Well, I won't badmouth his charity work, but it is really irrelevant. The two topics have nothing to do with one another.

By the way, nobody "deserves" something for nothing. Once upon a time people overcame the obstacles in their lives. It made us stronger. Now everyone assumes they "deserve" help if they face hardship.

Yeah I knew you weren't saying that. It was set up nice so I thought I would make a joke. Anyhow, as someone else said, I am sure that he was/is always with a group of people, he dropped a couple grand on the bill and since he was with a group they went ahead and added the 18% automatically like they always do. I always have and always will tip, but the adding the auto-gratuity is BS.

Couldnt agree more with both points you bring up (especially overtipping). Having caddied for nine years through high school and college (along with my brother who later bartended) I know all about that end of the service industry.

I find it amazing that a few people dont have a problem with his lack of tipping... EVERYWHERE. Stiffing caddies, clubhouse/locker room attendants, valets- WTF!?!? I mean, who doesnt carry a wallet? Yes Tiger, meeting you was just so neat but this is indeed my job right now and I cant pay the rent with famous people sightings- feel free to carry out what is considered standard practice in North America and tip the help!!

And again, Im not suggesting every trip to Starbucks, poor service at a restaurant and certainly not when gratuity is added- I think we all are in agreement on those things...

Maybe this means from now on I too can just skip giving folks those pesky tips. If anyone asks, I'll just say "I don't carry any cash on me!" "No wallet either!" Will anyone buy into it? Of course not. Imagine Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus doing this? Of course not.

I like the "he doesn't carry cash" excuse for el tigre's lack of tip. Last time I checked, pretty much every restaurant that takes amex has a little line under the bill amount where you can add a tip and then add up the total. So to not put in a tip after getting the credit card slip reminder is pretty much LAME! If you have ever waited tables you know that in many states you have a significantly lower min. wage as a waiter or bartender because the reduced wage is offset by tips. WHen I was waiting tables waiters got 2.10 whereas the minimum wage for all others was around $5.

As to TTiger's foundation, how much is his money and how much comes from donation?

can somebody paste Tiger's face over Steve Buscemi's in the restaurant scene of Reservoir Dogs and post it somewhere. Somebody please make this happen!

I think we all should take a page out of Tiger's book and quit tipping too

Well the best way to put it is


If you dont feel the need to take care of those that are doing a job for you, then do it yourself.

he is cheap and it is very well known, at his first Tiger Jam at Mandalay Bay he wanted a private blackjack table and he was playing quarters aka 25.00 a hand, pitboss pretty much laughed and told him he needed action to rate a table. Gotta love Vegas and the "your who" type of attitude towards those that dont take care of the staff.
The only excuse for not tipping a job well done is Cheap

Your response is very inaccurate,and is definitely made by someone who has never worked in the service industry.Large parties are harder to manage and are usually not nearly as profitable for the server even if the 18% grat is automatically included. The standards of tipping are not the same worldwide so attitude's will vary,but the service industry is very tough and the only rewards available are money,so tip appropriately. I will end this statement with one more thought,Ask 20 servers why Jordan,Tiger and you wouldn't tip very well and 19 out of 20 would have the same answer.IMO Todd

ok if any one of you caddied for TIGER WOODS would you feel he needed to tip you?!!! i would love to caddy for him. i'd even pay to caddy for him. this nonesense about him "stiffing" a caddy is ridiculous. if he offered me the fee i ususally get id say no. i thinking caddying for the greatest player of all time is more fulfilling than a tip.

Speaking of getting stiffed for caddying, I caddied for Tom Watson when I was in high school and all he gave me was a sleeve of his Maxlfi HT-100 golf balls. Did I care? Hell no, it was awesome to spend the day with him and pick his brain.

Why is it nonsense, I actually know the caddie his name is Bernie

Bernie did not go into work that day to loop for free, Bernie has bills, the fact that you would do it doesn't make it right

I understand your point that per head people generally put in less of a tip when in a large group than when as a couple. I do this myself.
I agree that a large group is more difficult for the waitress to handle and will involve more work for them but is possibly easier for the resteraunt.
I work in retail and in my line people try and offer less for items although some do give a small tip which is nice. I just don't think it is right that people have to rely on tips to make up their wage. It is a cop out for the employer.
It may be easier to tip in the U.S as the value is better and the service is generally better although it can seem a bit over the top to the British.
I do tend to tip 10-25% myself depending how much I enjoyed the meal and how I was served. I just feel that the people doing the serving deserve to get a proper wage from their employer and not rely on us to top it up.

Gem

Good post Gem, but is necessary to spite the employee because thats how you feel the employer is saving money?
not fair to the server

ok. sorry then. i am so sorry your friend got to caddy for tiger woods and did not get paid. could have prob asked for an autograph and sold it if he needed the money that bad. no way i can feel sorry for a guy that caddies for tiger woods and gets stiffed honestly. that is an experience to talk about for the rest of your life!!!

sorry but some of us are not star struck, I also personally think a grown man asking another man for his autograph is ridiculous, but thats just me

hahaha i guess. i mean im 19. i have met many pga tour pros and not asked for autographs, but come on. its tiger woods we're talking about. to be around him when he fires a course record and be his caddy for that? thatd be awesome and i would not need a tip. to each his own. however, i still think when im older i would stand by my statement saying i would not need a tip. greatest golfer of all time. carrying his clubs and talking to him for those few hours. what an experience.

Actually, add to that, a grown man asking another for an autograph and then selling it on Ebay, that's ridiculous.

Tiger is cheap, it's well known by now. It has nothing to do with the money/time he gives to charity. He can learn a little in the class department - tip more, and quite wearing the swoosh just about everywhere you go.

All that being said, he's still one hell of a golfer. That's really all I care about.

Amen

I think that it's clear that we don't have all the information about what went on in Vegas. We're making assumptions and accusations about something we don't know about and heresay. That's how rumors get started.

Let's consider this. IF he didn't tip, there could be many legit reasons for why he didn't.

1. Maybe the gratuity was already added in.
2. Maybe he got horrible service. Probably not, but we don't know.
3. Maybe he was told that the "host" that was following him around would leave the tip. Could have been a miscommunication between the group.
4. Maybe he thought the rest of the group would throw in the tip and they all thought they had a free ride. That happens all the time in groups where somebody picks up the tab.
5. He's belonged to private clubs a lot of his life and at those places there is usually a service charge AND a tip included automatically. Maybe he assumed that to be the case.
6. Maybe he honestly doesn't know any better. I know people are gonna say, "he SHOULD know," but maybe he doesn't. I've been out with people who never tip or always leave $2 for the tip even if the tab is $50. They grew up watching their parents leaving a $2 tip for everything and just honestly thought that was the standard. Even though $2 may have been a good tip in those times, they simply saw the amount and didn't think anything about the total of the bill dictating the amount of the tip.

I've had conversations with them, after the fact, about the small tip they left and after explaining to them that it should be a percentage of the bill, they felt horrible about it. They now overtip in an attempt to make up for all the times that they shorted their servers. It was pure ignorance. You can't fault somebody for doing something when they don't know any better. They actually thought that $2 was over and beyond.

I'm not trying to defend Tiger. I'm just trying to look at the situation with an open mind.

It is still VERY possible that he knew exactly that he wasn't tipping and that he should be. If that is the case, WHAT AN A..HOLE!

That's why he backed BHO. I was raised in a modest military family and I tip 15-20%. Quit making excuses for the guy.

Doesn't carry cash? I'm pretty sure there is a tip line on a credit card receipt.


But seriously. Who cares what the man does with his money. I personally tip but I'm not annoyed if other people don't.

Here's the thing with celebrities and the expectation for a bigger tip. Unless you're in a super celeb dense bar VIP area, the server helping them more than likely had their entire section taken away by management aside from the one table. The celebs usually set this up by having their assistants call ahead of time to let management know they're coming. If the said celebrity doesn't tip, that server doesn't make any money the entire night. I worked high end Chicago bars for a while and saw my fair share of super mad servers who make nothing on a Friday night because of a B list celeb when they usually made $200. Since they only had the one table, they usually get cut after they leave. Please don't say they don't ask for the extra service, it's an extra cost of being a celebrity.

PS. I'm appalled at the casual attitudes towards tipping of people. If you're at a full service restaurant, that person is making less than $3 an hour and they have to tip out busboys, bartenders, hostesses, so they fully depend on the tips. If you don't tip, you actually cost them money since tip outs are based off of sales. There is not one single person out there who's a bad tipper and really doesn't know it. Everything they say is just an excuse. If you can't afford 15-20% eat at McDonalds. Those guys make $7 an hour.

IMG forgot to program that command / response in the original RoboTiger. Since that version is currently getting a frame rebuild, I'm sure they will correct this software defect in the new & improved RoboTiger 2.0!

Seriously though, it's not a big secret that this is out there and this is not the first time it has been reported! Celebrities should not be expected to tip a hugh amount because they are wealthy, but they should be held to the same standard as Joe Q. Public and tip what is customary. Excuses such as he doesn't know better, he thought someone else got it, thought it was included, etc. is just justifying poor social etiquette. The person paying or someone put in charge of such things for that person has a responsibility to make sure it happens - plain & simple. Being a celebrity does NOT give someone a free pass!

Early on in his pro career, he even embarassed Earl so much that Earl used to leave the tips or a reasonable tip when they would leave a restaraunt. Tiger has many charitable organizations, but rarely will he do something that doesn't get some form of publicity.

Let's not get Tiger's "Foundation's expenditures"....... and its contributory funding......... mixed up w/ his personal philanthropic cash outlay. Public records and obligatory disclosure are wonderful things

One of the ladies who works at our private club somehow got a volunteer job at a PGA tournament several years ago. I remember her telling me she was assigned to to take care of anything the players might need food and beverage wise around the practice green.

Tiger tipped her $100, even though all she did (besides stand around for a couple of hours) was grab him a few cold bottles of water. She said he was very kind, asking where she was from, etc...

It doesn't matter who you are or what you do. TIPS is an acronym for To Insure Proper Service. Common courtesy dictates tipping in a service related industry. Tiger Woods, Bill Gates or Britney Spears should all tip if good service is provided.
To all the Tiger worshippers or anybody else who puts someone on a pedestal, their crap stinks the same as the next person. It's the profession they've chosen and they aren't any better then the next person. It's great to admire what someone does but the idol worshipping that goes on is really moronic and stupid.

I am sure that Tiger is not the only celeb or pro athlete or pro golfer that either doesn't tip or won't tip or forgot to tip...

Amazes me the number of people that on here rant and rail about Tiger not tipping and will stiff the pizza delivery guy or stiff the bartender at the local sports bar, probably even stiff their barber...

Judge ye not, lest ye be judged...

I never tip less than 15% but I will admit that I hate the practice. I hate that the customer is guilt-tripped into providing a fair wage for the waiter/bartender. Every other employer is required to pay a fair wage, but for some odd reason in 21st century USA it's perfectly acceptable to pay waitstaff a measly couple dollars an hour.

Waiting tables is hard work, but there's a lot of really hard thankless jobs out there whose workers never see a tip, despite providing invaluable services. What is so special about waiting tables that they can't just get paid a regular wage like everyone else in the world. I'd be fine if there was a standard service charge for dining in a restaurant so we could do away with this crassness.

Paying a full staff higher wages means the prices of your food would probably double wouldn't it? How else would an employer be able to pay the entire staff competitive wages and make any money? Non tippers get off easy and they are lucky the rest of the people tip or you would be paying 30 dollars for that cheesburger and fries.

Lets look at it from Tigers view, first of all if he is picking up all the tabs he is not cheap, just because he has loads of money doesnt mean he should have to pay everyones way. I dont blame him to expect others to pick up the tip (if this story is true). Also pointed out he has tipped very well before (the $50 for pizza and $100 for the water bottle girl).

Having a tipping system actually saves you money. That's right. It saves you money.

Most restaurants fail shortly after the 1st year they open. Because people think that it is easy and anyone can do it. Without tips restaurants would fail 100% of the time.

Restaurants can't just raise their prices 15% and pay people a bigger wage. Because that 15% percent increase would also create more indirect charges for the business.

Raising the entree price from $30 to $34.50 wouldn't keep them from going under unless you were pushing people through like McDonalds or other chains that do high volumes as well as centralize and automate all of their production.

That is why successful restautant owners become famous. It is just as hard if not harder to do then to becoming a professional athlete, or performer or some other high profile job.

That depends on the style of restaurant. And when it does save money it's not much.


No they wouldn't. That is stupid, baseless, and completely made up.



Ok, then 18%. Big deal. They have to pay a little more taxes, just like every other business. At least then they would not be false adverstising by listing menu prices without tip like they currently do. If you want people to pay the menu price plus tip, then just make the tip automatically included in the menu price. It's called not being deceitful.



I see you enjoy making factless claims. Most restaurants go under because they have lackluster food, bad location, bad management. It has nothing to do with tipping.



Yeah great, nobody cares. Restaurant owners are supercool I'm sure, but that is irrelevant to the tipping matter. If they have a good restaurant they don't need to false advertise their prices on the menu and rip off a little tax break that they shouldn't have anyway.

I have many "above average income" friends who are quite cheap skates. They are well worth more than $50 million each. Bad tipping habit is just a minor glitch they have. It ranges from eating out only at the cheapest restaurants as possible, taking holidays only at hotels that are 3 stars or below, borrowing small change and never paying back (ranges from $10-100), just scared of spending etc.

But the funniest thing is that they are penny wise and pound foolish. I could give some examples but just to generalize they are so conservative with small money yet they make silly mistakes from time to time and lose out on millions of dollars on mismanaged projects.
They also do give a lot to charity. But is it real charity out of their true heart? More like tax deduction because charity can be used to their advantage. Of course not all are like that but I am just giving a few selected examples.

But IMPO charity is charity and tip is tip. Charity funds do not goto the waiters who are serving you and they also are also working hard day to day to survive. Otherwise they won't be serving anyone at a restaurant whether it be Tiger Woods or anyone else.

Tipping a substantial amount is an American thing. Granted a cup of coffee is going to run you $6 in Paris...

I heard the Dalai Lama was a poor tipper.

Must have been a slow news day at the News Day and Glamoratti.com...

haha. well done.

all i will say is that my father is one of the most amazing and generous people I have ever met. completely selfless. he is also firmly upper-middle class, and technically, i am firmly upper-lower class. guess who tips better? in fact, guess who seriously over-tips waaaay too often? you got it. with nowhere near as much money to spare, i am the far better tipper. while my father struggles to tip 15%. is it because i used to wait/bus tables, caddie, or deliver pizzas? is it because my dad was a drill sergeant? is it generational? is his relative wealth related to his frugality?

i dont know. but i do know that the speculation about Tiger's habits/motives in this thread is worse than a Gossip Girl episode.

Considering he makes over $11,000 every hour 24/7, he should tip well.

If we're going to be completely liberal on this subject, allow me to retort from the conservative point of view.
The people that are getting taxed on their tips in Vegas are pulling $300-$500 in cash tips per NIGHT... and twice that amount on busy nights and even more on fight nights. The IRS stepped in because of the amount of cash these servers were taking home... They would not have stepped in if people generally didn't tip. And besides, no one is forcing them to work as a server or a busboy, it is their choice. Take with it, the good and the bad. I don't feel bad for anyone who has a job on a wait staff at a Vegas restaurant... especially those who work at high end joints where Tiger and his enterage would hang.

The server at Dennys in Vegas or the Casino dealer at Flamingo isnt pulling in a 1/4 of that amount but being taxed the same

Tiger needs to go wait tables at a busy restuarant on a Saturday night.......just once

And for the guy who says "why should anyone believe a word Barkley says?" my answer would be because he's one of the most honest people on the planet and will tell it how it is regardless of how it makes him look. That's why he's an amazing basketball analyst......but, his honesty usually gets him in trouble.

I've read somewhere that Tiger tipped a cocktail server at a casino too much and pulled a fiver back.

Kinda sad really.

That extra pocket money isn't going to make a difference in his life one way or the other, he might as well pass it on who might need it.

I know that Michael Jordan taught Tiger the ropes when Tiger was still a young upcomer. I wonder if not tipping was some of the advice that MJ bestowed on Tiger as they seem to have similar habits in this area. I would imagine that it has something to do with stopping people from harassing and using you.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, if that was the case.

Kinda silly advice. For me, I'd rather just say no to users and people asking for handouts than be a perceived cheapskate.

It sucks because it seems what has been reported is either all or nothing. He either tips generously or stiffs.

We should start an online petition on this.

Mr. Tiger Woods,

We have served you food, carried your clubs, refilled your drinks, shined your shoes, valeted your car and opened the door for you. In all that time, you have not shown appreciation in the customary American tipping tradition.

We give you excellent customer service with a friendly smile and what do we get in return? Nothing.

We realize that customer service jobs are not as important or glamorous as playing a game for a living, but we have financial needs too. Much of our income comes from tips. We have hungry spouses, mistresses and children to feed. I do treasure the golf ball you gave me, but it is not going to pay the rent.

Mr. Woods, we implore you to open your squeaky tight wallet and shell out a few bucks to the humble people that serve you and improve your standard of living on a daily basis.

Sincerely,
The waitresses, doormen, caddies, concierges and valets that you have stiffed.

P.S. Please tell your friend MJ to stop being such a tightwad as well.

A story I heard - may not be true, but good story none the less.

Every time Kurt Warner and his family eat out he picks up the tab for one other family at the restaurant. He even lets the kids pick out the family. Everyone knows his life story by now, but this just reiterates the fact that he is a good person and lets you know that there are a few genuine celebs/athletes left out there.

i lol'd too.

kudos.

I heard he stiffed the Doctor that did his knee surgery.