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#2371 J13

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:55 AM

Sorry to hear about the elbow bothering you.

I'm down with something at the moment as well, but that just means it's time to clean house and build up stuff to test when I'm back :).

I've got a Rogue SZ head on the way.  Will be keeping an eye on your testing as you hopefully start getting them out to the course for the real important testing!

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:39 PM

Sorry for the injury issues. I've got a rogue SZ with Kuro Kage XT70-TX tour version on the way. It's replacing my G400 LST. Like you nothing could touch it. I had the weight in the back and was consistently getting 14.5 launch and 2200 spin.

My swing speed is around yours with your elbow issues of 113-115.

M3 is good but I still feel TM kind of missed the mark and will lose more ground to Callaway. The only thing keeping them afloat is there outstanding tour staff.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:46 PM

View PostFAbb, on 12 February 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Sorry to hear about the elbow bothering you.

I'm down with something at the moment as well, but that just means it's time to clean house and build up stuff to test when I'm back :).

I've got a Rogue SZ head on the way.  Will be keeping an eye on your testing as you hopefully start getting them out to the course for the real important testing!

Rogue SZ is a great head and I look forward to getting it on course for sure.  

View PostFlogzero, on 12 February 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the injury issues. I've got a rogue SZ with Kuro Kage XT70-TX tour version on the way. It's replacing my G400 LST. Like you nothing could touch it. I had the weight in the back and was consistently getting 14.5 launch and 2200 spin.

My swing speed is around yours with your elbow issues of 113-115.

M3 is good but I still feel TM kind of missed the mark and will lose more ground to Callaway. The only thing keeping them afloat is there outstanding tour staff.

Thanks, yeah the elbow situation sucks for sure but it's my own fault for not giving it time to heal.  Too hard to pass up playing when it's nice outside :D  I like the idea behind twist face but the problem is it's not really going to be that noticeable where most people test which is indoors.  Ballspeed shows up and is very noticeable as is distance.it produces.  Rogue SZ on the LM couldn't be matched.  But again on course is where it matters not on the video screen.  I don't care if it's trackman, gc2, flightscope, whatever.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:38 PM

View PostJ13, on 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D

At this point just carry 6 drivers.  :crazy2:
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

View PostPure745, on 12 February 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

View PostJ13, on 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D

At this point just carry 6 drivers.  :crazy2:

haha I heard Paco does that :cheesy:
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:24 PM

The m3/4 look quite white in the photo. I haven’t seen one in person, but didn’t like the grey, compared to the m2. These look much better, or is it a trick of the camera?

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:10 PM

 J13, on 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D


Thanks for the comparison pics. Honestly before looking at the pics I thought G400 would of been my least my favorite but surprising from the pics to me I think it looks the best (never thought I'd say over the other 3 heads.)

That sucks it seems a lot of guys are having small annoying issues (I'm having a left wrist issue and it sucks). Hope the elbow heals quick. Looking forward to hearing out the outdoor testing goes. Are M3/4 shafts much different then what's in the G400 and Rogue?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:35 PM

 rymail00, on 12 February 2018 - 09:10 PM, said:

 J13, on 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D


Thanks for the comparison pics. Honestly before looking at the pics I thought G400 would of been my least my favorite but surprising from the pics to me I think it looks the best (never thought I'd say over the other 3 heads.)

That sucks it seems a lot of guys are having small annoying issues (I'm having a left wrist issue and it sucks). Hope the elbow heals quick. Looking forward to hearing out the outdoor testing goes. Are M3/4 shafts much different then what's in the G400 and Rogue?

Getting old sucks :D

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesnít help!
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:33 PM

 swizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

When you say hitting off mats was it your wrist or elbow that got hurt/sore?

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM

 swizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

 rymail00, on 12 February 2018 - 11:33 PM, said:

 swizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

When you say hitting off mats was it your wrist or elbow that got hurt/sore?

Elbow.  Just that extra force or vibration at impact.  I donít practice during the season now unless itís on grass, if range is mats only Iíll just skip it and go play.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:46 AM

 J13, on 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

 swizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

Yea something like that would help.  Not many options here in MI, you either hit off mats or donít hit balls.  Luckily the simulators that are popping up like crazy now are using higher quality than your typical driving range, Iíve been playing inside twice a week with no problems.  

Havenít hit what heís playing, the recoil protos are nice.  I did those the spring coming off the hurt elbow and was able to play 4+ times a week with no pain.  They do help on the physical side so if you find a set that performs its worth at least keeping a backup set for days your worried might hurt.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

 swizbeatz, on 13 February 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

 J13, on 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

 swizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

Yea something like that would help.  Not many options here in MI, you either hit off mats or don't hit balls.  Luckily the simulators that are popping up like crazy now are using higher quality than your typical driving range, I've been playing inside twice a week with no problems.  

Haven't hit what he's playing, the recoil protos are nice.  I did those the spring coming off the hurt elbow and was able to play 4+ times a week with no pain.  They do help on the physical side so if you find a set that performs its worth at least keeping a backup set for days your worried might hurt.

I'm not opposed to it but it's hard to try before you buy and as you said not a ton of options.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

Better get some graphite....I got mine for my shoulder, I can play or practice now 3 times as long with steel.  Just go straight to 125x SF or f5 recoil...
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:49 PM

 Deuce78, on 13 February 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Better get some graphite....I got mine for my shoulder, I can play or practice now 3 times as long with steel.  Just go straight to 125x SF or f5 recoil...

I'm not opposed to it just a matter of trying some out.  Going to see how this elbow plays out then decide come spring.

Ping G400 LST 8.5* / Mitsu Kuro Kage Dual Core XT 70TX
Callaway 3Deep 14.5 Xphlexxx Agera 82g RF Proto
Taylormade UDI 2 iron (UST Proforce V2)
Srixon 745's 4-PW (Modus Tour 120 TX)
Callaway MD3 50, 54, 60 Modus3 125 wedge shaft
Odyssey White Hot Versa #6


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