QUOTE (migolfke @ May 31 2009, 11:13 AM)

Red is a good/ tough track. You can cross of one of those par 4s though because the 1st is playing as a pitch and putt. Also, 18 is playing the same. There is one other, I think 5 a par 5 that is playing as a par 4.
There definitely are some long par 4s, expecially on the back. Have fun!
Correct. The first hole is playing about 95 yards straight uphill, the 5th is playing as a short par 4 (I hit 4-iron through the fairway and had less than 100 yards in) and the 18th is playing around 130 yards.
I think the Red is a very good golf course with some very tough par 4's. The biggest difference between the Red and the Black is that there are virtually no holes on the Black that you can run a shot up (1, 7 and 16 are the only that come to mind) while you can on most of the holes on the Red. I am looking forward to playing the course as it should play after the Open.
Frankly I think the Red is a very underrated track and should be in the Top 100 you can play (I think it's better than the Irish Course at Whistling Straits personally).