MJ must have been a bad influence. Just goes to show; all the money and talent in the world can’t buy manners or class. But, it seems to be the way of a modern world.



In this case, a lack of just seems to perpetuate arrogance, a fowl mouth and a new generation of fans who think he is a God and think the way he acts is acceptable (lets see how long it takes someone to say he is). The fact that people think this is funny and that they continue to slurp him and others with similar positions and celebrity that act the same way is scary.



As for the military background, I don’t think our Armed Services promote anything cheap, they are all class.



Oh, last but not least, let’s promote entitlement while being worth 100’s of millions of dollars.

Here is where you are dead wrong.....the onus could be on the employer but then they would charge you more for your food, in order to cover the added labor. In western CULTURE tipping is an accepted procedure so the onus is on you to pay the waiter if they gave good service. If they give bad service then fine dont tip them, if they give good or great service give them what they have earned. Try getting good service where the servers are paid an hourly rate and dont get tips, it will rarely happen, why because good waiters make good money doing what can be a pretty difficult job by earning tips. Trust me restaurants to dont take as much money to the bottom line as you think, if they had to pay server double or triple the money to employ them you would be paying a lot more for the beer or burger. TIPS stands for To Insure Proper Service. I promise you this, if you had to wait tables for just one night you would feel guilty for not giving a good server a good tip. Dont like it? go to Macdonalds, walk your a$$ to the counter, bus your own table, go get your own refill, carry your own food to the table. Really people like you are just plain rude and inconsiderate. If what they are saying about Tiger is true then I just lost a lot of respect for him. Very selfish attitude, shows a BIG lack of class.

You sir, are correct, I know this to be true for an absolute fact. Well maybe not $30 for a buger, but certainly much much more when you consider the higher wages for the bar, bussers, wait staff, host, taxes, unemployment insurance, and other added costs. My advice for those who dont like to tip, stay home eat a turkey sandwich.

Well said sir
just proves how many cheapskates there are lol

Barkley is very honest, just ask that police officer that spoke to him on his way to the hooker with the good, er, skill.

I'll attest to the rich people tip the worst theory. Years of pizza delivery in many different locations teaches you that the bigger the house the smaller the tip, and that kids keep all the change

Like it or not, you have to tip. I cannot believe I've read this whole thread and posted to it. Argh.

Tiger should tip....period. He is working towards 1 billion in earnings and the tip amounts would be of no consequence to him. He is becoming notorious for this type behavior. Aren't most of the funds provided by Tiger's foundation coming in from corporate sponsors and private donors (pro am's, etc.). He is providing his time; which is noble.

On the other hand....Kurt Warner....as reported on ESPN, on the way home from an NFL game....pulled over in the cold and helped a guy/lady change a flat tire. Jim Thorpe (one of my favorite players) is reportedly relentless searching for pro am partners errant tee shots in the scrub. We all could learn lessons in humility from these guys.

When did tipping become compulsory?

If a man has a right to chose whether to surely thats up to them. I doubt this article would of got the same publicity if the title was 'Tiger tips $100 for every meal'.

Shame we always want to bring people down.

I imagine things are different on the other side of the pond.

Here in the States, it's a common practice... and widely accepted that you should tip at a restaurant where someone is waiting on you.

i used to know a lady who worked at the hotel in akron during firestone tourney week where all the players stayed. she said all the players left nice tips all the time except for one.........eldrick!

If the serving staff were paid a good wage and knew their job was on the line like the rest of us if they did not come up to scratch then the service would be of a high standard.
I do tip around 15-20% but I think that we should not feel obliged to do this because we know that the person serving is on a very low wage.
If the restaurant is quiet then they get nothing. I think some (not all) people that run these places have flash cars and a large house but still pay their staff buttons and expect the rest of us to bump up their wages. I think this is wrong.

Would it not be better if serving staff got well paid and that we could still tip for great service when it was merited?

Gem

Somewhat off-topic, but you can usually tell the Tiger haters by the use of his full first name.

The problem with your analogy is that you do not caddie for a living. Because you were doing it for fun, you wouldn't want or expect a tip. Frankly, most guys on this board would pay a significant amount of money to caddie for him.

On the other hand, if you worked as a professional caddie at a club (where tipping is expected), you would be pretty angry if some rich dude failed to tip your for good service.

Again, bad service does not have to be rewarded with a good tip. If you get bad service, you don't have to give a good tip (or any tip at all). A few years ago, my dad and I played a great course in Ireland. He got a horrible caddie. After the round, he gave the money he had originally intended to tip his caddie to my caddie (who was awesome) - sent a message loud and clear.

BTW _ If I was going to caddie for free, I can think of some ladies on the LPGA tour that could entice me to spend a few hours lugging one of those tour bags around.

I tip 15 percent unless the service is poor. Until today, that is.

I have been pretty generous when it comes to giving 15 percent for marginal to not very good service...but seeing how many people just on this board don't tip or give less than that...why should I give 15 percent for anything less than very good service?

What I thought was a measely 15 percent...is above average in reality.

You guys just saved me hundreds of dollars a year.

Thanks!

If you guys think Tiger is cheap, you will be floored by De la hoya.

frugal would be a nice word

Where's the sarcasm tag?

I guess that would be true if you believe in socialism, but I don't.....

Haha. So if a business pays it's employees a decent wage and doesn't accept tips then they are socialist according to you. You've been watching too much Fox News there buddy.

I am amused by people who are proud of how "classy" they are by being big tippers. I am also amused by people who use words like socialism incorrectly because they're repeating what they've heard from other people who use the word incorrectly for extremely unethical reasons. For those of you not living in America it's things like this that got Bush elected two times. Stay classy America, stay classy, haha.

The tipping phenomenon is a method devised by business owners to not have pay an employee much if at all. Purely a selfish motive on the business owners part. Then the people who take these jobs pour on all kinds of extra pandering a** kissing and other unnecessary bs, not because they care about the customer, but because they selfishly care about themselves getting a big tip. And then the people who are customers feel a mix of some kind of peer pressured guilt along with the sentiment of "I'm such a good person because I tip well" and tip way too much in many cases. All of this as Gem mentioned stems from the business owners being selfish and deceptive. They want to pay their employees less so they can keep more money, and they want the prices on the menu to appear less than they really are to make you more likely to pay it.

The tipping phenomenon?

Like it or not, it's part of the fabric of society here in the United States.

We've heard the whole selfish business owner angle ad nauseam. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a little bigger than that.

It's just getting a tad ridiculous reading all the people's excuses justifications why they can't spring for the extra fiver when going out. Whether it's eating out, getting a haircut, valet, or tipping your caddy.

There's countless times when a tip is the classy thing to do... and wouldn't you know it, it's all not because of some Business-McScrooge selfishness cutting their employees some sweatshop pay rate.

Just pony up. Is the money you save by stiffing someone really going to make a difference in your life?

edit: please don't turn this into a political pissing contest... that's a one way ticket to get this thread locked down.

Gem,
It might be different in your area of the country. I know in Europe tips are not expected and are included in all meals. To answer your question larger groups sometimes are very difficult to deal with seperate checks, drink orders, everyone not ready to order right away etc. slows down the flow of your other tables. I waited tables at fine dining restaurants in college in the early 90's, 18% grat on parties of 6 or more was standard. We generally got tipped on top of that but we never expected it. In the case above tiger might had a group of people and the tip was added.
Quick question for you guys when you go to a club where they take the clubs out of your trunk and take it to your cart, how much do you tip? or do you?
Kevin

Too bad Tiger didn't let Madoff handle his investments for him.

We don't get that sort of treatment here in Scotland all that much but when playing Dundonald links near Troon we gave the shoeshine boy (a guy in his 60's) a decent tip. I felt a bit sorry for him treating us like we were something special and not the everyday guys that we are. I feel this is demeaning to someone in their 60's as I was brought up to respect everyone and especially my elders and to see him do this is not for me.

As far as tipping someone that picks up the bag as you enter, I wouldn't dream of tipping someone for doing this as it is totally unnecessary and I would much rather look after my own bag.

Gem

Food servers must pay taxes on their assumed tips in the US (8% of total sales is reported as income).
It shows very poor character to stiff a waitress (oops ... double entendre) and we all know it.

Tipping is still the done thing here in the UK as far as I know.

Being the cheap b*****d I am I only add 10% but if someone has done a good job fair enough.

The restaurants I hate are where it says on the Menu "Service Compris" where they add 10-15% whether the guy has slung it at you or given good service.

Reward the folks for good service to me.

You say a lot of things and back up none of them.

You must not know what the word phenomenon means either. Calling something a phenomenon doesn't mean that it's not part of the fabric of society. I live in the US and know very well about it's society. You are making bad assumptions.

You have not heard the selfish business owner description in this thread to anywhere near the clarity and thoroughness I just provided. You say it's a little bit bigger than that but then provide zero reasons why. Which almost always means that you don't have any or else you would have provided them without being asked.

Whether some people are cheap or not doesn't change the fact that tipping is a bunch of bs devised by selfish business owners. So if you want to blame somebody for tipping problems you should mainly blame them.

The money saved from tipping isn't going to make much of a difference in a person's life but the concept and act of tipping does. It's annoying to have someone groveling for your tip. Unless you are an egomaniac who likes having your a** kissed. This is probably why Tiger and Jordan don't tip, so people won't annoyingly pander to them because they know they are super rich, that must be very annoying. How about they just put the food on the table and spare him the fake butt kissing attitude and the 37 unnecessary refills of water. It's annoying crap like that that is caused by the phenomenon of tipping. Like another person in the thread mentioned, how annoying is it when some overly fake nice bs artist comes out to your car to grab your bags and is clearly looking for some big tip for a completely unnecessary task. What do they think I am a prissy old rich lady? The Sultan of Brunei? I can carry my own bag to the proshop, I did not ask for this, yet they are very pushy about it for purely selfish reasons.

Way too many excuses for cheap behavior in this thread.

if you have a problem with tipping, your a cheap a** period

Could you imagine Tiger and (have my first dollar) Palmer out together.

The question of Tiger being cheap with tips ahas been so widely reported that it is no longer a matter for debate. It is a fact. He is cheap with people he should be generous with.

I doubt Tiger is trying a one-man campaign to overturn the inequity of a system that fails to pay waiting staff good wages.

Also, his charity work is an essential part of the financial arrangements for any obscenely wealthy person these days. I would draw a distinction between money he raises and money he gives, and I suspect it is rather more of the former. Also very good for his carefully crafted image, not to mention the tax benefits?

I have to agree with the statement that the more money people have, the cheaper they are with tips. I delivered furniture for three years and when we did get tips, it would be from the middle to lower class people, and just for delivering a bed. Rich people would expect you to haul our their dirty, stinky old furniture, bring in the new stuff and watch like a hawk that you didn't damage the walls (which makes you even more nervous) and then nearly hit you with the door on the way out! We always thought that when we put in extra effort to make something fit, or move around people's furniture/take the old stuff away, that we should get a little something for the effort, but we rarely got tipped, yet the guy delivering pizza's gets tipped more often than not. It's not like we made a lot more than minimum wage either.

If this stuff is true about Tiger, it will get around, and I hope that he doesn't go to the same place twice, because he might just get the spit marinade on his steak next time. He won't even get the same service that Joe Blow does, he'll get the worst service because he the server knows they won't be getting a tip.

He probably wants worse service though because he doesn't want to be bothered with all the groveling. He should watch out for spit though. But he probably has Steve Williams stand guard in the kitchen to make sure that doesn't happen.

That or it could be a black thing in payback for slavery and segregation since there weren't a lot of black waiters getting tips back then. I've heard a few black people say something like that.

And if he is on a one-man campaign to overturn the inequity of a system that fails to pay waiting staff good wages then I salute him. The campaign must start somewhere. And it's not just a one man mission either, there are others, we have meetings every month.

Yeah no kidding.

that really is the bottom line

This thread is dumb and getting dumber.

Well put, I many times get insulted about how much people fawn over celebrities and thier charity work. First of all they need a tax break, 2nd of all their handlers find charities for them to become involved in, it is a feel good situation for all, good for PR etc. Not saying Tiger is not passionate about his learning center and the 1st tee etc. but the true measure of someones character is how they treat people when they dont have to treat them a certain way.

Wow. This thread is up to 4 pages and not closed yet? On a site where you can't even start a thread called "Psycho Pat Perez" about a guy who's had numerous televised tantrums, broke his fairway wood in anger on the 72nd hole of a tournament, who has been so volatile that networks have had to avoid coverage of him....yet it's OK to go on and on slandering Tiger Woods, passing judgment based on gossip and hearsay.

Pat Perez probably tips 150%, obviously because he's such a good, unselfish person...

I believe the lack of tipping comes from his never having to have worked a real job, he's been groomed from birth to play golf.

Tiger has never had to work a menial job to make ends meet, he has no concept of that himself, though his parents did, he's always had what he wanted and has done quite well for himself in golf, but he hasn't had to slave away 9 - 5 for minimum wage, or work in the pro shop.

None the less, it is what it is.

You might want to check out what he was up against at the Navy Club when he was growing up. Life is not always as easy as you think it is for some folks.

There's a poem entitled "Richard Cory" that speaks to that a bit.

I either leave 20+% or leave a $1-2 based solely on service. Obviously the person waiting on me determines what tip they get by the service. If I leave you $1 then you did a very poor job...which probably happens once or twice a year. Although I think going out for drinks is completely different for tipping policies because basically anything you give the bartender goes straight to the entire bar staff (most places) so I don't see the point in leaving money every time you get a beer. Mixed drinks and shots is different but just handing me a bottle or pouring from a tap shouldnt get a tip every single time IMO.

I would agree with you, but when you're a guy, and the bar is full of hot women, it's the only to not wait for an hour to get your drink!!

want to be rich? do what rich people do.

First of all I am not your buddy, 2nd of all I have no idea what you are talking about. FYI, unless you have ever put everything you have on the line financially and personally, worked day and night and had many sleepless nights about whether the business you started was going to make it, like many small business owners do, dont criticize thier "methods" No one is forcing anyone to work at a certain job in a free country. You sound like a bitter person who has no idea what it takes to make it in the world without someone giving you a free ride. I often see this attitude with lazy people who like to blame everyone but themselves for their plight in life. When in fact they should do nothing but look in the mirror. You are obviously one of those who would rather have the govt. take care of you instead of taking care of yourself, to each his own, and you are correct Socialism is probaly the wrong word, Neo-Marxist is much better.

That's true one of my bosses always used to pay with a $20 and give them all the change for one beer thats $3-4 on the first one. After that, you make eye contact with that same bartender and you're in.

Aren't these just stories? Do any of you stop and think how pathetic it is to dwell upon something in which you don't even know whether it is a FACT or not? Do you know Tiger personally? Is there a chance someone made the story up? Maybe so being the media and all...right?

How bout we take a breath.....ah.....and relax, and stop judging before we actually know the facts. Let's not jump at every opportunity to be offended.

With as much as the Media is up tiger's arse, they wouldnt create something to give him a negative image. He is cheap, but he is also a very nice guy

Tiger played with a mini tour player in the Pro Am whom mondayed for the tournament.. the guy had been struggling because of lack of funds/sponsors, Tiger he ended up writing him a check for 50 grand out of the blue at the end of the round.



There are plenty of people who tip poorly, it shouldn't matter how heavy your wallet is, you tipping is your own personal preference. For me I tip ugly waitresses a lot, and refuse to tip the good looking ones. Try to balance society out a bit.

Tiger does a hell of a lot more good with his funds than most pro athletes.

Ok, make that way too much Fox News. And when I called you buddy that was sarcasm, a concept that apparently has not hit Kansas yet.

So you have a big problem with a person being unethical and not leaving a tip, but you don't have a problem with business owners being unethical in creating and abusing a tipping system. Sounds pretty hypocritical, biased, and selfish.

That is an interesting fantasy you have about me being lazy and my plight, and that I want the govt to take care of me instead of taking care of myself. Does making up fantasies about people who logically disagree with you make you feel better about yourself? You should probably check yourself into a mental institution if you really need to resort to making things up like that.

Much like golf, capitalism does not work without rules. Rules are necessary, they don't equal socialism or marxism.

And just because some small business owners like yourself struggle and worry, that doesn't mean that ethics do not apply anymore and they are above criticism. Get over yourself. I guess you shouldn't criticize anything Congress does unless your a Senator too. And you shouldn't criticize a tour player for improving his lie in the rough unless you know what it's like to be a tour player struggling to make enough money to cover travel costs. Actually an even better example of your utter lack of logic is that you shouldn't criticize Tiger unless you have won 14 majors and know what it's like to spend many hours on the range everyday and sleepless nights with the lead in a pga tournament and have 100 million dollars and a charity that people here are calling insincere. Unless you have done all that then you shouldn't criticize Tiger for rumors about him not tipping like you've been doing. Hopefully you can see how you're not making any sense now.

Let's not bring Fox new's into this lame debate please

billy, did you just come into town for supplies?

dude your lost. and yes I watch Fox and voted republican, Problem?
back on topic

your cheap and try to blame the resteraunteur for being so. here is a solution stay home and eat your swanson's and let those that will take care of the servers get faster service instead of waiting for your no tippinass to send back your steak 3x so you can get a comped meal

It's only slander if it isn't true.

Don't feel bad. Ole' Snaggletooth never understood that one either. He thought you could be held libel for your words and that if you said a word about his jacked up grill that he could sue you for liable.

Do I even need to post why this is being closed?