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#2371 J13

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:55 AM

Sorry to hear about the elbow bothering you.

I'm down with something at the moment as well, but that just means it's time to clean house and build up stuff to test when I'm back :).

I've got a Rogue SZ head on the way.  Will be keeping an eye on your testing as you hopefully start getting them out to the course for the real important testing!

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:39 PM

Sorry for the injury issues. I've got a rogue SZ with Kuro Kage XT70-TX tour version on the way. It's replacing my G400 LST. Like you nothing could touch it. I had the weight in the back and was consistently getting 14.5 launch and 2200 spin.

My swing speed is around yours with your elbow issues of 113-115.

M3 is good but I still feel TM kind of missed the mark and will lose more ground to Callaway. The only thing keeping them afloat is there outstanding tour staff.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:46 PM

View PostFAbb, on 12 February 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Sorry to hear about the elbow bothering you.

I'm down with something at the moment as well, but that just means it's time to clean house and build up stuff to test when I'm back :).

I've got a Rogue SZ head on the way.  Will be keeping an eye on your testing as you hopefully start getting them out to the course for the real important testing!

Rogue SZ is a great head and I look forward to getting it on course for sure.  

View PostFlogzero, on 12 February 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the injury issues. I've got a rogue SZ with Kuro Kage XT70-TX tour version on the way. It's replacing my G400 LST. Like you nothing could touch it. I had the weight in the back and was consistently getting 14.5 launch and 2200 spin.

My swing speed is around yours with your elbow issues of 113-115.

M3 is good but I still feel TM kind of missed the mark and will lose more ground to Callaway. The only thing keeping them afloat is there outstanding tour staff.

Thanks, yeah the elbow situation sucks for sure but it's my own fault for not giving it time to heal.  Too hard to pass up playing when it's nice outside :D  I like the idea behind twist face but the problem is it's not really going to be that noticeable where most people test which is indoors.  Ballspeed shows up and is very noticeable as is distance.it produces.  Rogue SZ on the LM couldn't be matched.  But again on course is where it matters not on the video screen.  I don't care if it's trackman, gc2, flightscope, whatever.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:38 PM

View PostJ13, on 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D

At this point just carry 6 drivers.  :crazy2:
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

View PostPure745, on 12 February 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

View PostJ13, on 12 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostSmitty120, on 12 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Can't wait for warmer weather and on course thoughts.   Shall we start a "J13" YouTube channel since other reviewers are becoming morons?   I can be the camera man.  :superman:

haha nobody wants to watch me hit clubs

View Postscottaz, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Stop d*cking around and test out the 440 down low:)

I actually did test it but it was too low in spin for me plus i really like the shape of the 460 M3.  Of course i'm tempted to build a 440 at 44" :D

At this point just carry 6 drivers.  :crazy2:

haha I heard Paco does that :cheesy:
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:24 PM

The m3/4 look quite white in the photo. I haven’t seen one in person, but didn’t like the grey, compared to the m2. These look much better, or is it a trick of the camera?

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:10 PM

View PostJ13, on 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D


Thanks for the comparison pics. Honestly before looking at the pics I thought G400 would of been my least my favorite but surprising from the pics to me I think it looks the best (never thought I'd say over the other 3 heads.)

That sucks it seems a lot of guys are having small annoying issues (I'm having a left wrist issue and it sucks). Hope the elbow heals quick. Looking forward to hearing out the outdoor testing goes. Are M3/4 shafts much different then what's in the G400 and Rogue?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:35 PM

View Postrymail00, on 12 February 2018 - 09:10 PM, said:

View PostJ13, on 11 February 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

So despite it being 60* i couldn't play thanks to several inches of rain.  I ended up heading to the shop to mess around and brought my Agera's with each OEM adapter.  Again all are about the same CPM and same weight so it's apples to apples.

Winner today was clear -Rogue SZ - Nothing could hang with the 15* launch and 2000 spin i was getting.  D/S setting.  Again indoors is great but real test comes outside.  Nothing takes the place of my G400LST until it beats it on a course.  Was average around 114mph today which is good considering my elbow (tennis/elbow).  Normally i can get 118-122 but no chance right now.  Too much inflammation and pain :(  Anyway it's still fun to try them out but i will have to give it a break at some point or my elbow might fall off.  :D


Thanks for the comparison pics. Honestly before looking at the pics I thought G400 would of been my least my favorite but surprising from the pics to me I think it looks the best (never thought I'd say over the other 3 heads.)

That sucks it seems a lot of guys are having small annoying issues (I'm having a left wrist issue and it sucks). Hope the elbow heals quick. Looking forward to hearing out the outdoor testing goes. Are M3/4 shafts much different then what's in the G400 and Rogue?

Getting old sucks :D

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesnít help!
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:33 PM

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The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

When you say hitting off mats was it your wrist or elbow that got hurt/sore?

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM

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The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

View Postrymail00, on 12 February 2018 - 11:33 PM, said:

View Postswizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

When you say hitting off mats was it your wrist or elbow that got hurt/sore?

Elbow.  Just that extra force or vibration at impact.  I donít practice during the season now unless itís on grass, if range is mats only Iíll just skip it and go play.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:46 AM

View PostJ13, on 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

View Postswizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

Yea something like that would help.  Not many options here in MI, you either hit off mats or donít hit balls.  Luckily the simulators that are popping up like crazy now are using higher quality than your typical driving range, Iíve been playing inside twice a week with no problems.  

Havenít hit what heís playing, the recoil protos are nice.  I did those the spring coming off the hurt elbow and was able to play 4+ times a week with no pain.  They do help on the physical side so if you find a set that performs its worth at least keeping a backup set for days your worried might hurt.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

View Postswizbeatz, on 13 February 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostJ13, on 13 February 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

View Postswizbeatz, on 12 February 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

The worst I got it was when I hit a bunch of balls off mats.  I also had to go away from PX shafts when I first started playing a ton of rounds a year.  Spending too much time here on your phone doesn't help!

Yeah the right mats can make a world of difference.  At my club i plan on doing a majority of my practicing now on grass but there's a facility right down the street from me that has the pro tee system which is great.  The ball sits on longer grass that provides a lot of cushion and doesn't give that constant pounding on the joints.  

Pure is trying to convince me to come to the dark side of graphite iron shafts but we shall see :D

Yea something like that would help.  Not many options here in MI, you either hit off mats or don't hit balls.  Luckily the simulators that are popping up like crazy now are using higher quality than your typical driving range, I've been playing inside twice a week with no problems.  

Haven't hit what he's playing, the recoil protos are nice.  I did those the spring coming off the hurt elbow and was able to play 4+ times a week with no pain.  They do help on the physical side so if you find a set that performs its worth at least keeping a backup set for days your worried might hurt.

I'm not opposed to it but it's hard to try before you buy and as you said not a ton of options.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

Better get some graphite....I got mine for my shoulder, I can play or practice now 3 times as long with steel.  Just go straight to 125x SF or f5 recoil...
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:49 PM

View PostDeuce78, on 13 February 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Better get some graphite....I got mine for my shoulder, I can play or practice now 3 times as long with steel.  Just go straight to 125x SF or f5 recoil...

I'm not opposed to it just a matter of trying some out.  Going to see how this elbow plays out then decide come spring.

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#2391 J13

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:00 PM

So the elbow is starting to get better from a combination of ice and anti inflammatory's (ibuprofen) at night.  I've tried heat and ice, just heat, just ice, and finally found a combination of what works for me.  It's not 100% yet but it's about 85% which is MUCH better then it's been.  

With that said I played a few times this week and played really well (68, 72) which i'm thrilled with considering i haven't played in a month due to the elbow.  Also tested out the M4 16.5* which sets up nice to the ball.  I've been looking for a fairway wood that works well off the tee but not as long as my driver due to the course i typically play.  I think i've finally conquered the demon that tempts me to get the 13* 3 woods :D

So the M4 is a good stick but not the right one for me.  Definitely spun too much and launched WAY too high.  I hit some great shots with it off the deck but off the tee I wasn't getting the distance i needed because of the spin.  Balloon city.  I'm going to try the 15* and also the Rogue SZ 15* which i think is going to be the winner.  I've hit it indoors and everything seems to be perfect numbers wise so we shall see.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:14 PM

I had both medial and lateral epicondylitis, and unfortunately, I ended up requiring surgery, as all the conservative treatments didn't provide long lasting results.  Take the time to get this to heal up before you follow me down the rabbit hole.  There are stretches, in addition to ice, rest and NSAIDs that will help.  There are also exercises to do, once it feels better.  Next line treatment is steroid injection, followed by PRP injection.  Surgery is the last alternative, when all of the above fail.  I switched from steel iron shafts to graphite, and this has been a big help in allowing my to play golf without it flaring up.  There are so many good graphite iron shafts out there, it is worth finding a match.  Another thing to think about is that if you plan to play for another 20 years, reducing the stress on your elbow with graphite will lengthen your playing career.  Good luck!!
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Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:31 PM

Did the M4 fw set up a little too upright?  To me, it seemed like the regular model sets up pretty upright.  Found that I liked the M3 fw much better, probably due it looking less upright and being able to have more options with the adjustments.

On the Rogue SZ fairway, I really like the new model much better than last years Epic SZ fw.  Something about last years model looked too shallow.  This years model looks much better.  Doesn’t look like I may go under ball if I come in too steep.  Not sure if the face is actually any deeper on the new model, but just doesn’t look as shallow to me and sets up to the ball perfectly to my eye.
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Posted 24 February 2018 - 03:31 PM

View PostMob, on 24 February 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

I had both medial and lateral epicondylitis, and unfortunately, I ended up requiring surgery, as all the conservative treatments didn't provide long lasting results.  Take the time to get this to heal up before you follow me down the rabbit hole.  There are stretches, in addition to ice, rest and NSAIDs that will help.  There are also exercises to do, once it feels better.  Next line treatment is steroid injection, followed by PRP injection.  Surgery is the last alternative, when all of the above fail.  I switched from steel iron shafts to graphite, and this has been a big help in allowing my to play golf without it flaring up.  There are so many good graphite iron shafts out there, it is worth finding a match.  Another thing to think about is that if you plan to play for another 20 years, reducing the stress on your elbow with graphite will lengthen your playing career.  Good luck!!


Appreciate the advice and I think I’ve found a way to play and practice while not messing with it too much which has helped. I’m giving it a lot more rest then I was which has helped tremendously.  I’m also changing up my gym routine that was also stressing it.  Graphite is certainly on the table I just have to find some that work for me.


View PostPeanut191, on 24 February 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

Did the M4 fw set up a little too upright?  To me, it seemed like the regular model sets up pretty upright.  Found that I liked the M3 fw much better, probably due it looking less upright and being able to have more options with the adjustments.

On the Rogue SZ fairway, I really like the new model much better than last years Epic SZ fw.  Something about last years model looked too shallow.  This years model looks much better.  Doesn’t look like I may go under ball if I come in too steep.  Not sure if the face is actually any deeper on the new model, but just doesn’t look as shallow to me and sets up to the ball perfectly to my eye.

M4 was perfect while M3 is too flat for me.  Rogue SZ looks perfect to my eye. Reminds me of the 2016 M2 which is a fairway wood I regret selling.
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 10:13 AM

View PostPeanut191, on 24 February 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

Did the M4 fw set up a little too upright?  To me, it seemed like the regular model sets up pretty upright.  Found that I liked the M3 fw much better, probably due it looking less upright and being able to have more options with the adjustments.

On the Rogue SZ fairway, I really like the new model much better than last years Epic SZ fw.  Something about last years model looked too shallow.  This years model looks much better.  Doesn’t look like I may go under ball if I come in too steep.  Not sure if the face is actually any deeper on the new model, but just doesn’t look as shallow to me and sets up to the ball perfectly to my eye.

The Rogue SZ fw is deeper than it appears to be at address, and I think it's because there's a decent amount of face area above the top score line.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 11:21 AM

View Postbcflyguy1, on 26 February 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

View PostPeanut191, on 24 February 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

Did the M4 fw set up a little too upright?  To me, it seemed like the regular model sets up pretty upright.  Found that I liked the M3 fw much better, probably due it looking less upright and being able to have more options with the adjustments.

On the Rogue SZ fairway, I really like the new model much better than last years Epic SZ fw.  Something about last years model looked too shallow.  This years model looks much better.  Doesn’t look like I may go under ball if I come in too steep.  Not sure if the face is actually any deeper on the new model, but just doesn’t look as shallow to me and sets up to the ball perfectly to my eye.

The Rogue SZ fw is deeper than it appears to be at address, and I think it's because there's a decent amount of face area above the top score line.

Agree but it's not like the m4 tour head for comparison sake.
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 11:52 AM

View PostJ13, on 24 February 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

View PostMob, on 24 February 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

I had both medial and lateral epicondylitis, and unfortunately, I ended up requiring surgery, as all the conservative treatments didn't provide long lasting results.  Take the time to get this to heal up before you follow me down the rabbit hole.  There are stretches, in addition to ice, rest and NSAIDs that will help.  There are also exercises to do, once it feels better.  Next line treatment is steroid injection, followed by PRP injection.  Surgery is the last alternative, when all of the above fail.  I switched from steel iron shafts to graphite, and this has been a big help in allowing my to play golf without it flaring up.  There are so many good graphite iron shafts out there, it is worth finding a match.  Another thing to think about is that if you plan to play for another 20 years, reducing the stress on your elbow with graphite will lengthen your playing career.  Good luck!!


Appreciate the advice and I think I’ve found a way to play and practice while not messing with it too much which has helped. I’m giving it a lot more rest then I was which has helped tremendously.  I’m also changing up my gym routine that was also stressing it.  Graphite is certainly on the table I just have to find some that work for me.


View PostPeanut191, on 24 February 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

Did the M4 fw set up a little too upright?  To me, it seemed like the regular model sets up pretty upright.  Found that I liked the M3 fw much better, probably due it looking less upright and being able to have more options with the adjustments.

On the Rogue SZ fairway, I really like the new model much better than last years Epic SZ fw.  Something about last years model looked too shallow.  This years model looks much better.  Doesn’t look like I may go under ball if I come in too steep.  Not sure if the face is actually any deeper on the new model, but just doesn’t look as shallow to me and sets up to the ball perfectly to my eye.

M4 was perfect while M3 is too flat for me.  Rogue SZ looks perfect to my eye. Reminds me of the 2016 M2 which is a fairway wood I regret selling.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:12 PM

Yeah the m2 2016 fwy wood is legit and has a great shape and size to it.  The latest M3 fwy looks awful to me and SUPER flat, the M4 looks better to my eye.  Overall though the Rogue SZ is perfection and can't see anything touching it in the looks and performance categories.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:25 PM

Wow, thats a great looking putter. I have been gaming a White Hot Marxman Blade for about 8 years, nothing can kick it out of the bag.  

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

View Postshorrrno, on 26 February 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

Wow, thats a great looking putter. I have been gaming a White Hot Marxman Blade for about 8 years, nothing can kick it out of the bag.  

Will definitely give that one a look

The alignment is so easy i'm tempted to grab one with the S neck to see if it fares better then the double bend version.  Through my putter testing last summer i realized a few things and one of them is double bend putters are no bueno for me which limits your options with mallets.

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