Had some weirdness happen at the club this past weekend, and wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it. ( Friday night) "Brad", who has won the Division 2 gross game in the Club Championship the last 4 years sells for $600 in the Calcutta, as close to a sure thing in D2 as there is. (Players have the option to purchase half of themselves before their round begins.) "Brad" comes to the club Sat. morning and finds the guy who had purchased him the previous night, and offers to purchase himself in whole for $600. His offer is refused, being told he can purchase half of himself per club rules. Some odd threats about something weird happening are made, and all go to play golf. Sunday afternoon, "Brad" is on the 18th green with a 2 foot putt to win the gross side of division 2 by like 8 shots, when he suddenly picks up his ball, and W/D's from the Club Championship, completely screwing his owner out of his $600 purchase price and about $2000 for winning D2...

I happen to be of the opinion that this guy needs his teeth knocked out, but I like this club, and would like to stay. Do I need to start a petition to give this guy the boot from the club? This was wrong!

In a situation like that he should have to finish no matter what.

Does this owner know anyone in the mob?

thats ridiculous. someone needs to take that guy behind the woodshed.

The club should ban him from all comp’s and ask him to resign.

This guy has totally dishonoured the club, the game and anyone who players it.
What a child, the good thing is he will never get a game again.

Take a pat on the back for not caving his face in. Shows impressive self control.

Sounds to me like "Brad" is a sandbagger and should be playing Division 1. (Unless your divisions mean nothing regarding skill)

Nothing in the Rules of Golf that says he can't do it. I think Brad showed a lot of spunk there.

are you serious? he screwed a guy out of thousands because he couldnt get his way. that shows spunk?

So by the way, did he end up purchasing himself for half or not?

If he is a lock he still could have won $1000 by betting on himself.
Makes me wonder how people think sometimes....

It's Mjtoal, of course he is serious!

So let's rewind a bit. If the guy had taken up the offer to buy "Brad" then they would both be in contravention of the club rules, correct? Assuming that "Brad" won the competition in good faith (or with a hidden motive in this case) then the pair should be asked to resign their membership. The guy maybe short of $600 now, but at least he has reputation and principles intact - unlike "Brad" - who, of course, should be horse-whipped to within an inch of his life. And then asked to leave the club. Naked.

If Brad wanted himself he should have bought himself in the calcutta. What he did is very chicken shi*!!! He had every opportunity to buy himself and did not. Dont be mad because the guy who bought you would only let you have half. Its not like he told you that he would not sale you any part of the action.

I've played in many Calcutta's, pots up to 50k and I've bid as much as 6k for my team... there's an unwritten rule that says a player has the right to purchase himself back for an agreed upon amount of money so the person that won the auction bid dosen't loose.

The first "wrong" was the guy that won the bid not selling it back to the player. The second "wrong" was how the player handled not being able to buy himself back, by W/D for the Championship. Two wrongs cancel out each other.
You're the third "wrong"; thinking that he should be booted from the club. Makes me wonder if you're the guy that won the bid on his Friday, or best buds with him. I undestand the gamble the bidder took, but it was a gamble that could have turned out the same if the player inadvertently came up sick. However the pie is cut, everyone's actions are wrong. Being this is a gentleman's game, the bidder put a sequent of events into play by not selling the player what he had the right to have.

Money aside, there's a point where any gentleman knows what's right verses what's wrong!

This is a small calcutta, less than 20K. If you want yourself, buy yourself. The rules as they are, state, every player has the right to purchase half of themselvs before play begins( he had the opp. to purchase half of himself, this was offered, but refused by the player). Luckily, I wasn't the poor guy that bought him, nor am I friends with him. I just feel that behavior like this is not in the spirit of things.

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$50K Calcuttas, buying your team for $6K.

Pepperturbo, it's now official: we all want to be you.

Please post the video of you dropping to the floor at the Academy Awards and doing 100 one-handed pushups. Personally, I thought Jack Palance had passed away, but I'm probably wrong about that, based upon the evidence of the last month or so.

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I've played in many Calcutta's, pots up to 50k and I've bid as much as 6k for my team... there's an unwritten rule that says a player has the right to purchase himself back for an agreed upon amount of money so the person that won the auction bid dosen't loose.

The first "wrong" was the guy that won the bid not selling it back to the player. The second "wrong" was how the player handled not being able to buy himself back, by W/D for the Championship. Two wrongs cancel out each other.
You're the third "wrong"; thinking that he should be booted from the club. Makes me wonder if you're the guy that won the bid on his Friday, or best buds with him. I undestand the gamble the bidder took, but it was a gamble that could have turned out the same if the player inadvertently came up sick. However the pie is cut, everyone's actions are wrong. Being this is a gentleman's game, the bidder put a sequent of events into play by not selling the player what he had the right to have.

Money aside, there's a point where any gentleman knows what's right verses what's wrong!
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The player had the right to buy back half, and if im understanding right he could have. I have never heard of a calcutta that the winning bidder is obligated to sell all of the team back to the player if they want it. If he wanted his team all to himself he should have bought it in the first place. He was totally in the wrong, and should be booted imo.

I think the "unwritten rule" is being able to buy back ""half"" your team. Why would you bid up a clacutta if you didnt want at least half of it...Your "unwritten rule" MAKE NO SENSE! I've also been involved in calcuttas for 20+ years and I have NEVER heard of the team NOT showing up for the bidding..and EXPECTING to buy the whole thing the next morning..haha NOT!! Maybe at your club....but not at the others!

Brad sounds like a D-bag and deserves anything anyone decides to send his way!!! He may fit right in at your club..send him over an invite...haha

Brad seems like a baby and the individual that wouldnt let him buy back the 600.00 should have known something could happen. No big surprise. Gambling is gambling and the individual should have let him buy it back because Brad's Attitude depends on your success because he is actually playing for you. The individual should have known better.

I've played in both, buy "all" back or half before play commences. If he refused to buy back half then his behavior was wrong; but I already said it was. Booting him from the club because of how he handled the situation is just as wrong, extreme is the word I'd use. However, sancitioning him from future play in club tournmaments is not an unreasonable consequence.

Since you're not apart of that situation, you want to be sure you have "all" the facts before passing judgment. Sounds to me like there's more tied to the interaction between the bidder and player. but, who knows.

Sounds to me like the winning bidder should get his $600.00 back, his player
withdrew nulifying the bet. (btw, if this isn't in your calcutta rules, it should be)

sounds like brad is a sandbager and a baby.

he prob should be booted from the club or at the least not allowed to play in ANY club events.

I am confident at least "you" don't want to be me... not for the reasons you'd think however. You don't have what it takes. But, I'll give you a anyways because being you is problematic enough.

You're right on two counts, Pepperturbo. First, I don't want to be you. Second, I don't have what it takes to be you -- and that pleases me.

Enjoy your life and lifestyle. Do continue to tell us all about it at every opportunity, in exquisite detail. Just to show us all how real people live. If they have what it takes.

You apparently have a problem with how I post... I can understand; can't please everyone. When I have a problem with someone, I don't pay any attention to their postings.

I thought that in lots of Calcuttas you have to buy half of yourself to prevent tanking?

This is what was kind of going through my mind as I read the various posts. If I understand this correctly, play was held on both Saturday and Sunday. That would have given "Brad" an abundance of opportunity to simply play bad, and not make any money for the buyer. Heck, anyone can have a bad weekend. However, he had to go out and make a point by getting into a position to wipe the field, then withdraws before making the final putt for victory. He was obviously acting like a jerk, in proving his point.

A player's intent is sometimes hard to read, but not in this case. Given the situation, I feel the winning bidder should have gotten his money back, although some people would be upset as this would reduce the overall pot. If I had been on the committee I would have seriously taken a look at this option. However, I would want the vote of the committee to be overwhelming in favor, if not unanimous, given what happened.

Nope, you can buy or not; but local rules prevail. Typically if after assessing the field the player(s) feel a lock on winning or placing, he/they buy what ever is allowed during the auction. The last one I was in we waited until the next morning to buy back because we wanted to see how high the bidding went.

I'm not sure he should be kicked out of the club, but he should definately be banned from future tournaments.

In every calcutta I've played in (and I play in 3 or 4 a year), the team has the "right" to buy half. The auction winner is obligated to sell them half if they want it. However, if the auction winner wants to sell back the entire thing, they can, but they are not obligated to. I've even seen the auction winner sell the entire thing back for more than they paid.

Any way you look at it, that guy is a complete jackass. I'd like to think that if it were my $600, I wouldn't have taken him out to the parking lot........ but I can't say for sure.

In fact, I am unfamiliar with this game, but it seems to me that the guy who refused to sell back the bet, was putting his bet's fate in the hands of the guy he p***ed off, so can hardly be surprised when Brad decides to screw him over.

Anyway, I thought gambling was illegal in a lot of the US?

Either "brad" is just being a jerk, or there is some underlying tension between the two people involved. I have never been part of a calcutta, but with any gambling, nothing is garunteed until the event is over. Like it was said he could have just played poorly the whole time instead of WD'ing on the last hole and the result would have been the same, this was just more deliberate.

I cant be for certain on what types of gambling are allowed or not allowed here in the US, maybe this is some kind of sanction or a fundraiser for something good I would like to think.

that is great!

I agree 100%.

I'd prevent the guy from participating in the future for unsportsmanlike conduct. JMO

I am doughball,

Can you address the point I and uvm have made about whether or not "brad" is a sandbagger? I think it will shed some light on "brad's" character.

Is this tourney played in divisions which correspond to skill, i.e. different "flights"? If so, it says a great deal about "brad."

What kind of guy plays a flight below his level just so he can always win? What kind of club, or group of players choose not to call him out on this?

He seems like a total weasel.

Total sandbagger, but so are half of the other guys in that division.

so what happend? was he allowed to WD without any punshimnet, or harsh words from other club members.

i know that this would not fly in my clubs calcutta and the sandbagger would probally be asked to take some sort of leave of absibsce. from the club if not getting the boot entirley.

I agree that it appears Brad is a D-BAG and sandbagger, but I really have to believe there are some underlying issues between these two guys for him to do that. As it was said......he still had the chance to make $700 for himself. Why would you screw yourself out of that if you didn't really want to stick it to someone else. The whole situation sounds messed up to me and there needs to be something put in place to keep this from happening again.

Sandbagging is so lame. It's akin to cheating. And if you're putting money on the line, IT IS CHEATING.

With the blatant sandbagging the whole thing just appears to be a farce. Still, if the club has any balls they'd kick the guy out. At the very least there would be one less sandbagger.

I didn't realize he was a sandbagger. If that is the case, he's worthless and a cheater, so shame on him.

At the same time, shame on the members of your club and the head pro. While I don't have respect for "Brad", I also lack respect that those in control don't do anything about it.

He should be kicked out of the club, but the head pro should be questioned about his ability to run his golf course.

So "Brad" made "some odd threats about something weird happening", then he proceeds to W/D when he's got an 8-stroke lead on the final hole? D-bag all the way, and sounds like a HUGE sand bagger if he is leading by 8 strokes in a 2-day GROSS event.

What did he shoot - gross - the first day and what is his handicap? What would he have shot on day two if he holed the 2 footer?

IMO the handicap committee should step in and do something. They might not be able to do something about the Calcutta, but they sure as hell can do something about his handicap and the flight in which he plays. I'm guessing "Brad" wouldn't be so pissed about the situation if he were playing against guys of equal ability and had a lesser chance of wiping the field. Heck, he probably wouldn't even buy himself in the Calcutta if he knew he was playing in the proper flight.

Kevin

Total sandbagger, and a moron!! Like some have said he could have had half which was a grand and shop money, which he could have used up and then pawned off the stuff in the BST (but he's probably not a member here because he is too busy being a butt pirate)

"Brad" should've made his purchaser "an offer he couldn't refuse" in regards to his Calcutta purchase. Either way, that was a total d**k move on his part and teh club should force him to apologize for what he did.

That was a risk that the guy who bought him took upon himself. When you bet a Calcutta, you take on the risk that your player will break a rib or drink too much..or too little..the night before or between rounds, or will get beat up by the husband of the chick he was flirting with, or any number of contingencies. Betting is, by its nature, a risky proposition.

That said...I'm big on honor and respecting the game.

When you enter a tournament that has a Calcutta, especially at your own club, I think you are holding yourself out there as a competitor....not a weasel. But, unless there are rules against being a weasel, there aren't any rules in Golf about being a weasel necessarily. Take John Daly for example. Think about how the guy who dropped a few pounds on him feels when he bats his ball around on the green and walks off the course.

I think that the key is that the rule allows you to buy 1/2 yourself before the auction. If you don't get it in by then, you're out of luck.

But, neither of them were very smart about it. The guy that bought him probably could have worked it out on the side, or by making a quick return, then turning the bet around and taking advantage of the fact that the guy was so positive on himself. That's the kind of inside info that you ought to be able to make the spread on.

If I were the membership chair/czar, I'd run him out of my club in a minute, just because he's a spoilsport.

You guys are being too hard on Pepperturbo. It takes all types, and I'm not even saying he's a type... There are clubs out there that have $50K calcuttas. I've met guys that could pay way more than $6K for a team. I can't. What does it matter? If it adds to the conversation, can't we just take it for what it's worth and keep on truckin'? He's got his life, I've got mine, you've got yours. We all can share.

Doughball,

Who bought the guy that won? Please tell me it wasn't your boy "Brad" who bought him. A conspiracy theorist might think "Brad" had some arrangement with the eventual winner and that he threw the tournament not only to screw the guy who bought him, but to make some money.

Kevin

Holy S@#t!!!

Net Player's Name Score Amount Purchaser Amount

1st Steve XXXXXXX 132 $400.00 Brad XXXXXX $1,427.50

T-2nd Adam XXXXXXXX 135 $275.00 Ron XXXXXX $713.75

T-2nd Ed XXXXX 135 $275.00 Curtis XXXXXX $713.75

The names have been changed to protect the innocent. However, the guy who "owened" "Brad" also "owned" the winner of the gross winner in D2.

So "Brad" owned the net winner and made a little over a grand? Hmmm....

I agree. His calcutta does sound large for a club championship, but I've never heard of one for a club championship, so I have nothing to measure it against. I've heard of member-guests pots where you could add a zero to the number above, but that's not to say I've played for that kind of cash. $50-100k is pretty typical around here and that's not necessarily at what you'd consider a "rich man's" club. Some places just attract gamblers.

That is why some calcuttas make you own half of your own team - half goes to auction - so that you won't crap out as a player to cash in as an owner.