What about keeping him around for Captain again? I think it would be a good move. Will they do it?

I think that he was a very good captain.

Yes,he should be asked to do it again,I am sure that the players would agree.

But there are a lot of guys like Larry Nelson,who have been overlooked and would love a crack at the job.

But I think that Paul showed the passion and commitment to the Ryder Cup that was lacking since Ben Crenshaw.

Yeah would love to have 'Zinger back but what happens if he wins again in two years? do you have him back again....and so on and so on........

I think in the washup there will be some very serious questions asked about the behaviour of certain people associated with the USA team.

Winning is important, but when it is done at the expense of sportsmanship I think many people rightly take a pretty dim view.

What? Like who?

Azinger for starters, and it's nice to read that Weekley has apologised for his carry-on on day 1. I was pretty unimpressed with how far he took that "winding up the crowd" gear.

You are joking, right? The European crowds were just as vocal as the American crowds. The behavior in Boston got out of hand but it has been good since then. I have not seen the American crowds do anything that the European crowds did not do. Unless you know of something that could not be seen on TV.

I don't see what Weekly did wrong. I witnessed Sergio doing that same type of stuff for the past 9 years.

Oh god people are so easily offended.... Lord forbid they stop having fun and act all like stiffs. I am not for it all the time in every event like a John Daly, but the Ryder cup is different, It is after all a team event, just like football or baseball that is what makes it fun and different IMO. If it wasn't I would not watch it.

I am sure all the great players that have played this great event from both teams thought is was priceless as well! Even Azinger was rolling his eyes!

We can't know what anyone else from either team thought about it unless they voice their opinions.....until then....I won't assume what they thought.


My opinion...again.....not a biggie. Quite hilarious actually.

Please stop doling out this tired, and deeply offensive line.

It's getting very, very boring.

The only person who seems to be making sweeping statements and having negative opinions of a particular nation seems to be you - as you amply demonstrate repeatedly in your xenophobic and ignorant posts.

No Kidding. I cant believe how easily people get offended. He was riding his driver like a horse to have a little fun out there for about 5 seconds, big deal! Oh How Disrespectful!!! Well I Never!!! Harrumph Harrumph!!! Give me a break. Have some fun for Christs sake and stop being such stuck-up snobs about this. Good God!

You didn't watch the press conference did you?? If you had, you know what you just said was dead wrong! Zinger loved it and so did the players.

I've personally known Boo for a pretty long time and your trailer trash comment is out of line. He has lived in trailer before, when he didn't have money and when he did have money, but he's certainly not trash. Once again you are dead wrong.

I loved Bo's energy. Likewise I love Sergio's energy when the match goes his way, no matter the location. Granted this type of thing would be out of place at... say the Open or the Masters.

But at the Ryder Cup??

Giddyup!

WOW! Guys it's just golf remember a "game" and you should have some fun or find a sport or hobby you can have fun, Boo is priceless and good for golf and I thought it was great BOTH teams got pumped up over putts and shots, but that is really low to call someone "trailer trash" because he has fun at his job. Are the people that play golf suppose to be so much different than other "team" sports when we play team golf? for me this was one of the best cup matches I have seen in years. JMHO

If you haven't played sports like football, basketball, soccer (Euro football is just awesome!) then you should really just keep your mouth shut about how someone gets himself and his team fired up.

exactly. Its funny how all the commentators on NBC, TGC, CBS, ESPN & the fans here love Boo's personality, yet all the Europeans on this board think he is trash. do you guys even have senses of humors over there? you guys just seem like a bunch of snobby stiffs who dont know how to loosen up and have a little fun (you guys who are bashing Boo I mean). LOOSEN UP AND HAVE SOME FUN! GOLF ISNT ONLY FOR SNOBS ANYMORE!

I am not European, and I am not American. I enjoy watching and playing matchplay, so of course I love the Ryder and Presidents cups. I watch the Ryder with an open mind. I just want to see good golf.

I don't love crowds that celebrate missed putts, though I don't think Weekley meant any malice in winding the crowd up, but I have no doubt he influenced the poor behaviour that followed.

Azinger clearly put winning ahead of anything else. The way he spoke to the British journo at (I think) thr PGA Championship, the way he's reported to have carried on in that bar the other night... he's the captain of a NATIONAL team for God sake!

Thats the kind of captain we want, as long as its within the confines of the rules...Winning is the most important thing.
P.S. if your not from the U.S. chances are your for Europe

OMG, make it stop!!!

and here i thought moderating the BST was painful...reading all the crap being posted by both sides re: the Ryder Cup may cause me to take an extended break from GolfWRX

a small portion of it is entertaining...i'll give you that. the vast majority, however, just makes my head hurt and crushes what little faith in humanity i had.

Disturbing someones swing is not good. However cheering when someone misses a put isn't bad IMO, heck you usually win as a result of a missed put...And most people do cheer when their team wins.

I don't understand how I give my Country a bad name...care to elaborate? I am positive I have never advocated yelling during someones swing, and I can pretty much gaurantee you Azinger didn't either. However cheering when someone misses a put is not all that bad! Missed puts is usually what wins a match, and you generally cheer when your team wins the match..

I also have no clue how he or any member of his team did anything but good things for the cup. They played well. They played fair. And it didn't look like they did anything out of the ordinary to me. If pumping up the crowd is bad for golf, then golf really has no future whatsoever as a spectator sport. Face it, anyone with an audience is going to want them on their side. That is what all of the gestures after a good/great shot are for.

Did Azinger really do that???

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

Boo riding the driver ala Happy Gilmore? Awesome. Love it.
Crowds going nuts for a good shot? Bring it.

Atmosphere and personality are great. Bad manners are not.

I'm not snobby, but I do respect the game and its traditions.

"My bad, it was shagshow who said that, I edited, but too late.

I don't care if Zinger had cancer. Dickheads get cancer too!

I am not a Euro snob. I am an impartial Aussie who can see your captain has done a lot of damage to win a sporting event. Winning is important, but it isn't everything. "

I was at the Ryder Cup, and I was actually preparing for the crowds to be much worse than I anticipated. I was very pleased that people were very quiet while the players were getting ready to swing or during their swings for both teams, and the only person I saw get kicked out in two days was a European photographer who took a picture during Mickelson's swing on the par 5 10th.

As far as your comments about Azinger putting winning above everything else I think you are mistaken. I don't know if you are aware but this is match with very high stakes, and I don't want a captain who makes a bunch of friends with team Europe like we have done in the past. This team took on the demeanor of their coach, and they played tough golf all week and beat a very good team. Don't even start about Azinger's actions since it would be very hypocritical to leave out Seve's comments, Sergio's antics, and the entire European team's antics at the K Club after winning the last time. Like they say about war - the winner's write the final chapter and story.

You ever think they aren't cheering with "Oh yes, i'm so happy he missed that putt" but they are cheering because since he missed that putt it means we have won and can now express our excitement.

Cheering when someone misses a putt is FINE and acceptable. When a guy misses a field goal in Football doesn't the other team cheer? When a soccer (sorry...football for you Euros) player misses a PK the other team and fans cheer right? When a basketball player misses a free throw the other team and fans cheer, right? So who should it be wrong in golf? It is pure competition at its finest and the Euros are looking for something to complain about since they got their lunch handed to them by a sub-par, Tigerless American team with grit and fire.

What about Sergio screaming on the green on Saturday afternoon after making a big putt...before Stricker had a chance to putt. It was that exact action that made Westwood angry about Boo, cheering before everyone putts out. Then Garcia goes insane for finally making a putt...pot, meet kettle!

It was a great competition and the US won fairly, so stop trying to b**** and rain on others' parade.

BTW...what about the Euro team BREAKING THE RULES OF THE RYDER CUP when the assistant captain gave advice on Saturday afternoon when he conceded Hunter Mahan's putt in 17 that was on Phil's line? (I think it was 17) It was clearly breaking the rules of the competition. So stop complaining and let the players enjoy their accomplishment!

thats EXACTLY what i was thinking when i was watching the tournement. I really doubt if the crowd was applauding because a euro missed. i think they were applauding because we either won or halved the hole....

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

You're aware that all those other sports aren't golf, right?

if your competitor missed a putt, you take a deep breath and move on to the next hole to grind it out some more.....but...however...


if your competitor misses a putt and that means you win the match...you get excited and celebrate. that's just the way it is. you're not celebrating your competitor's misfortune....you're celebrating the fact that you won.



take out missed putt and insert goal...or shot....or point.....or touchdown.....or whatever.....and now you have sport. throw in some fans....and now you have spectator sport.

get over it.

No, it isn't actually. Golf is golf. Ettiquite is what it is. The fella in your sig would certainly never cheer an opponent's failure...

Which would be a perfectly acceptable explanation if that were the only time a missed putt was celebrated. We both know that wasn't the case.

Why is it that only the losers make that statement? When in competition, winning is the goal and nothing else is even close. Finishing second with class is worthless in a competition of 2 teams. It has been a great month of sports with the Olympics, Ryder Cup, NFL starting, FedEx Cup Playoffs! Love it!!

but cheering by the fans after the putts were missed was perfectly acceptable, imo, for the reasons already discussed.


we'll have to agree to disagree.



and truly. can you tell me that all those Cup matches across the pond....the euro fans never cheered a missed putt? seriously?

"finishing second with class is worthless"? I think finishing in any position with class shows true character........ask Jack about finishing second with class?

Imsocrabby:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robhodgetts/200...part_three.html

There you go.

Holy crap, you guys just do not get it...NO ONE IS CHEERING THE FAILURE. Understand?!?! They are cheering their hard work and victory! That is all their is to it, if the victory comes from making a putt, great...if it comes from the others missing a putt, great! Is it less of a win since the other guy missed his putt? NO NO NO NO NO. It is still a win and worth cheering.

I guarantee that Payne Stewart was used as inspiration for the US team with Tracy and his kids there this weekend. It was classy for Zinger (and I can not stand the guy) to have the Stewarts there for the competition, because it was Payne's most cherished part of golf.

I agree...but I bet Jack would tell you that none of those seconds were ever as fulfilling as those firsts. Finishing with class is very important...right Sergio?

Thanks for the link.


Exactly how that makes Paul Azinger bad for America or an embarrassment is lost on me. I would bet everyone here and there....on both sides, etc.....has put their foot in their mouth once or twice.

Make up your mind! nobody ever said finishing second was as fulfilling as finishing first! I agree regarding Sergio, but that has nothing to do with your earlier post.

EXACTLY!!! HELLO???? THEY WERE NOT CHEERING THE MISSED PUTTS!!! THEY WERE CHEERING THAT WE WON OR HALVED THAT PARTICULAR HOLE!!!! Did you hear anyone cheer when a Euro ripped a tee shot into a sandtrap??? NO! They werent cheering because they missed the damn putt!!! C'mon you guys??? stop with all the accusations, excuses, complaining, trailer-trash comments, etc!

And when they cheered a ball going into the water?

I realise you will defend it all to the hilt, but I want to give you the privelage to put such a poor attitude and a lack of respect down for all of us to see.

for all of you (on both sides) arguing over the Azinger encouraging cheering missed putts...please read some of the links from this Google News search. it might make you ALL actually THINK about what you're writing before you click the "submit" button:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=...amp;btnG=Search

yes, he said it. no, most fans didn't do it. yes, most fans disagreed with it. yes, zinger actually thinks that Euros doing the same thing across the pond "get it."

puts a little twist on the whole thing, dontchathink?

Read HERE where it says that Azinger was urging the crowd to cheer missed putts. Not acceptable behaviour for ANY Ryder Cup Captain.

Generally I have no problem with the atmosphere that is unique to the Ryder Cup; it certainly stirs people's passion as can be seen in various posts on here. I do have a problem when the whole "win at all costs, second is first loser" rubbish leads to behaviour that crosses the line and results in people calling out in a player's backswing, shouting "miss it" to a player about to putt, or direct abuse of a player and their family.

Let this be the last post on Payne Stewart in this thread, otherwise someone will be gone for the simple fact you cannot show even the least bit of restraint and manners.

This is supposed to be a day to celebrate a great Ryder Cup, a great competition, and the U.S. team finally bringing a winning formula. If you can't manage to participate politely, then don't post.

A journalist is only as good as his accuracy. I know, I am one. If you cannot get such a well-known and crucial fact right, you cannot expect people to believe other things you then write without evidence (ie. the claim that Stewart would hev been Ryder Cup captain).

I haven't argued against Stwart here. Remember it was me who asked Gibby for info on his being disliked as it was something I hadn't heard before.

To answer your question: I need to be technical because without fact you just have claim and counterclaim, as the last page of this thread shows.

EDIT - Didn't see the warning re: PS. Sorry.