Did anyone else hear him go off on TV when the wind gusted? What a loser. I hope he gets disciplined or fined or both.
Nick Faldo said they might have to turn the mics off at the Tee Box. The sad thing about it was, He was out of the tournament IMO.

Tiger gets most of the attention when it comes to tantrums, but a lot of guys do it, and it's mostly the young guys too. Golf is going to have to be shown on HBO pretty soon. Honestly i used to think these threads were dumb but i've really noticed the players stepping it up a notch in the way of poor behavior. The tour should start punishing them worse than they do

Most other sports will fine players for swearing near cameras/mics, but I don't know why golf doesn't. There's nothing wrong with getting annoyed, but throwing temper tantrums is just ridiculous.

who cares if someone curses. I swear this baffles me to death. Just like the recent snl where they said the f word on tv it made huge news, yet you can flip the channel to CSI or some other show and see dead bodies and blood everywhere. Why is it so unacceptable to swear yet you can show killing and death all over tv. This emoticon is more freaking distrubing to me then someone saying F*CK. .

made me laugh when Graeme Mac Dowell said "great F***ing swing.." to himself when he hit a poor drive at (IIRC) the USPGA....then turned round to see the mic and camera right behind him.

He looked a tad "sheepish" all the same.

It's called civility and is indicative of maturity.

The Funny thing is that Kevin Na has calmed down a ton compared to where he used to be.

... and last place money in the TC was still a nice pay day ...

Excellent point. Much like the fiasco regarding Janet Jackson's nipple showing for a nanosecond during the Superbowl halftime show. Parents were up in arms over the end of Johnny's innocence, yet that same parent thinks of nothing to allowing Johnny to view cartoons that these days, are quite violent in their nature.

By the way, the Tour does indeed hand out fines for audible curse words, they simply aren't in the habit of publicly announcing said fines....therefore it's easy to dismiss it as not happening.

Yes that was brilliant!

Too late, I am afraid. There is very little civility left. And if you do not believe me, just go to your local megalow mart on the weekend.

I am teaching my son to be polite, yes sir, no ma'am, please and thank you, just like my parents did. But sometimes, it seems I am the only one.

It is a big deal when you are a PROFESSIONAL!!!! And for those of you saying it's ok since you see blood and gore on tv, then it is just like your mother said. If everyone is jumping off the bridge, it makes it ok for you too then?

Didn't he cry after he choked to win an event a couple years ago?

...but did he spit?

-mini

i didn't see this incident in question made by the op. But if you want to have one of those moments especially when there is the money involved they are playing and pressure its to be expected to happen now and then? Happens in the tennis now and then as well. I remember one time maybe a year or two ago while watching the golf Colin Montgomery badmouthing slow play and conditions very amusing to watch wasn't bad behavior (like club throwing) just interesting choice of words. To tell you the truth they could just switch the cameras to some one else? All the fines and other business that goes on could be done behind the cameras maybe published some where but not on TV.

Dead bodies and blood everywhere is civil ?

F*ck is a word, it doesnt kill, doesnt make you less of a human being, its not a sign of being maturely challenged, neither a sign of small vocabulary.

He is just mad because I am better than he is. Much better.

And I don't even practice much.

Well, everyone seems to like the fist pumping and celebrations when they do good. I think the emotions that drive the fist pumping also drive the bad language and temper tantrums when they do bad. I don't think you can have one without the other.

I agree on the CSI shows and other TV- people overreact- It's almost as if, "I caught you- you did something wrong and now I have to let the world know that it is outrageous that you said F**K on the air." I'd love to see how many of these people have turned on the Parental Controls on their TV/cable box (yes, mine is on and blocks all shows with an "R" rating or above without a password). They're all hypocrites.

But heck, my kid is taught not to talk like that. But I fully understand he's in a world where people curse- he's heard it all (a lot of it from me!) but he's a good kid- even when he's with his friends, I never hear them try the cursewords. Yes, I know, eventually they will.

If you're someone who argues that golf is boring to watch on TV, and you want to go back to the days of when "gentlemen" played the game, IMO things will get much more boring. Athletes are intense- they curse and throw stuff in defeat, and fist pump and high-five in victory.

I can understand someone swearing. I think everyone does it in all age groups even 2 year olds. I mean it's not classy but I think we live in a society that we can say that so and so we frustrated, it doesn't make him a bad person. But throwing your clubs/breaking your club on the course is a no no for anybody even us. It's disrespectful to the game and to other around you. Someone could get seriously injured. I personally think it should be a 2 stroke penalty or suspension from a tournament. Even in hockey I think when players break their sticks on the post of the goals is out of hand. And they get a game misconduct and they get a 5 min penalty served by a teammate. I don't know I think it's childish and disrespectful.

Don't get me wrong- I agree with you. I'm not passing judgement on whether it is sportsmanlike to throw clubs (I think it is unsportsmanlike). I'm just saying that if you take that intensity away from athletes, you're bound to take away a little competitive edge- and some people think golf needs that intensity and competitive edge in its players to draw TV ratings.

I believe in baseball if you throw your equipment in anger, you are ejected. I could be wrong, but I believe that is the penalty. I agree that in golf, if someone is throwing clubs in anger (and I am excluding the "toss it in disgust" move- I mean really throwing it in anger), kicking their bag, kicking their caddy, giving the gallery the finger, etc.- that should be a 2-stroke unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, move the ball back 15 yards and loss of down...

I was at tour championship on Sunday, and can confirm that Kevin Na is a complete headcase..

Before the round, he was telling stories and hitting trick shots on the range..so I told my friend that he seemed like a sweet dude.. On the course though, he was immediately pissed off... He was +2 through 6 or so...and he hit an approach from 190 or so into the front bunker..

I swear he walked straight from the fairway, full speed into the bunker, and hit..without even stopping..it was hilariouss..

It's not just the word itself. It's the entire act of throwing a fit. Kids look up to these PROFESSIONALS, and in turn think that it's perfectly fine and acceptable to act like an a** when things don't go your way.

im pretty sure in this case it WAS the word itself. if he said "Dang It!" nobody would've even mentioned his fit. I also dont see why so many people get their panties in a bunch when someone curses on TV. we hear people curse all day everyday in our personal lives. its just a word, sheesh. when i was a kid i was always around older guys who cursed a lot. it didnt affect me negatively in any way. i wasn't scarred for life because i heard someone weave a tapestry of obscenity on occassion. they are just words. big whoop

Kevin Na is nothing more than a little cry baby. He curses and throws clubs and pouts anytime something doesn't go his way. You see this attitude more and more from the younger players. It's like they think their god's gift to us and entitled to everything. There is nothing wrong with showing emotion, and plenty of players do. But at least be thankful for being able to leave high school and play golf for the rest of your life and make upwards of a million dollars a year.

OK for ME it's more than just the word. I saw what they were referring too... and while he didn't go all Tin Cup and break all his clubs, he was being a little tool.

I think this comes very very natural to him. Everytime I ever see him on TV if he hasn't staked a shot he looks like he is gonna cry. I can't stand the guy!

A lot of people seem to be assuming that you cannot be an 'intense' competitor or cannot really 'want it' without swearing or throwing clubs. Such behaviour is portrayed as being simply an expression of desire and therefore not only acceptable but to even be encouraged and certainly not criticised. This is of course absolute nonsense - such behaviour just shows a lack of control and has no relation whatsoever to a person's desire. Whilst some may not see swearing at any time in any company to be a problem, it should be obvious that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, otherwise you have anarchy. If that line keeps getting moved then where does it end? It is in the interests of the game for it to be family friendly - no families are going to turn the tv off or stop attending tournaments because there is not enough swearing or club throwing - such behaviour can only be negative, hence such behaviour being fined. Those who think it is perfectly acceptable are presumably in opposition to the fines issued, the stance of the PGA or any censorship? I can understand someone not being personally upset by it - everyone has a line that they draw themselves - but I cannot see how anyone can actually justify it or portray it as in any way desirable.



And the relevance of that is? Or were you perhaps trying to make this about something else?

He cracked me up once when he went in the water long at the 17th at Sawgrass.

He looked at his caddie like the guy just stole his wallet and said something like, *but I took a little off it*




That said, unless you guys are actually better than Kevin Na, as I am (especially my ballstriking), you really have no place criticizing him.

Since when did criticizing someone's behavior have anything to do with their golf game or ours.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. Because I think their level of competition and intensity is so high, that this behaviour is a natural byproduct. I'm sure the majority of players exercise a tremendous amount of self-restraint on every bad shot. But with so much on the line on every shot (the first shot on Thursday is as important as the last shot on Sunday, let's not forget), it is understandable that occasionally someone will lose it during the round. I'm not advocating it- I'm just saying I understand it.

As far as mini's comment, I think you need to better identify a joke when you see it...

When I was little, if somebody said Oscar Gamble stinks, I would say, "he's a better den you".

I could never criticize Oscar Gamble or even Denny Doyle (whom I could not stand for some reason) since they were
better than I was.

But since I am a better golfer than Kevin Na, I can rank on him.

Don't get mad at me, just work on your ballstriking.






(smiley face added to demonstrate sarcasm)

I think THAT is hilarious!!!

I do not tend to get overly upset with myself on a bad shot. I may curse at myself but usually only in my head. Outwardly, I will restrict to words like "dang" or "what a stupid swing". That said, I also fist pump and give a huge "yeah!!" if I sink a birdie putt or save a good par or something.

I do not play this game for a living and I always remember "Golf is Not a Game of Perfect". Everybody and I really mean everybody......hits a bad shot here and there. The great thing is, you now have an opportunity to either recover and salvage the hole or try to make up for it on ensuing holes. A bad shot is an opportunity to hit a cool shot....be it a low punch, high hook or draw. pitch out and try up and down from long range, etc. Maybe it is as severe as a re-hit. Either way, it is another skill to recover.

I guess I should point out that I have become pretty darn good at recovery shots

InTheHole:
I am sure that mini can speak for himself - in fact, I have seen much evidence of it. I really did realise that it was not a legitimate question... I even got the sarcasm that was no doubt intended and it was obviously relating discussion of this to similar discussions. Thanks for pointing out the obvious though.

Hey, no problem! This is a service I provide, free of charge, no less! And in these tough economic times, where else can you get a bargain like that? Although after the second or third time, I will have to charge a small "administrative" fee. I do, after all, have expenses.

I believe none (or at least most) members of this site approve of violence or cursing. The point is if an athlete is unable to respect others, how is he/she able to respect him/herself?
This is NOT the game that was played by Bobby Jones, Arnie or Tom Watson to name a few. Being a gentleman first an foremost is essential to the spirit of the game we all so love.
Just my $0.02

J.R.

what round and hole was it? i have the final round recorded on dvr