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Pitiful!

Go easy on him, he does have the best selling driver in Wal-Mart for the past 4 years. Way to go JD, keep up the good work.

The Daly threads are getting almost as annoying as the Wie threads have been over the last few years.

The guy is a waste case. I was tired of John Daly ten years ago. And guess what has changed over the last ten years...

Not a thing.

Clearly his problems are bigger than he is. Would be nice to see him make a come-back though. I think he has the talent and skill-set, just needs to have the attitude to make it work.

He has waaaaaaaaaaaay too many demons so don't hold your breath on a comeback.

I sure wish he would though. Nothing beats watching him in that playoff with Tiger a few years back at Harding Park. Blowing it 30 yards past Tiger, only to lose the playoff.

I simply have no words. I pity him. I really do.

You said it. I wish the guy would just go away already.

When will he look in the mirror? It is time for tournaments and sponsors to stop enabling.

He needs something life-changing to happen to him.

I vote jail. You know he won't go to rehab (and finish)... so maybe something with a little more coercion would help.

It's sad that he wasted that talent, he could have been so much better w/out the alcohol

I'm a little burnt out on the 'waste of talent' and 'hope for a comeback' angle. He had his time, he got some wins, now it's over. There are 125 guys right now with tour cards who have talent, a couple of those will probably piss it away, just not with the media hype and fanfare that JD has. But in the end, why should we really care?

If the compassionate out there really want to use alcoholism is a sickness and the man needs help angle, then check your own extended families or neighborhood, somewhere nearby is an alcoholic who needs intervention. Help them out and let JD just fade away into oblivion where he belongs.

Talent? What shot other than 325 drives off a beer can does JD have that no one else does?

If we want to talk about a great comeback story that's real instead of a pipe dream of a comeback story, then let's talk Erik Compton. That's a story worth talking about forever.

Addiction is a real b****. Anyone who has gone through it, or known someone who has can tell you all the horror stories. Its not as easy to "just quit" as many think. I for one still hope John finds a way.

+1. its not something to take lightly at all. he needs some (more) help. one or 2 times in rehab doesnt always do the trick. i always liked the guy, but he has some demons he needs to take care of.

"Talent? What shot other than 325 drives off a beer can does JD have that no one else does?"


He has 2 more majors than the majority of people who have played on the PGA Tour. He has a world of talent. He just chooses to waste it.

..."Talent? What shot other than 325 drives off a beer can does JD have that no one else does?"...

well, besides 2 Majors and a total of 19 Professional wins (5 of them on the PGA Tour), he also has/had some really soft hands and a great short game. i didnt realize you needed "a shot no one else has" to be considered talented either...

Perhaps we should wait and see if John will be on Celebrity Rehab Season 3?

This is nothing new. John has been selling his merchandise out of the back of his RV for years. I remember a couple of years ago that he stated that he cleared $2 million in sales. In 2007 I saw him at a Hooter's in Augusta, GA selling his stuff and he was not even in the tournament.

you're right... there are only so many shot in the bag anyways... i think he's great and do wish him well. Believe it of not he and the publicity has still done more good than bad for the game. At least he's not a cheater. We all have demons...

maybe he should try his luck in the Long Drive Championships.... Bet he could match them with out a longer shafted club.

Yes ... I do agree about the demons. Lord knows I've had friends with addictions over the years, and they can really be devastating, and wicked hard to beat. Actually, from what some of my friends tell me, bad addictions are really never beat - they can only be held in permanent submission with continual work. Maybe there is some truth to the notion that (some) alchoholics are genetically pre-disposed to it. Daly sure looks like that. You do not get to the pinnacle of a professional sport (something he did, originally, achieve) without a good deal of discipline ... but it just seems as though when it comes to alchohol, he's just flat out not able to bring any discipline to bear.

He's got to be looking at himself right now and just (now and then) saying "WTF did I do to my life?" ... The man won The Open, arguably the most prestigious tournament in the Sport. And he's now sitting at Hooters, signing autographs on trinkets for pocket change. And I'd be willing to bet his exemptions nearly completely dry up in the next couple of years (actually, very likely next year we'll see him in very few tournaments). The sponsors and tourneys that were sticking with him were likely doing so because he was a "colorful", lively player. At this point however, I think he has crossed that final line between being seen as "colorful", and being seen as simply a sad, pathetic drunk.

So yeah ... I feel quite bad for the guy as a person. I greatly enjoyed watching him in his early days on the tour.

HOWEVER ... while there may be some chance (that I suspect everyone hopes for) that he does finally face the demons, I believe there is no chance that he ever again becomes a golfer capable of competing at the level of PGA Tour pros. In the last couple of years he hasn't just been crumbling, he's been crumbling at an accelerating rate.

I must say, as a human being, I hope he gets help, but ... in terms of golf, I think it is increasingly just flat out wrong to give him any of the very precious exemption spots in any PGA Tournament.

Like JD, you are living in the past. That is talent he had, not talent he has. You don't need to a shot no one else has to be considered talented, but in JD's case lots of people want to give him a pass because he has 'talent'. I'm just calling B.S., because right now the only talent he has shown in the last three years is the beer can shot, or the ability to golf sans shirt/shoes.

The great short game is also a thing of the past, the guy couldn't make the cut at the Vegas birdie fest. A great short game gets you past the cut line more times than not, how many cuts has JD made in the last 3 years? It's 22 for 62, wow, that's talent.

..."Like JD, you are living in the past. That is talent he had, not talent he has"...
The same thing can be said for Arnold Palmer too, correct? he HAD talent...

a lot of people just like to dismiss someone with an alcohol or drug problem, write them off and forget about them. and until it happens close to home, you really dont understand how horrible and hard it can be. unlike you, i wish him the best and hope to see him turn things around someday because i know he still has it in him to compete on a professional level. but he needs to forget about golf for awhile and concentrate on getting well.

First, enough of the large print response, it's not the culture here at GolfWRX.

Second, what does AP have to do with JD? Did AP piss away so called talent in his prime? Palmer's worse behavior as a golfer doesn't even put him on the radar of JD's antics.

Third, no one is writing off JD because of his alcohol problem without any other understanding of the devastating problems of addiction. He has been given more chances than most, arguably more chances than he deserves. There comes a point in time where you have to exhibit the 'tough love' and turn your back to get the point emphatically across to someone like JD that the attitude of denial is not going to work anymore. Until those around him quit enabling him, the behavior is not going to change. That ranges from his close buddies encouraging him to keep his shirt off when the camera is rolling down to the 'you da man' shouts on the course from knucklehead fans and further down to internet posters who somehow think he deserves sympathy based on this talent.

There are plenty of members here who know quite well how tough it is to have an alcoholic nearby and how to help which means to quit cheering JD on. Until JD makes real changes in his lifestyle and choices, he doesn't really deserve more of the same compassion/time that he has wasted.

..."First, enough of the large print response, it's not the culture here at GolfWRX"
oh geez, sorry!!! then why does WRX give us the option of different size fonts??? is there some kind of rule about using the larger fonts that i dont know about? or is that just your rule? how about bold type. is that OK with you? and fyi, i only increased it from a 2 to a 3....WOW!

..."Second, what does AP have to do with JD?"... You are the one who said Daly is living in the past because he USED to have talent. I'm still not quite sure what you meant by that. A lot of people used to have better game than they do now. So what? You also insinuated JD needs to have some extra shot in his bag that no one else has in order to be considered talented. I'm confused about that statement as well.

..."There are plenty of members here who know quite well how tough it is to have an alcoholic nearby and how to help which means to quit cheering JD on. Until JD makes real changes in his lifestyle and choices, he doesn't really deserve more of the same compassion/time that he has wasted"...

I am one of those members you are referring to. And from your posts I seriously doubt you have had to deal with any type of addiction up close and personal. because if you had, you wouldnt be so quick to pass judgement. I on the other hand have had to deal with someone VERY close to me with an addiction problem. and you dont run out of chances in my book. MOST addicts dont get it right on one or two tries. it takes a looong time. sometimes years to overcome their problems. you're ready to throw JD in the trash after what, 3 years? thats great. 3 years is NOTHING when it comes to addiction. i think you would think differently if you ever had to deal with a loved one who had a serious addiction. i also said that he needs to forget about golf for awhile in order to concentrate on his health

are we not allowed to disagree with marshals on this site or something?

You can disagree all you want.

But get your facts straight. Three years is NOTHING when it comes to addiction??? We're not talking three years with JD, we're talking 15+ on tour of addictive behavior, and by JD's own account, over 20 years.

That's great he doesn't run out of chances in your book, unfortunately for JD the list of people like you is getting so small that his potential for future income to support his lifestyle and the lifestyle of all his ex's/kids is quickly spelling doom. And the saddest fact of them all is the list enabling JD is only made up of people looking to line their own pockets with cash; when that list is done hopefully JD can stay at your house.

i hope you never have to deal with a family member that has an addiction problem as Im sure they would be out on the street, homeless, and forgotten about in no time. its real easy to pass judgement until you've gone thru it yourself. And AGAIN, like I said before, JD needs to forget about golf for awhile so he can get better. How you call that "enabling" is beyond me...Im done (as per your rules: no larger fonts or bold type used)

I'm going to let your post pass simply because it's really not that big of deal to me. But honestly, you will have to admit you do not know a single thing about me or my family, so your assumptions are not only wrong, but they are disrespectful. If you look closely at my posts, you will find I am not passing judgment on JD as a person, I am simply saying that as a golfer, it's time to move on. No more events, no more exemptions, no more sideshows. Whatever goodwill he may have built up in the past has long been exhausted. In my opinion, there are no more excuses where golf is concerned. If JD wants to be back on TV playing golf, then he needs to go out there and earn it.

I can appreciate the possibility that the topic brings up strong emotions in those who have dealt with addictions, so again, I am not too concerned with the replies and the disagreements. Live and let live. It's just my opinion that we can move on and live our golf on TV lives without JD.

Where did I EVER say anything about your family??? Are you serious??? I simply said I hope you never have to deal with this because if you did, you would not be so quick to pass judgement like you have in this thread. and where did i EVER assume anything about your family??? of course i dont know anything about your family. nor do you mine, and you certainly dont know whats really going on in JD's life. you only know what you read... (JD can stay with me)! that isnt disrespectful to me??? So, yeah, i should hope you would let that pass (what did that mean anyway? see what i mean about disagreeing with marshals? its almost as if we cant or else!). Because I was in no way assuming anything about your family. And how you even took it that way is incredible to me.

and once again, like i said several other times, JD needs to forget about golf for awhile so he can get better. how on earth does that translate into i think he deserves sympathy and that i am like one of the enablers???

I read nothing in his autobiography that recognises any problem whatsoever. He talks openly about being wrong about this and that but in the context of individual events. This policeman took this the wrong way and that girl couldn't handle me having a good time, I only had a few beers and fell over.

He struck me as someone who never joined the dots and he still doesn't. His actions don't have lifestyle consequences but they will. The invitations and exemptions keep him going for now but he has gone from being a talented, essentially likeable guy to a figure who is uncomfortable to watch, bloated and purple with rage at missing the cut he hasn't worked to make. As he gets fatter and more ridiculous his demons and subsequent behaviour will worsen.

I really fear for him. He doesn't recognise a problem. He doesn't deserve the privilidge of playing golf for a living but my impression is that he is a decent guy at heart.

I was trying to be nice, but now you are getting on my nerves. You should know the subtle digs about dealing with a marshall does not play here; it's a real quick path to a vacation.

See your earlier posts, you didn't say what you just posted "I simply said I hope you never have to deal with this because if you did, you would not be so quick to pass judgement like you have in this thread." You wrote:

"And from your posts I seriously doubt you have had to deal with any type of addiction up close and personal."
Doubt all you want, but the fact is you do not know anything about what I have had to deal with. And this is the part where you are saying something about my family because you doubt what I have had to deal with it.

"i hope you never have to deal with a family member that has an addiction problem as Im sure they would be out on the street, homeless, and forgotten about in no time."
Remember that one? So now you know how I would deal with it? You are so sure about the be out on the street part?

Stop the nonsense of changing your words around. And think before your next post or better yet, don't post.

Amen Chris.

Pasadena...we get it...you are playing the martyr role. Enough already. Between this and the 3balls thread it is becoming a tired act.