScratch2Plus, on 07 May 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.

Miura is the real deal.  I have the 57 blades, and although my vega blades are softer(maybe softer than anything), there is something about miura impact that is just different.  II have had my Miuras for a year now and been practicing a lot the last couple of months, and no matter how "used to" that impact you get, it just never gets old.  It is awesome and be sure to hit off of grass if you can.  I feel the essence of Miuras is much more discernible with turf interaction.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

Based on looks epon just can't compete with Miura.

It looks less crafted when put alongside the Miura. Neither bring me any money, so my allegiance is to neither, but I would/have bought Miura over Epon any day.
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Posted 08 May 2015 - 05:18 PM

Lol. I love the traditional look of Miura but saying Epon can't compete on looks (or any level) is just an opinion.

Edited by chiromikey, 08 May 2015 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 11:41 PM

I agree.  I love miura but at the end of the day we are talking about luxury golf clubs

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 12:01 AM

I agree as well. my problem with miura is I believe they've diluted their own brand too much and it's really confusing as a consumer as to which one to get. slight differences in grind, a muscle cut this way instead of that, done by miura-San himself or his sons, it all is just too hard to follow, so they lost me awhile ago. that being said, I still admire the craftsmanship and beauty of some of the sets, but I just can't get into them anymore...well, except for one set --- I wil have to own a set of miuraism's one day, now that one is classic!

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 05:47 AM

Likely the sons are doing what sons do and trying to grow the company and expand it and the offerings.  Just only look at whatever catches your eye.  Plenty of miura does nothing for me looks wise, but I think the 1957 series is a home run from irons to wedges.
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    Gold's Factory custom original flat-stick amongst a couple dozen others.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:17 AM

While the personals look stunning, all their cb's look like any other mass produced iron. The two tone chrome and stamping do them a disservice that in no way warrants their asking price.
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Posted 10 May 2015 - 10:21 AM

I'd say the same goes for the miura cb57, and retail prices are similar between both brands.

one thing I will say is miura seems to uphold more of the purist player specs on many of their sets, whereas epon seems to try new things and try to innovate on the tech/specs to help playability. some may say this is for the weaker player and even unorthodox, but seems to work well for many people.

for me, miura forged typically does look nice, but I have to give the nod to epon craftsmanship, as in most cases, they are flat out more beautiful....with the exception of miuraism's ;) Just my $0.02

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 10:40 AM

I can get Miura for 200 club built or under. Epons are closer to 300 plus


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