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How adjustable drivers actually work. Everyone should be required to watch this to be allowed to post on this site. Thanks Tom Wishon


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#391 Londoner

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:53 AM

View PostStuart G., on 18 October 2017 - 03:35 AM, said:

View PostLondoner, on 17 October 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

Really? People cant see if a 460 driver face is square? What do they do with a wedge?

Forget the wedges, numerous studies have shown that most average golfers can't really see if their putter is square and pointed in the right direction.
Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:16 AM

View PostLondoner, on 18 October 2017 - 08:53 AM, said:

Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

We are talking about the ability of the player to point the club face in a particular direction and know what direction it's really pointing.

But the key isn't really where it's pointing at set-up.   It only matters where it's pointing at impact and the two are rarely the same.  The only thing that's important is how consistent they are at where it might point at setup.   And there is very little to indicate one method is any more or less consistent then any other.

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 11:16 AM

As always, thanks, Tom. I hadn't watched this because I was playing a non-adjustable driver when you created it. Now that I picked an adjustable model up, I'm glad I gave it a view.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:56 PM

when I adjust the loft angle the lettering on the club moves.  I then Have the club regripped with lettering centered to a square club face.  dosen't this resolve the square face issue?   On regular shots don'rt we square the face to the target line anyway?

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 02:51 PM

View Postsurffshr, on 16 November 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

when I adjust the loft angle the lettering on the club moves.  I then Have the club regripped with lettering centered to a square club face.  dosen't this resolve the square face issue?   On regular shots don'rt we square the face to the target line anyway?
Thats my thoughts as well.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:41 AM

great info

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:18 AM

View PostSupremexx, on 28 November 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

great info

So what you are basically saying is...

You have been registered on here for 6 years and are just now choosing to SPAM the forums to get your post count up, can only image for BST rights correct?

Hint:  the 12 posts in 10 minutes is a bit of a giveaway.  Edit:  Nevermind, looks like you are shooting for the stars on this one.

Edited by Golfrnut, 28 November 2017 - 11:20 AM.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

View PostGolfrnut, on 28 November 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:


Hint:  the 12 posts in 10 minutes is a bit of a giveaway.  Edit:  Nevermind, looks like you are shooting for the stars on this one.

Actually it's 42 posts in ~30 minutes.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 09:27 AM

Curious if this is true with the 2017 EPIC adjustable hosel.  I have a 9 degree.  When I set the lie adjustment to neutral and adjust the loft from 8, 9, 10, and 11 the face angle does not change when I sole the club.  4 degrees is a significant change that you can see by the eye.  The launch angle and spin do change on the LM as I progressively increase the loft setting from 8 to 11 but unlike other clubs it doesn't hook when I increase the loft. Other clubs when I increase loft the face closes and they hook.

Anyone with knowledge on this specific hosel and why I don't see a face adjustment of 4 degrees when soled?

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 11:19 AM

View Postthepinkbomber, on 20 December 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Curious if this is true with the 2017 EPIC adjustable hosel.  I have a 9 degree.  When I set the lie adjustment to neutral and adjust the loft from 8, 9, 10, and 11 the face angle does not change when I sole the club.  4 degrees is a significant change that you can see by the eye.  The launch angle and spin do change on the LM as I progressively increase the loft setting from 8 to 11 but unlike other clubs it doesn't hook when I increase the loft. Other clubs when I increase loft the face closes and they hook.

Anyone with knowledge on this specific hosel and why I don't see a face adjustment of 4 degrees when soled?

If it's true (havent' had a chance to play around with one), it has nothing to do with the hosel or adapter design.   It would be more a consequence of the sole geometry.   Similar idea to Cobra's 'SmartPad'.

Edited by Stuart G., 28 February 2018 - 04:26 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 10:48 PM

I watched this video great info for sure!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 11:32 PM

Great great video

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 07:47 AM

 Jds13, on 05 February 2018 - 11:32 PM, said:

Great great video


Was it great?!?  Or was it just good enough to get to your 75 post count since you were forum spamming?
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

 Stuart G., on 18 October 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

 Londoner, on 18 October 2017 - 08:53 AM, said:

Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

We are talking about the ability of the player to point the club face in a particular direction and know what direction it's really pointing.

But the key isn't really where it's pointing at set-up.   It only matters where it's pointing at impact and the two are rarely the same.  The only thing that's important is how consistent they are at where it might point at setup.   And there is very little to indicate one method is any more or less consistent then any other.

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 01:33 AM

So when I use my Trackman almost always my face angle is slightly open and my swing direction is open too.

Does it mean based on the titleist hosel chart i should make it more to the left and add loft at the same time since opening the club face already adds loft anyway?

I am only talking about a driver of course...


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:41 AM

Why have I not seen this video before, guess I'm the 1/10000 lol, fantastically explained!

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:08 PM

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:15 PM

View PostMSG Kunert-zero3Putts, on 17 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

it's in the first post of the thread.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:16 PM

View PostStuart G., on 17 April 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

View PostMSG Kunert-zero3Putts, on 17 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

it's in the first post of the thread.

The embedding must be a little porked for some.  I don't see it right now either using chrome.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:48 PM

Not sure what to say - it's showing up fine for me in both Chrome and Firefox.

If you've updated the browser recently, you may also have to update flash.


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