I'm going through Monterey on a visit back home to CA.
I'm going to drop by Bayonet and Blackhorse as they're $75/round instead of the $200+ for the other places in Monterey.
As I'm bringing the missus and we're only in Monterey for 1.5 days, I won't be able to get away with 36 holes.
Which would of the two would you choose to play Bayonet or Blackhorse?
(Other recommendations welcome as well, but I've been meaning to get a round in at Bayonet/Blackhorse for about 10 years but usually ended up playing somewhere else.)
Full Version: Bayonet or Blackhorse
Play Blackhorse I believe its the better layout of the 2 courses. Probably the one that has a little more scenic look to it, played Bayonet a few times, its not that impressive when compared to Blackhorse.
Never played Blackhorse but I think both courses have been redone. All I can tell you is that Bayonet from the tips is a very difficult course. When they played a Nationwide Tour event there the winning score was somewhere around 6-9 under. That should tell you something.
I definitely prefer bayonet to blackhorse......before the remodel bayonet would always be fully booked and blackhorse would be available all day !!!! Im not sure how the remodeled bayonet looks but i did play 9 holes of the remodeled bayonet......Ill put my vote for bayonet !
The course you want to play, between those 2 is the Bayonet, not the BlackHorse. Trust me.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
QUOTE (sharkiesj @ Mar 23 2009, 10:53 PM) 
The course you want to play, between those 2 is the Bayonet, not the BlackHorse. Trust me.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
Pasatiempo would be great, but for $220 it's a bit pricey, and as I'll be going out as a single I'd rather wait till I could play it with some friends. Some friends in high school played it and thought it was the best around the area (I grew up in Livermore). Same with Spy and Pebble, although my friends that have played Pebble didn't really enjoy the 6 hour round.
I may take a look at Pacific Grove if I get another day, but Bayonet/Blackhorse probably give me a better test of golf. (Used to play off 2 hdcp, now more like a 5)
Has anyone played both courses after they reopened? From the website it sounds like most of the renovations were to the clubhouse.
Bayonet gets my vote. A great test.
I agree with Pacific Grove too. The condition is not that great, but the views are amazing.
I agree with Pacific Grove too. The condition is not that great, but the views are amazing.
+1 Bayonet loved the course
Bayonet...
Have to agree with the above posters on Pacific Grove. I don't think Bayonet or Black Horse are that memorable/remarkable. On the other hand, you will certainly remeber the back nine at Pacific Grove for a very long time.
QUOTE (ceyoung @ Mar 23 2009, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (sharkiesj @ Mar 23 2009, 10:53 PM)
The course you want to play, between those 2 is the Bayonet, not the BlackHorse. Trust me.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
Pasatiempo would be great, but for $220 it's a bit pricey, and as I'll be going out as a single I'd rather wait till I could play it with some friends. Some friends in high school played it and thought it was the best around the area (I grew up in Livermore). Same with Spy and Pebble, although my friends that have played Pebble didn't really enjoy the 6 hour round.
I may take a look at Pacific Grove if I get another day, but Bayonet/Blackhorse probably give me a better test of golf. (Used to play off 2 hdcp, now more like a 5)
Has anyone played both courses after they reopened? From the website it sounds like most of the renovations were to the clubhouse.
ceyoung, most of the renovations at Bayonet/Blackhorse were done to the course as well as the new clubhouse. The new courses are both really, really good. The older courses suffered from overgrown trees and a bad fungal and thatch problems. New bunkers now and the whole place is literally brand spankin' new. Trees have been cut back and the routing of the courses has changed a little bit, so have at it and tell us how it is when you go. I hear they are excellent.
Pasa is pricey but that is the only course in all of California that I'd pay that in a heartbeat gladly to play there. It really is spectacular. The green complexes are so dynamic and punishing should you miss your approach. That course will make stay in your memory forever.
I grew up in Los Altos and am living down here in SoCal for now so I miss the Bay Area alot. especially the golf!
QUOTE (sharkiesj @ Mar 24 2009, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE (ceyoung @ Mar 23 2009, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (sharkiesj @ Mar 23 2009, 10:53 PM)
The course you want to play, between those 2 is the Bayonet, not the BlackHorse. Trust me.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
You also may want to consider, if given the time, to get out at Pacific Grove GC in Pacific Grove. Quite possibly the best bang for your buck in the entire state of California.
Back nine has better views of the ocean than Spyglass and Spanish Bay, with only Pebble having nicer views..in fact Jack Neville who designed PB also designed the back nine at Pacific Grove. It's not a long course but I guarantee you'll hit every club in the bag...all this for less than 45 bucks. Because of it's yardage, you can play in 3 hours. I love playing there.
It has been considered for many years to be a historical landmark in NorCal, but for some odd reasons, it has never been officially deemed a historical place. The old railroad stations along the front nine have been lost but there is a lot of history there. Playing at Pacific Grove is special indeed. I liken it to, in some ways, to doing the Sheep Ranch thing in Bandon. Everyone goes to Bandon/Pacific and nobody goes to Sheep Ranch. Well, everyone goes to Spy and Pebble, but nobody goes to Pacific Grove.
One last thing you could consider is not playing either the Bayonet/BlackHorse courses and trade a round there for Pasatiempo up in Santa Cruz. The Renaissance Team's work is done and Tom Doak has transformed Pasa back to it's original glory. I played it last November and it was truly an awesome, fantastic place. Pricey, but that course is truly worth every penny. Can't say that about Spy or Pebble.
Pasatiempo would be great, but for $220 it's a bit pricey, and as I'll be going out as a single I'd rather wait till I could play it with some friends. Some friends in high school played it and thought it was the best around the area (I grew up in Livermore). Same with Spy and Pebble, although my friends that have played Pebble didn't really enjoy the 6 hour round.
I may take a look at Pacific Grove if I get another day, but Bayonet/Blackhorse probably give me a better test of golf. (Used to play off 2 hdcp, now more like a 5)
Has anyone played both courses after they reopened? From the website it sounds like most of the renovations were to the clubhouse.
ceyoung, most of the renovations at Bayonet/Blackhorse were done to the course as well as the new clubhouse. The new courses are both really, really good. The older courses suffered from overgrown trees and a bad fungal and thatch problems. New bunkers now and the whole place is literally brand spankin' new. Trees have been cut back and the routing of the courses has changed a little bit, so have at it and tell us how it is when you go. I hear they are excellent.
Pasa is pricey but that is the only course in all of California that I'd pay that in a heartbeat gladly to play there. It really is spectacular. The green complexes are so dynamic and punishing should you miss your approach. That course will make stay in your memory forever.
I grew up in Los Altos and am living down here in SoCal for now so I miss the Bay Area alot. especially the golf!
I live in England now, and the golf is much different. I miss the long courses with small greens of the Bay Area. We have a round booked at Lost Canyons in LA, my brother rates Angeles National pretty high too. Just not enough time to get in two rounds in LA either.
So... it looks like Bayonet is the choice?
Enjoy the Bayonet. Solid tract.
Lost Canyons used to be really nice but has really gone downhill. Has your brother played there recently? The Shadow course is almost unplayable it's so bad right now. Angeles National is a much better bet. I prefer Rustic Canyon over both the previous, but I also like Industry Hills Ike Course as well.
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Lost Canyons used to be really nice but has really gone downhill. Has your brother played there recently? The Shadow course is almost unplayable it's so bad right now. Angeles National is a much better bet. I prefer Rustic Canyon over both the previous, but I also like Industry Hills Ike Course as well.
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I would say play bayonet as well, but with the new renovations both courses are really good. I havent played the new back 9 of bayonet, but I have played all the others and its great. They did go a little crazy on a few par 3s making them too long. Really try to go play just the back 9 at pacific grove, you will enjoy minute of it.
QUOTE (sharkiesj @ Mar 25 2009, 04:57 AM)
Enjoy the Bayonet. Solid tract.
Lost Canyons used to be really nice but has really gone downhill. Has your brother played there recently? The Shadow course is almost unplayable it's so bad right now. Angeles National is a much better bet. I prefer Rustic Canyon over both the previous, but I also like Industry Hills Ike Course as well.
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Lost Canyons used to be really nice but has really gone downhill. Has your brother played there recently? The Shadow course is almost unplayable it's so bad right now. Angeles National is a much better bet. I prefer Rustic Canyon over both the previous, but I also like Industry Hills Ike Course as well.
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I think he played Lost Canyons about 4-6 months ago and thought it was really good. But, he's been out to Angeles National twice recently and didn't want to play there again.
We've got a tee time for 9:15 on Monday (I think on the Shadow course.) What's so bad about it at the moment? Should we look at re-booking somewhere else?
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