Jump to content

Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at GolfWRX such as viewing all the images, interacting with members, access to all forums and eligiblility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

* * * * - 3 votes

The "Natural swing motion" and the "Hands"

natural hands

89 replies to this topic

#31 Ri_Redneck

Ri_Redneck

    Leather for Life!!

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 4,411 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 31808
  • Joined: 06/15/2007
  • Location:New England
GolfWRX Likes : 1068

Posted 27 December 2014 - 07:00 PM

Didn't realize any pros played the Nunchuk. Which ones do?

BT

DR #1. RED Amp Cell Pro w/ ATX Red 65 TX 44.5",
DR #2. BLUE Bio Cell Pro w/ ATX Blue 75 X 44.5"
DR #3. WHITE Fly-Z+ w/ Kiyoshi White 75 S 44.5"
DR #4. King LTD Black w/ SpeedrulZ Type A 70 S 44.5"
DR #5. Matte Black Fly-Z + w/ Aldila Rip Beta 70 X 44.5"
RED Bio Cell 3-4 W/ 7Q3 S, BLUE King F6 3-4 w/ Speeder 757 BO Ltd., WHITE Fly-Z 3-4 w/ Speeder 757 US Open Ltd
RED AC 3-4 w/ 7Q3 S, LTD Black 3-4 w/ Rip Beta 80 S - All at 43"
BLUE Bio Cell 5-7 w/ Speeder 757 S British Open LTD, RED Amp Cell 5-7 w/ 8Q3 S, WHITE Fly-Z 5-7 Fubuki Alpha 80 X, LTD Black 4-5 w/ Rip beta 80 S - All at 42"
Cobra Amp Cell Pro 4-pw Aldila Rip Tour 115 R
Mizuno MP4 4-pw Matrix Program 130 S
Mizuno MP15 4-PW Aldila Rip Tour 115 R
Mizuno MP-T5 52-8, 56-12 & 60-8 satin & black
PT#1 Natural Touch Macassar Ebony (rotate)
PT#2 Natural Touch Afzelia Burl (rotate)
PT#3 Natural Touch Bolivian Rosewood (rotate)

Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


1

#32 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 27 December 2014 - 08:03 PM

Ri-Redneck

From what I have been told,

Retief Goosen, John Daly and JJ Henry to name a few. No players are getting paid to play it.

2

#33 Ri_Redneck

Ri_Redneck

    Leather for Life!!

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 4,411 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 31808
  • Joined: 06/15/2007
  • Location:New England
GolfWRX Likes : 1068

Posted 27 December 2014 - 10:11 PM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 27 December 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Ri-Redneck

From what I have been told,

Retief Goosen, John Daly and JJ Henry to name a few. No players are getting paid to play it.

Interesting. I'm not a fan of the bend profile myself, but I can see where some may like it.

BT
DR #1. RED Amp Cell Pro w/ ATX Red 65 TX 44.5",
DR #2. BLUE Bio Cell Pro w/ ATX Blue 75 X 44.5"
DR #3. WHITE Fly-Z+ w/ Kiyoshi White 75 S 44.5"
DR #4. King LTD Black w/ SpeedrulZ Type A 70 S 44.5"
DR #5. Matte Black Fly-Z + w/ Aldila Rip Beta 70 X 44.5"
RED Bio Cell 3-4 W/ 7Q3 S, BLUE King F6 3-4 w/ Speeder 757 BO Ltd., WHITE Fly-Z 3-4 w/ Speeder 757 US Open Ltd
RED AC 3-4 w/ 7Q3 S, LTD Black 3-4 w/ Rip Beta 80 S - All at 43"
BLUE Bio Cell 5-7 w/ Speeder 757 S British Open LTD, RED Amp Cell 5-7 w/ 8Q3 S, WHITE Fly-Z 5-7 Fubuki Alpha 80 X, LTD Black 4-5 w/ Rip beta 80 S - All at 42"
Cobra Amp Cell Pro 4-pw Aldila Rip Tour 115 R
Mizuno MP4 4-pw Matrix Program 130 S
Mizuno MP15 4-PW Aldila Rip Tour 115 R
Mizuno MP-T5 52-8, 56-12 & 60-8 satin & black
PT#1 Natural Touch Macassar Ebony (rotate)
PT#2 Natural Touch Afzelia Burl (rotate)
PT#3 Natural Touch Bolivian Rosewood (rotate)

3

#34 RBImGuy

RBImGuy

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,070 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 30615
  • Joined: 06/03/2007
  • Location:sweden
GolfWRX Likes : 315

Posted 28 December 2014 - 09:26 AM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 25 December 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:



I am interested in any others who have researched the role of the hands and have had any experience in learning by association.

https://www.youtube....h?v=eniqZqPTK0k

you always learn by association its the way the brain works.
Knows the secret to the golf swing to own it.
300+ yards and 4% dispersion for unmatched accuracy
Golf God

4

#35 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 28 December 2014 - 02:48 PM

View PostRBImGuy, on 28 December 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

View Post1lovegolf24, on 25 December 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I am interested in any others who have researched the role of the hands and have had any experience in learning by association.

https://www.youtube....h?v=eniqZqPTK0k

you always learn by association its the way the brain works.

RBImGuy

Thanks, I agree.

Based on the extremely long previous post I pasted from The Science Forum, there is much to discover in this area. Not only in understanding and new research, but in application of what is known so far.


5

#36 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 04 January 2015 - 08:13 PM

Here are some simple observation as to how the hands swing naturally as we walk..

First and most obvious is the L hand R foot action and the opposite R hand L foot action as we move our body forward and swing our arms and pivot.

In the part of the brain that decides to either execute a motion or not, there are options/actions, based on this walking that we can use.

The timming and balance , while moving and swinging weight being the most important, along with our ability to repeat that motion without thought.

If all this is true, based on a variety or arguable information, how would we apply it?

Some suggest we simple walk and golf, or walk down a line of golf balls and hit them.

Some suggest using a grass whip to develop rhythm, timing and balance of swinging a tool at something on the ground.

All very interesting and probably very useful.

However, we don't walk forward down a line tom hit a golf ball, or do we?

Some say Nicklaus never lost his step while Austin suggested we adopt a step and throw thought.

So where does that leave us?

Watch this guys action and pay attention to the R hand and L foot.

https://www.youtube....h?v=ldtD0RS4ED0

https://www.youtube....h?v=V7arHcEqIXU

6

#37 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 04 January 2015 - 08:49 PM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 04 January 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Here are some simple observation as to how the hands swing naturally as we walk..

First and most obvious is the L hand R foot action and the opposite R hand L foot action as we move our body forward and swing our arms and pivot.

In the part of the brain that decides to either execute a motion or not, there are options/actions, based on this walking that we can use.

The timming and balance , while moving and swinging weight being the most important, along with our ability to repeat that motion without thought.

If all this is true, based on a variety or arguable information, how would we apply it?

Some suggest we simple walk and golf, or walk down a line of golf balls and hit them.

Some suggest using a grass whip to develop rhythm, timing and balance of swinging a tool at something on the ground.

All very interesting and probably very useful.

However, we don't walk forward down a line tom hit a golf ball, or do we?

Some say Nicklaus never lost his step while Austin suggested we adopt a step and throw thought.

So where does that leave us?

Watch this guys action and pay attention to the R hand and L foot.

https://www.youtube....h?v=ldtD0RS4ED0

https://www.youtube....h?v=V7arHcEqIXU


7

#38 tdk8180

tdk8180

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,952 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 77908
  • Joined: 03/20/2009
  • Location:Parts Unknown
  • Handicap:3
GolfWRX Likes : 679

Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:36 PM

I've played with many people over the years who have excellent swings (for the amateur level).  Couldn't score...3 putting, poor chipping, no clutch putting, etc.  Great swings, fundamentally solid, no ability to get the ball in the hole

On the other hand, ive played and lost to many swings that were poor and they could chip, putt and simply not be out of the hole.  They can truly "play" the game.

Fundamentals are good and they can help, but the ability to figure out how to manage to play this game within your ability level is arguably more impressive than a picturesque swing that produces a picturesque shot that lands 2 feet short in a picturesque pond.

8

#39 RBImGuy

RBImGuy

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,070 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 30615
  • Joined: 06/03/2007
  • Location:sweden
GolfWRX Likes : 315

Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:33 AM

View Posttdk8180, on 04 January 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

I've played with many people over the years who have excellent swings (for the amateur level).  Couldn't score...3 putting, poor chipping, no clutch putting, etc.  Great swings, fundamentally solid, no ability to get the ball in the hole

On the other hand, ive played and lost to many swings that were poor and they could chip, putt and simply not be out of the hole.  They can truly "play" the game.

Fundamentals are good and they can help, but the ability to figure out how to manage to play this game within your ability level is arguably more impressive than a picturesque swing that produces a picturesque shot that lands 2 feet short in a picturesque pond.

Main issue for tour pros are consistency as none of them can do it.
Main issue for amatuers are the belief that the golf swing makes them play golf really well.
You need both a golf swing with solid mechanics and a performance model to perform golf also alsong the way and build skills to support that.

Tour pros are pretty much clueless about what they themselves are doing and trust amatuers (Como/Foley/Harmon etc..) to teach them to do better to own their golf swing thinking and its like any other amatuer that would make them better when they really need better consistency.
Just ask Mike Weir.
Knows the secret to the golf swing to own it.
300+ yards and 4% dispersion for unmatched accuracy
Golf God

9

#40 tdk8180

tdk8180

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,952 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 77908
  • Joined: 03/20/2009
  • Location:Parts Unknown
  • Handicap:3
GolfWRX Likes : 679

Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:50 AM

My uncle used to play on the tour as a journeyman and he used to say that its all about putting when your a good ball striker, and its all about ball striking for the guys who can putt well.  For the guys that can do both...they win.  For those who can do both consistently, they win majors.

Edited by tdk8180, 05 January 2015 - 07:54 AM.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


10

#41 ej002

ej002

    Hall of Fame

  • Guests
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,134 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 27552
  • Joined: 04/06/2007
GolfWRX Likes : 942

Posted 05 January 2015 - 10:22 AM

View PostHogan1975, on 26 December 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

I think bp7 is a hack .  Unless he posts his swing.  Like so many , all talk and no swings .  Let's see em.  Let's start off the New Years right

Post em up

Put yours up tuffguy

11

#42 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:47 PM

View Posttdk8180, on 05 January 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

My uncle used to play on the tour as a journeyman and he used to say that its all about putting when your a good ball striker, and its all about ball striking for the guys who can putt well.  For the guys that can do both...they win.  For those who can do both consistently, they win majors.

Timesatamp

Interesting

Any thoughts as to what promotes consistency?

12

#43 tdk8180

tdk8180

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,952 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 77908
  • Joined: 03/20/2009
  • Location:Parts Unknown
  • Handicap:3
GolfWRX Likes : 679

Posted 07 January 2015 - 06:59 PM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 06 January 2015 - 07:47 PM, said:

View Posttdk8180, on 05 January 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

My uncle used to play on the tour as a journeyman and he used to say that its all about putting when your a good ball striker, and its all about ball striking for the guys who can putt well.  For the guys that can do both...they win.  For those who can do both consistently, they win majors.

Timesatamp

Interesting

Any thoughts as to what promotes consistency?

If you read between the lines with my comment above.  It breaks down like this....the great ball striker who can't putt or chip well consistently, will struggle to win.  The great putter and chipper (sand player as well), who can't strike it well off the and from the fairway consistently, will struggle to win.  Those who can do both well,  will win a lot, albeit not consistently both, well.  Those who can do both well consistently......win majors.

4 types of pros........The Ball Striker, The Putter, The All-Around, The All-World.

My uncle was the The Ball Striker, and when he putted well.......course records and a few wins on the Hogan Tour.  Decent living on the NIKE and Buy.com as well.  But damn, when I played with him, he was a great putter to me.  Not great enough on the tour.

What promotes consistency?  MENTAL GAME.  They have the mechanics down to be out there(solid, repeatable, reliable motion), but do you have the MENTAL GAME to win.  That's it, especially on the pro level.

I watched my uncle shoot 68 in a senior major championship , and he hit it fairly poorly but chipped in for Eagle and made a putt for Eagle.  Weird round.  The next day, 74, and arguably struck the ball cleaner and hit more fairways.  Couldn't putt it to save his life.  6 shots.  All mental.  His approaches were giving him some putts that were not favorable. He tried to outthink the course, and it cost him 6 shots.

Edited by tdk8180, 07 January 2015 - 07:07 PM.


13

#44 resnor

resnor

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 333 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 249464
  • Joined: 05/08/2013
GolfWRX Likes : 109

Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:11 PM

Everyone realizes that calling someone a "hack" has a definition outside of golf, right?  For instance "one who produces banal and mediocre work in the hope of gaining commercial success."

14

#45 notsohard

notsohard

    Tour Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 738 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 232857
  • Joined: 02/27/2013
  • Handicap:+.
GolfWRX Likes : 240

Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:09 AM

View PostRi_Redneck, on 27 December 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

Didn't realize any pros played the Nunchuk. Which ones do? BT

More than a few, TM even sprays them up for their boys.


15

#46 notsohard

notsohard

    Tour Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 738 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 232857
  • Joined: 02/27/2013
  • Handicap:+.
GolfWRX Likes : 240

Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:13 AM

View Posteightiron, on 26 December 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

He was more known for his golf shafts Ad21 from memory

Yes, 21AD Exception was the "trial" shaft i believe for the nunchuk, still have one somewhere, a very good shaft.

16

#47 northgolf

northgolf

    Pork

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,787 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 79459
  • Joined: 04/07/2009
GolfWRX Likes : 1072

Posted 09 January 2015 - 10:37 AM

View PostKiwi2, on 26 December 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

View Posteightiron, on 26 December 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

Gerry Hogan was not a professional . In Australia you had to earn that via Q school or pga trainee . From my recollection he was about a 6 handicap which means basically nothing . In other words he might not break 90 in a tour event or he might break 80 , depends . He was more known for his golf shafts Ad21 from memory

Yes a 5 or 6.

So he wasn't what most people would call a hack.

I'm a 5 or a 6 and I am definitely a hack.
No matter where you go, there you are.

17

#48 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 15 January 2015 - 11:20 AM

View Postnorthgolf, on 09 January 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

View PostKiwi2, on 26 December 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

View Posteightiron, on 26 December 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

Gerry Hogan was not a professional . In Australia you had to earn that via Q school or pga trainee . From my recollection he was about a 6 handicap which means basically nothing . In other words he might not break 90 in a tour event or he might break 80 , depends . He was more known for his golf shafts Ad21 from memory

Yes a 5 or 6.

So he wasn't what most people would call a hack.

I'm a 5 or a 6 and I am definitely a hack.


The term hack has always carried a bit of negative vibe for me, especially when it comes from someone who is only 1-4 strokes better, which seems rediculous. Even if it is meant to describe a swing look, it still carries the negative vibe, yet doesn't mean bad scores. I even seee the term used when someone uses the term to downplay ones own view or their abilities. How sad.

The reason for the small rant and why I ask the current questions is to point out the reason so many leave this great game of golf.

The biggest reason, from what I have learned and seen, is that the general population just doesn't get better, regardless of how much they spend on equiptment, lessons or amount of time they spend practicing.
After yrs or even shorter, they become frustrated, embarrassed and sometimes broke, all in the name of wanting to play golf at a respectable level.

So what gives? That is the reason I started this thread and why I ask the questions I do.

Maybe the way golf instruction is taught. I don'y think so. Maybe it is the way each golfer decides to go about reaching the level they want to and are willing to do what it takes.

Having said that, I believe it is the process that needs to be refined.

Many of the great golfers and teachers have given this one simple peice of advice when it comes to this approach.

" Be your own best teacher"

Anyway, just some thoughts and how I am attempting to approach reaching the level in golf I want and what I am willing to do.

Edited by 1lovegolf24, 15 January 2015 - 11:23 AM.


18

#49 Denny71

Denny71

    Tour Winner

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 560 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 338007
  • Joined: 09/04/2014
  • Handicap:+1
GolfWRX Likes : 239

Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:29 PM

The hands are fine, but impact is the only imperative in golf

19

#50 rustyhobo

rustyhobo

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 273 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 313153
  • Joined: 05/04/2014
GolfWRX Likes : 79

Posted 16 January 2015 - 01:00 AM

Hey mark

On why people don't get better. I think some of it is how golf is taught.  Most golf instructors know a lot of the technical side of the swing,  but they don't understand motor learning or the way the brain works and their students just wind up beating balls.

This same problem extends to the students so they don't know how to be their own teacher.  

When it comes to learning or teaching golf  successfully, first in priority is learning how motor skills should be learned,  second comes knowledge of golf technique.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

20

#51 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 16 January 2015 - 11:47 AM

The question of what role the hands play in the golf swing, it's connection to the brain, along with path, grip pressure, control, etc is debatable and much is left to be learned.
However, the subject of how we learn has been brought up and just as debatable. New research in the field of developing motor skills has revealed much. Some suggestions have been put forth, one of which states that having external cues rather than internal has increased motor skills and taps into our natural ability to learn such as we did when we were childeren.
We saw what needed to be done, felt the weight of the club swing and did our best to put the club head into the ball without any knowledge of what mechanics were or even how to spell mechanics for that matter. And just like walking or learning to throw a ball, ride a bike, we eventually get it and never forget it.
Of course this is as debatable as push and pull in a swing motion and leads us into the ever growing debate of mechanics (internal) vs external, (feel of the clubhead and it's path).
My belief and past experience along with a great deal or research looking for answers suggest that the motor skills used to hit a ball with a stick has already been learned, programed and neuro pathways enforced with all the body functions on board.
Getting out of our own way and with all the misperceptions we have, one being an internal focus, has only hindered our ability to further develop those skills in order to improve precision and consistancy.
Ron Sisson, a golf pro from  "therealswing" has provided and put into context his ideas and what he has found, backed up by research. He has been kind enought o share that information with me, as I have passed some onto you here.
Where that info takes us is still a matter best left to the future, and one I am sure is full of more questions and process of gathering information.
The best information/advice I ever got, was "You have to be your own best teacher". I also believe you have to  be a better student in the process.

21

#52 rustyhobo

rustyhobo

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 273 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 313153
  • Joined: 05/04/2014
GolfWRX Likes : 79

Posted 17 January 2015 - 03:25 PM

Let me point out something 1love. It's not about external vs internal cues but using BOTH internal and external cues to develop a skill.

The literature supports that during the actual performance of a skill where your performance will be graded the best mindset is a clear mind. But internal cues are useful during practice to develop the technique.

Here's a link to an abstract supporting internal cues early on in skill acquisition, then switching to external cues to refine the movement.

http://www.degruyter...o-2013-0022.xml


"In conjunction, the results of the three experiments pointed to the positive effects of an internal attention of focus instructions followed by an external attentional focus on motor learning. "

A lot of reserach is limited because they only test for internal vs external. They do not perform longitudinal studies that follow and athlete through the development of the technique over time.
It's strange how the literature is limited to only internal vs external instead of testing how they can be used in conjunction.

22

#53 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 19 January 2015 - 11:56 AM

Rustyhobo,

Great point . Thanks for the information and reminder.

As someone who values information and research, I have at times ben remise about spending as much time objectively looking at the other side.

Also, as a person who has been involved in sports my whole life, it is a very difficult but interesting journey to try and explain what most of us have done most of our lives without ever thinking about the how or why.

Now that I am older, and have taken up this great game of golf as an adult, the task doesn't come so easily and therfore the analyzing adult brain kicks in and I find myself here, asking  a lot of questions, much in the same way I did as a kid.

However, when I was a kid, the only question I ever remember asked my coach was, "show me how to do that again."

So here I am, not really sure where this will all lead to, but one question always seems to rise to the top.

"why can't I learn the same way I did when I was young?"Maybe golf is not a matter of learning new motor functions or making a better wheel. Maybe it is just in the mind, and tapping into the skills we already possess and just need to apply them to the task, just as Moe Norman stated,

"Take this dumb thing, hit that dumb thing" . Seems simple enough.

Anway, I appreciate the post Rustyhobo and will, in the future speend more time looking at information equally from both sides before making any conclusions.


Cheers

23

#54 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 14 March 2015 - 11:52 AM

Here is one of my favorite videos I like to study. Anthony has provided a great library of study videos and I must say thanks for that.

Anyway, I have always believed and trusted in the hands with regards to what controls the natural swing motion and is the key, IMO and for me,  to developing  a repeatable golf swing.

As to this video, it is my belief that Hogans waggle suggest his DS first and his BS second.

What I mean or see, based on body language, (R knee, L hand motion) in the waggle, his first motion matches the  first motion of his DS, and his second motion of his waggle is what he feels in his BS.

Here is the video and you can draw your own conclusions. As for me, body language is the key and is primarily controlled by the subconscious as we swing weight naturally.

https://www.youtube....h?v=1PB7UywF_yw

Edited by 1lovegolf24, 14 March 2015 - 11:53 AM.


24

#55 FatReed

FatReed

    FatReed

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 469 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 345469
  • Joined: 10/20/2014
GolfWRX Likes : 139

Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:29 PM

LoveGolf,

Over the Holidays I was gifted Peter Croker's Path to Better Golf. Kind of a random book, but the gifter knows of my interest in golf and somehow - randomly, I am sure - decided upon Peter's book.

In truth, I have not yet begun to read the book, but have looked Peter up on the internet and it seems his teaching is based off the premise that the hands control the swing. Interestingly, Peter appears to emirate from the same continent as one Mr. Gerry Hogan whom, of course, is a WRX favorite piñata :-))

Anyway, if time allows, I hope to start reading Peter's book. Given the topic and views expressed in this thread, does Peter's approach to the game coincide with constructive thoughts expressed in this thread?


25

#56 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 16 March 2015 - 02:19 PM

FatReed,

Interesting post and question. Thanks.

I too am interested but have not yet read Peter's book and am in the process of tracking down a copy..  

As to the question, regarding this threads intent/search (views) and Peter's approach, I am interested to hear what others might have to think about it?

26

#57 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 24 March 2015 - 09:02 PM

Just for fun but extremely curious,

"How many people believe in golf instruction that advocates that one should leave the hands out of the swing, as well as believe that the hands are nothing more than clamps and do nothing in the swing?"

No right or wrong answer. Just curious.

Edited by 1lovegolf24, 24 March 2015 - 09:03 PM.


27

#58 FatReed

FatReed

    FatReed

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 469 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 345469
  • Joined: 10/20/2014
GolfWRX Likes : 139

Posted 24 March 2015 - 09:30 PM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 24 March 2015 - 09:02 PM, said:

Just for fun but extremely curious,

"How many people believe in golf instruction that advocates that one should leave the hands out of the swing, as well as believe that the hands are nothing more than clamps and do nothing in the swing?"

No right or wrong answer. Just curious.

Love golf,

Peter Croker book pretty quick read. Certain that more insight can be gleamed through additional reads.

In any event, Peter certainly feels that there are no pulling, only pushing motions in the golf swing. Such motions are described, as expected through the hands. However, in the sense that I BELIEVE you presented the topic, I don't THINK Peter is conveying the same message. For example, it seems Peter feels all the pushing motions - but does not necessarily feel the entire swing - are controlled in an automated fashion through the hands?

Hope I explained properly? Also, acknowledge that my impressions of Peter's work and your thread intentions could be inaccurate.

Fat

Edited by FatReed, 25 March 2015 - 06:15 PM.


28

#59 FatReed

FatReed

    FatReed

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 469 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 345469
  • Joined: 10/20/2014
GolfWRX Likes : 139

Posted 26 March 2015 - 02:13 PM

View Post1lovegolf24, on 24 March 2015 - 09:02 PM, said:

Just for fun but extremely curious,

"How many people believe in golf instruction that advocates that one should leave the hands out of the swing, as well as believe that the hands are nothing more than clamps and do nothing in the swing?"

No right or wrong answer. Just curious.

Lovegolf,

Just looking at new thread on 'right shoulder.' OP of that thread attached an oldee but goodee of Lynn Blake that I hadn't seen in a while. Was watching and picked something up starting at approximately 2:30 minute mark that I thought was right up your alley.





29

#60 1lovegolf24

1lovegolf24

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 112 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 123067
  • Joined: 02/26/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 7

Posted 26 March 2015 - 05:38 PM

FarReed,

Thanks for the video. I am also a fan of Tom Tomasello who believes the hands control the swing.

@ 6:20

https://www.youtube....h?v=V1JkT2ZLwos

Also, IMHO, Hogan Figured this out also.

Watch the first 10 sec of this video.

https://www.youtube....h?v=hQQRwHAZ2Ik

Here is my personal beliefs from the start of my journey. it is really corny, but has always been my belief that a swing is the same as a throw motion and developed,executed naturally.

https://www.youtube....h?v=dZnkqpVy0x8


Lastly, it is surprising how often the word natural comes up in golf analysis and instruction lately???????????


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

30



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

GolfWRX Sponsors