I joined a club this year and all but the club championships are handicapped. I started the year as a 1.9 but don't really have a chance to complete because they do a handicapped best ball 2-3 man teams. The winning scores are 12 under or so. Being that I get 1 a side I have no chance whatsoever. I hate this..it would be better to flight it then no handicap. So to combat this I have decided to not play as good and post higher scores on my off days. Even the couples club championship is handicapped...WTF. I feel like I need to get my handicap up to a 6 to be fair in these....

You should always post your "off days" scores as well. That whats wrong with most handicaps systems at private clubs...the members ALWAYS fudge their handicap.

Handicaps are the worst thing that happens to a golf club, most players have no incentive to improve. BUT, to me you don't want to go down the road of manipulating your handicap. Don't fall to the level of those who pad their handicap to win 10 bucks a week.

So if and when you win something at your club, how do you think you will feel looking your fellow members in the eye knowing you are a sandbagger. Do you have any self respect?
We have some sandbaggers at my club and everyone knows who they are and no one will play with them anymore. Is this really the path you want to take?
Recommend you get on the competition committee and get some of the formats changed.

Oh please I'll trade my 14 for your 1.9 any day, any time. I put all my rounds in and then I only get 90% of my cap, wtf is that. The % reduction doesn't begin to take effect essentially till your 5 or more because of rounding. Then you don't have to play from the tips making it even easier in club events. Don't have a chance......you're kidding right?

"No incentive to improve" that's BS. Who cares about any tx that's handicapped or any minor little bet on weekends.....I want to play better and I'm working hard at it.

just to be clear..I have never lied about any scores..I won't cheat either..I'm just getting a lot of rounds in quickly...trying to hit a number or different shots into greens that I wouldn't do if gambling or in a tourney. So I'm not sandbagging just working on my game and my scores are a little higher...Is that cheating???

I agree. I am so tired of playing in medal / IPS comps, playing to HC or better (35 - 38 points IPS) and not even being close to being within the top 25. Seen some guys at my club playing of 18 - 24 HC and coming in on 79 gross. Ave winning IPS score is useally around 42 points. The Handicap system in the UK is so flaud, you only need about 3 - 5 score cards to get a handicap and only comp scores are entered for HC - no casual play scores.

When I was still living in South Africa we had to enter at least 10 score cards before our handicaps were calculated. Most golf clubs are linked via computer smart card systems. So every time you play a round your card gets swiped and it register that you are playing. It then forces you to enter a score after the round or else a course par is entered (if you don't enter a score within 3 days). The system also keeps your last 12 rounds played and uses the best 8 to calculate your HC every month. If you play at another course they can also see your playing history i.e. last 12 rounds played, current HC and projected HC for new month.

I understand (and share) your frustration about handicaps and your situation at your club. I don't think you're going to get it changed within your lifetime, so maybe another tack is needed? You might want to consider your club rounds as practice and your truly competitive rounds are played at local and state amateur events outside of your club?

No ... it is certainly not cheating (but I think people probably assumed something else). So long as a round is played according to the Rules of Golf, it is a legitimate round - but (IMO) not necessarily honorable.

Golf has always run on an honor system. Yes, if you simply lie on your scorecard, you're cheating. However, there are obviously things you can do that are not (officially) cheating, but still constitute dishonorable sandbagging. You can play an entire round (for instance) that is perfectly legal in terms of the rules, ... but where you also purposely miss several putts to card a higher score.

I think if your intention is to practice your game during some rounds ... i.e., try lower percentage shots that you might not try during a tourney ... that's legit. If, however, your genuine intention is to purposely raise your handicap by trying impossible shots, or delibrately trying to miss putts (etc., etc.) ... well, that might be legal, but is not the spirit of golf.

I've been playing for a long time, and it is (unfortunately) true that I've seen less and less honor in the game. The traditions are dissolving. But with those tradtions (I think) some of the pleasure is disappearing. The buzz of winning a tournament would be considerably reduced if a person knows they won it by playing to a sandbagged handicap.

Golfing ability varies very widely ... but it has also always been a social game. It is the only sport that makes several adjustments precisely for the purpose of letting players of varying ability still enjoy the game together. (At tennis clubs, for instance, most good players simply have to play with other good players to have any fun ... there's no handicaps, or courts adjustment so that one player has less space to cover). In golf, we have the different tees, and the handicap system ... created precisely so that average (or worse) golfers can still enjoy a competitive afternoon with good golfers. Purposely using the handicap system to achieve a goal that is diametrically opposed to what the system was created for ... well .. that's just wrong.

A lot of people do it these days ... but (IMO) it is better to lose club tourneys than it is to lose your own integrity.

Its funny some players have 12 handicaps and shoot a 79...I would have to shoot a 65 to have a chance...not possible. I'm not going to change the rules at a club. So I may lay up quite a bit so I can try to hit a 15 yard cut or draw from 200 yards away. I know this will help my game in the long run..or I may try the miracle shot versus the safe shot and will be penalized more when I don't pull it off. I don't consider this cheating because I always post my actual score..but I just don't play like I would in a tournament. Is that cheating?? I don't think so.

I'm just getting a lot of rounds in quickly...trying to hit a number or different shots into greens that I wouldn't do if gambling or in a tourney. So I'm not sandbagging just working on my game and my scores are a little higher...Is that cheating???
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Well, technically you are required by the USGA to post all of your rounds regardless if you are trying shots that you wouldn’t normally. I wouldn’t necessarily say that you are cheating if you don’t but you are WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS to post a score that might be higher than if you were really just trying to go low.

another question to ponder..if you play at a very hard club then you play elsewhere at a much easier club but the slope is similar...do you have to post the away score (I know you should...but do you have to because its an away course thats much easier)

First off every round you play by the rules of golf should be entered for handicap!!!
If you are going out with the mindset of practicing shots and not trying to score and you enter that score yes you are sandbagging. nothing makes me more upset then members coming in complaining about how their handicap is to low but they only hand in there lowest scores. and then club championship time comes and they shoot in the 80's. not saying you are one of these just you got on a topic that annoys me alot.
rant over.

now as for your problem. as a 2 handicap in a better ball situation you should be an A player and be paired with a higher handicap player as well. in a well run better ball tournament you should never be giving up more then 2 or 3 shots to any other A player.

also side note handicaps are a not an average score it is attested to your ability to score which people often think that it is what they "average"

there are not many low handicappers at my club...maybe 3-4 under a 6. Most players are 8-20. They try to put one A, B, and C player together..but since there are so few A players...its mostly B and C players...so I have to give up anywhere from 8-10 strokes to them.

BTW, I know how a handicap is made, its based on the top 10 of 20 scores then averaged and multiplied by a number (just less than 1) . I realize its based on potential but you should be able to shoot within 1-2 strokes of your handicap 75% of your time...unless your having a slump or can't handle pressure

ok now i can see your complant better now being a 2 and having to give 8 shots to another.

As a scratch i know it is hard to give everyone in the world shots (figure of speech not actually giving shots to everyone haha) and it is more likely for a 13 handicap to shot a 79 then it is for a 2 handicap to should a 68. but over the course of the year if you played a 12 handicap everytime out you would beat him 2 out of 3 times so the system isnt all that bad.

I agree, in a heads up match its fine..but the trouble is when they become a 3-4 man team best ball and you are not getting any strokes...you have no chance whatsoever. You actually hinder your own team because you can't really help them. Sorry to gripe.....

As per USGA guidelines you have to post your scores unless A. You play less than 13 holes. B. If you play in a competition that limits the number of clubs used. C. Play and 18 hole course less than 3000 yds. D. When a majority of hole aren't played under USGA rules. E. The course you are playing is in an "Inactive Season". These are the only times when you do not post your scores.

Sandbagging is an epidemic. It will always go on because there are always going to be people who would rather win a $2 Nassau than be honest. With that said, I think there is a difference between sandbagging and forgetting to post a score every now and then. Imo, a sandbagger is someone who does not post scores or posts higher scores with the intent of manipulating there handicap. Now im not advocating not posting scores but I think there is a difference between a 10 hcp who forgets to post an 82 and a 10 who doesn’t post a 73 because it will lower his hcp.

When I belonged to a club, most every event had a flight for gross and net scores. The low gross was always the top prize.

See if you can institute something similar at your club. It will bring out more low HC players in the tournament.

I think thats a great idea..My concern is that there are very few low handicaps out there..so a lot of the members would complain about it. From my point of view, if I played and lost to a better player...it would motivate me to get better so I could beat him. I think a gross and a net would be the perfect solution. In golf, we shouldn't be penalized for getting better. We have paid our dues and have hit countless balls, chips, and putts to get where we are at. I have been on the other side of things...it takes hard work and time.

Volunteer for the competition committee and work it from the inside. You have to play it politically, can't just barge in as the new guy and demand change. But change comes from new people with new ideas. Lobby the other members one by one and get them to see things from your point of view. Most of the clubs I've played in have gross and net games. If you can shoot the low gross and win the club championship, that would have to be far more satisfying than winning some net team best ball.

For sure, declaring an intention to inflate your handicap is the wrong way to approach it.

Skill over handicap any day of the week.

While I think I understand where this is coming from, from a mid-capper's perspective I love to have a near-scratch A player on my team in a best ball competition. Surely if you're a 1.9 you're capable of making some birdies and tough pars and contributing to the team's success. No, you're not the guy making 5 for net 3, but if you make a routine par on the par 3s where your teammates aren't getting a stroke you *are* helping.

Any format is going to be imperfect. Is an 8 or 12 cap going to want to play you straight up gross? Probably not any more than you want to play team best ball with strokes. You're not always going to win. You're not always going to be competitive - especially in a team game. But won't you feel better if you're always trying to play your best?

I think the advice about trying to tweak the events and working from the inside is spot on. Low gross/low net. See if you can have some individual stroke play events flighted by handicap and played gross. We have a match play event where one bracket is gross, one is handicapped. Shoot for more choices rather than trying to force us hacks to play your game and everybody will have more fun.

I was playing in our club championship a couple years back and it was a two day event flighted after the 1st day so that people were paired with those in the same scoring category in day two. It was a handicapped based scoring and I was shooting at an 8 hdcp at the time. Well day two comes and I am paired with a 11 year old kid! Why you ask? Because I had shot pretty well on day 1 and the apparently the kid shot OK (somewhere in the high 90's or low 100's) and had a 40-50 handicap! No joke! I was a little irritated to say the least.
They should have had a flight for children because there was quite a few of them (4 to 5 I believe)
I haven't been a member since that ordeal, and from what I hear they still do that same stuff to this day.

Um......I don't understand what you're complaining about - because the majority of tournaments, club or otherwise, are aimed at the majority of golfers (i.e. lesser-skilled players, those that have higher handicaps). Without the higher-cappers there would be NO tournaments!!!

And now you're considering SANDBAGGING ??????

What motivates a higher handicap to get better? Sick of losing... I haven't cheated nor can I be accused of it. I think net and gross scores is the only answer.

Another crappy way to run a golf tournament...especially a club championship. So STATE!!! I don't blame you for not going back..you in lansing?

Yes sir, from a small town but now live in the Lansing area.

To an extent you have when you said - "I know this will help my game in the long run..or I may try the miracle shot versus the safe shot and will be penalized more when I don't pull it off. I don't consider this cheating because I always post my actual score..but I just don't play like I would in a tournament. Is that cheating?? I don't think so."

The whole concept of having a handicap is that it allows a lesser player to compete head-to-head with better players. Would you think it fair if you had to play "gross" against Tiger???


As I suggested earlier - keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of "club" tournaments are aimed at the overwhelming majority of golfers (not you). And thus you find yourself in a very small group of said membership, and having tournaments aimed toward your idea of what you would like would leave you with very few of your fellow members showing up.

Honestly, what you're proposing is what USED to be done back in the good old days - but then again back in those days the only tourney used to be the annual club championships, a tourney won by the better golfer(s) at clubs. The "other" tournaments were designed (and have become vogue) with the other lesser-skilled players in mind, because they NEVER (then or now) have a chance competing against better players head-to-head.

How do you think someone like myself feels. As a 50-something year old 6-'cap I don't stand a chance against the young bucks with the flat bellies and strong backs, yet I get my clock cleaned in the handicap events too because I get next to nothing and give up a shot a hole to some of my hack buddies.


Just the way it is.....

All rounds played under the rules of golf must be posted.
I know that you've heard this over and over.
But, if you are truly working on shots you would not normally play, in an effort to improve
your game...then do that. Drop extra balls, change your lie (you don't have to improve it)...
try anything and everything, if it is an effort to improve. Decide you are going to do this
BEFORE you tee off on your first hole. This is now PRACTICE, on a course.
This is NOT a score that gets posted. You cannot change your mind...if you decide to play the first
straight, just to get out of sight of the clubhouse before dropping balls, and you eagle the 1st.
It's a PRACTICE session, not a round of golf. Same thing goes for declaring a practice session
when in the middle of a garbage round...nope, too late...it's a post-able round.
Some may disagree, but I just don't think every time you're on a golf course has to be
for a *stipulated round of golf*.

If you do what it seems to me you are doing, just trying to execute low percentage shots
during your round...that's golf. That's dumb golf. That's MY game. (but I do it in tourneys, too )
But those scores count, and those scores WILL be higher than your norm.
Those rounds will properly label you a sandbagger.

You could have a scratch tournament and have 3 people play in it. When you join a club, you have to expect a lot of handicap tournaments because that is what increases participation.

In my opinion, sandbagging has become so rampant over the past 10 years, that it is placing serious jeopardy to the whole system.
For the most part, I refuse to play club competions anymore because of the net prize structure. It has encouraged the worst in people to emerge, and tournament entries are down at most clubs I know of.
The crux of the matter (imo) is that regular or routine scores are no longer entered by a "committee" from signed scorecards. Therefore there is no verification of who is scoring what because people enter their own scores into a computer.
Then again, a club handicap committee without a spine is the best enabler.
It is really crappy to enter a dozen competions a year for a dozen years, shoot within 1 or 2 shots of handicap, (over or under), and lose everyone of them by anywhere from 6 to 12 shots each time.
12 and 14 handicappers can not consistently shoot net 62 - 66. The USGA handicap committee has recognized this and has produced a paper on the odds of people with a legitimate handicap shooting 1, 2, 3, or 4 strokes under. At 4, odds are better of winning a lottery.

So now, for the most part, ( the odd team play competion excepted) I just play golf for excersise and the pleasure of being out in nature. It makes me

Welcome to "club golf". At the club I left, our club championship was handicapped. Yeah...a 'capped club championship. Maybe it's because the owner is something like a mid-teen capper that shoots in the 70s? Things that make ya go, "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm".

-mini

The problem is that clubs have resorted to using handicaps to figure out who wins tourneIsn't the handicap system set up so that you don't (or shouldn't) beat your handicap XX percentage of the time? If that's the case, there should be a fairly substantial penalty for shooting, say, more than 2-

Holy crap fellas,

I don't know if any of you have read my post "USGA Handicap coming soon to Australia" but you are scaring me, this sounds like it will ruin the integrity of club competitions. I'm starting to feel a little militant about taking on this sytem.

highegr0und - not really fair have you ever heard of a breakthrough round from sheer hard work, practice, determination to improve & instruction?

I had a legit nett 63 (81 gross off a 18hcp) 2 weeks ago in monthly medal - you think I should be penalised? In some folks eyes I have been I'm now down to a 15 - but that makes me

I understand where you're coming from - been a low hdcper for 16+ years . It's a NET WORLD. What to do to get low hdcpers to play in NET events:

1. Ask the Club to have an optional ($10 or $20 per player) gross skin game for every event where you are playing your own ball. Many of the better players will get in and it gives you something to play for. Cash pay-out BTW.
2. Ask for par 3 proximities prizes on those holes to be included in the event payout. Better players like those.
3. Ask that 'T' scores are posted for Tournaments. This will help to punish the baggers.
4. Ask that the events use USGA recommended Handicap allowances where applicable. This will give better players a chance.
5. Ask that more events be flighted by handicap. This works good especially in a 2-man best ball format (Four-ball).
6. Pay individual low gross and low net - even in team events. That way you are rewarded even if your teammates play poorly.

Most of these things won't happen unless you have a few low hdcpers on your Board and/or a good Pro.

Good Luck

Noddy...ONE round is not a problem, and will not be penalized (unless your handicap committee
is totally out of control - not a USGA handicap system issue). If your tournament scores
trend *substantially* lower than your non-tournament (social) scores...you will
be penalized.

Do not fear a career round.

The system does understand improvement, as well
as a player on a *hot* streak. This is actually an advantage to the USGA type system...
if you are playing exceptionally well, you will have low social scores during the streak,
as well. (Personal experience...I've gone through the streak myself...in and out of
tournaments. The non-tournament low scores showed I was merely on a hot streak,
not sandbagging tournaments...no penalty.)

Day in and day out, it seems like the 12-14 handicappers always seem to win most casual rounds. They also win 'net' tournaments usually with their 'best' round in months, that seem to appear out of nowhere. The system is flawed, because there is no verification of scores posted, and there is a pervasive mentality among more and more golfers- to keep their handicap up to try and stay competitive with all the other sandbaggers! Sad. I suggest the answer is a club taking on a little work, and insisting that members turn in signed scorecards for the assistant pros to enter into the computer system, with lowered handicap penalties for not turning in a score card at the end of a round. Scores for tournaments vs. official handicaps should be posted prominently for every club member, for all to see, on a monthly basis, with the person at the top of the list being the guy that has the widest disparity between his posted handicap and his tournament scores. The list could also indicate prize money won, flight classification, and number of wins. Over time the 'list' would therefore easily reflect in descending order, the biggest sandbagger in the club on down the list to the guy with the lowest 'vanity' handicap with the worst tournament scores. It would make for interesting conversation and a bit of peer pressure on baggers as well as vanity cappers. Extreme low-lifes could be interviewed by a tournament committee, and given the chance to explain themselves.

I agree that handicaps really ruin any tournament because everyone keeps their handicaps differently. Some put all scores all the time - and try to score their best every round. Others practice on the course. Others only put in tournament scores. Some people only play one course ever and know every break of every green while others play a different course every week. It's an imperfect system.

There's also a lot of misconception about how low someone should shoot based on their handicap. The comment earlier about being within 1-2 shots of your handicap 75% of the time is really not accurate. My handicap right now is 5.8 and the average of my last 20 rounds is 80.2. I shot +8 or better only 8 times out the last 20. I shot +6 ("my handicap) only 6 out of those 20.

The best solution is just to not play anything you feel competitive about that uses handicaps.

I feel the pain here.

My last three rounds were played against:
A 16 handicap who shot 80, and didn't miss a put inside 20 feet
A 30 handicap who went out with 4 pars and a birdie, closed me out, then tripled the next 3 holes
A 36 handicap who beat me 4 & 3 with the "round of his life"

Maybe there is something wrong with me. My scores do not deviate by much, so I don't go out and shoot 73 one day and 96 the next. I shoot within about a 5 stroke range 3/4 of my rounds, and if I do something miraculous on one hole, I tend to go back to normal play. I don't drain seven 18-footers in a row, and claim I have never made a put before in my life!

It blows my mind though when a high handicapper consistently pulls off difficult shots. Especially when their short game is totally money. I thought Pelz did a study on how close a 15 handicap should be able to chip it on average. The number was not 3 feet!

I mean, isn't 90% of being a low handicapper having a good short game and 90% of being a high handicapper is having a bad short game?

What are the odds of the last three guys I played against having their best-ever?

Simple. Play in NET tournaments for fun, play in gross tournies to win.

I'm in that mid low range (4-5 index) where I get beat up no matter where I play!

I suspect your club does have some scratch events or at least "scratch divisions" within an event.

That's what the guys do at my club. I joined my boss for an 11 man $25 a pop stableford/nassua deal. This jackass shot a 76 off 12.

Besides the flat out cheaters I also don't think it's set up very well anyway. They'll only enter a score if another member signs your card. So far I have only one score posted in a month and have played over 20 rounds. Just never played a full 18 with someone to sign it, so the club won't accept it. Looks like I'll have to play them for $$ again. The computer says my cap is an 18 and haven't shot over 85 in the last 15-16 rounds.

I stand corrected. I just looked up my name on the USGA site and they have it correctly at a 9.

What I notice often is "scratch" or "plus" handicaps who by the 6th tee box declare 4 out of 5 rounds a "practice round".
If this type player actually putted every ball out, and posted every single round he played, then his handicap would be a true 6 to 8 index. But that doesn't sound as good as "+1" or "0" or "1.4", so the player only posts his lowest scoring rounds and calls the other days "practice rounds". I see this type of bragging handicap more frequently than I see a sandbagging betting handicap.

From the USGA Handicap manual:

(Emphasis added is mine)

Here's the definition of peer review in the Handicap manual:

(Emphasis added is mine)

So the idea behind the USGA handicap system is that you play to shoot your best scores, always, post all acceptable scores, and you play with other golfers who will verify that you are posting your scores and that the scores are correct.

It's a noble idea, aside from the fact that it is a bit contradictory (an acceptable score does not include the concept of playing to shoot the best score )

As I understand it, in the UK you can only get an official handicap by playing in certain tournaments. While this probably enhances the accuracy of the handicaps it also makes it much harder to acquire a handicap. At some point it is a tradeoff - more accurate handicaps or more golfers with handicaps.

tesla (go back seven posts) has the right idea:


While this hard to do in practice, it is probably the best way to get a club's members' handicaps accurate.

I think the issues with handicaps (or the equivalent thereof) are common in other sports too. For example, in the game of chess it is possible to acquire an official rating that measures how good of a player you are. The higher the rating, the better the player. Most tournaments are organized into sections based on ratings. So bad players play against bad players and good players play against good players. Each section will have its own winner. There are players who will purposely lose games so as to lower their rating so that they can play in a weaker section in the tournament and thereby increase their chances of winning prize money.

How does this stuff happen? I feel like I see it all the time. That 76 has to be outside of 2 standard deviations.
My guess is that there are some sandbaggers, but then there are some guys who underrate themselves all the time in life. Add those two groups together and you get 30% - 50% of people.

I hate losing to guy who underrates himself, because it is all a big accident. It's like "aw shucks, I keep making pars today." No harm, but part of competing is being honest with yourself.

However, the sandbaggers make me really angry. Like red in the face angry. If you want to compete and get strokes, be a man and respect the hard work that went into the lower handicapper's game. I am very sheepish when I get strokes, because that guy is flat out better than I am. I used to think that old guys were the worst about sandbagging, but I see it all the time now.

I think I would have a hard time with a boss of mine shooting a 76 off a 12. The work stuff is touchy.

I'm a minus 8 handicap established from the regular men's tees. I played in a club member's tournament last year against a young guy who got strokes on every hole including all the par threes. He was long, hit solid shots, good short game, and I had yet to see him truly miss a shot, as high handicappers do- frequently. After 12 holes, I told him "You are an excellent player- you haven't missed a shot all day, man." He didn't say much, even acted a bit arrogant. He didn't even react like he was playing particularly well that day. By his and his partner's reactions to his shots, I could tell his shot-making was not that unusual for him.

By the end, he and his 4 handicap partner had easily beaten my partner and I in best ball, match play, and we played very well. This high handicap guy was at least as good a golfer as I am, and ended up missing far fewer shots than I did. He played from the regular men's tees, but his 4 handicap partner played from the tips. I knew one of the guys that he normally plays with, and I knew that his group is adamant about always playing from the back tees. About half way through the match, I told him, "Your buddies must give you hell for playing from the regular men's tees, eh? He says, "Oh, I play back from the tips with them- not that much difference- maybe two strokes- I play about the same regardless of the tee." At that point, I realized that he was not only a blatant sandbagger, but his high handicap was primarily acquired from the back tees, and he was playing the blue tees against us- in violation of the rules to gain an advantage- even while his partner played from the tips!

After we lost, I went and checked the club's handicap computer to see what kind of scores he had posted for handicap determination. Even though he plays regularly, he had posted only about 12 rounds over the last year and a half, all from the back tees, and over the last 20 rounds, he had posted 3 or 4 rounds ranging from an unbelievable 100 to 120! With his own ball, he broke 80 in our tournament round! All of his extra strokes in our round were accumulated when his partner had the hole well in hand, if you know what I mean.

Here is the making of this cheat: 1) Rarely posts his scores, 2) Grossly pads the high scores he posts, 3) Never, ever posts his low scores, 4) Likely, totally ignores equitable stroke limits on holes, 5) Plays from the wrong set of tees in tournaments, shorter than the tees used to establish his handicap, to gain an unfair advantage. 6) In best ball, purposely knocks the ball around for a few extra strokes around the greens, when his partner has the hole well in hand. 7) Has a complicit partner who wants to win at all costs.

To top it all off- the next week, he walks up next to me on the driving range, and he tells me that he can't wait to play us again in a rematch sometime. Then he proceeds to hit 10 perfect half sand wedge shots, and then casually hits 10 shots in a row with consistent trajectory on to a distant range green with a 6 iron. I tell him, "I'm still waiting for you to miss a shot, dude." He laughed, and then ten minutes later, he says, "Well there it was- I missed one!" Ha, ha.

The moral of the story- play with your friends, people you know, that you can trust, and who you enjoy spending the time with, which by the way is mostly what I do, rarely playing tournaments because of the cheating that goes on, both from club members, and out of towners. The game deserves better, and obviously I need a beer...

Quite a story. I think the guy knew exactly what he was doing.

One comment though regarding your list of cheats:



#5 shouldn't concern you too much. The slope and course rating are designed to deal with the difference in difficulty between the tees. In theory, a golfer who plays exclusively from the back tees and acquires a certain handicap index would maintain that same index even if he switched and played exclusively from the middle tees. Obviously, the ratings aren't perfect and a golfer's skill set is usually more suitable for a particular set of tees. So, you do get some change in the index by changing tee boxes, but I don't think the change would be more than a couple strokes.



Aesop couldn't have said it better.

i work at a country club as a caddie and the handicap tourneys are really starting to get to me and i dont even play in them! lol

im a junior golfer who has just under a 3 handicap and have played in a ton of tournaments. Handicaps are the worst thing that happened in golf. To me the best player should win the tournament and a 18 handicap isnt the best person in the tournament. It irks me when before they even tee off the members ask "so how many strokes we get"? i played with a adult last summer and he wanted to play against me. He asked "how many strokes you gonna give me"? i said none! if you really want to play against me and see if you can beat me im not giving you any strokes. you cant say you won some tournament when you get 18 strokes taken off your card

handicap tournaments are a joke. The members dont feel obligated to get better.

JMHO
kyle