ablaesing
Aug 1 2008, 03:40 AM
I love Kenny Perry, he is an American Man, overweight, rarely clean shave, and legitamently looks like he enjoys playing the game. But I am sick of all this hype he is getting from beating fields lacking the best players in the world. He did not play at the British, even though he was qualified, and when he is put up against tough fields, like the WCG this week, he seems to collapse. ANother American man, Rocco, is competing and tearing up the tough fields and even held his own against Tiger (although he was injured). Rocco might not win every week playing Lee Jansen and David Duval, but he will finish Top 20 against, the Ernie Else and Retief Goosens. I will be very disappionted if Perry, and not Mediate, makes the Ryder Cup Team.
paulyboy
Aug 1 2008, 04:36 AM
I don't think you can seriously claim KP is over rated can you?
How many tournaments has he won this year?
And AK, the next big thing, how many has he won in the same time frame?
Paul
villa
Aug 1 2008, 05:04 AM
At the end of the day, KP has had a great season.
The problem I had was when it came to the Open Championship. He's got enough game to win on the "best tour in the world" but doesn't feel comfortable hitting a knock down shot.
nickpoz
Aug 1 2008, 05:10 AM
This is one of the funniest posts ive seen for a while now. Overrated, have you seen the points list or rankings lately?
yuck
Aug 1 2008, 09:21 AM
KP is rated just fine. The money list is tied to performance, so no argument there and the World rankings had him around 20th last I recall which does take into account strength of field etc. If you look at the names around Kenny in the world rankings, I don't think you can make a case for the number 25 or 30 player as better then Kenny in 2008. To be top 20 in the world and 10 days away from age 48 is an accomplishment in itself. Plus, in my opinion, Kenny is not the sort who is full of himself and has ever overrated his own place in the game.
cg460
Aug 1 2008, 09:50 AM
Right now Rocco would be on the team through being 11th on the list and Tiger not playing, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. However, I disagree with KP being overrated, the guy can flat out play. I agree that it was a bad choice to skip the British Open, but look at some of his wins over the past few years. He's won at the Memorial twice, Colonial twice, and Bay Hill once. Those three fields are pretty damn strong.
NikeGolfer
Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM
kenny only plays in the easy tournaments with the no name people, know wonder he has so many wins on tour this year. It was a disgrace when he didnt play in some of the majors this year because he "didnt have a chance to win". There are many better golfers that aren't quitters, that deserve to be on the ryder cup team before him
nodoubles
Aug 1 2008, 11:41 AM
Kenny Perry did win the Memorial which had a top class field. I think for him it's a case of horses for courses. His wins over the years tend to come on the same courses. I think he likes soft greens (don't we all) and courses that favour a significant draw. Pins tucked on the right side also don't turn into birdies. He should not have ducked the US open and the Open Championship, but I think he should still make the Ryder Cup team and definitely over Rocco.
smileykj218
Aug 1 2008, 11:49 AM
QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM)

kenny only plays in the easy tournaments with the no name people, know wonder he has so many wins on tour this year. It was a disgrace when he didnt play in some of the majors this year because he "didnt have a chance to win". There are many better golfers that aren't quitters, that deserve to be on the ryder cup team before him
Ah. It is so refreshing to see people make such ignorant statements. Why watch Comedy Central when I can read comments like this. The Memorial and Buick are just easy tournaments who only attract sub-par players

? Whatever! If your going to feed us your propaganda at least try and give us some sound logic.
1day2day
Aug 1 2008, 11:50 AM
This is so funny. The majority of people Like NIKEGOLFER etc are a JOKE.
They have NO idea what it is like to be 'world class' at ANYTHING.
How dare someon like you, a joe nobody have the front to suggest Kenny Perry is over rated?? What the F&%*????
Sure i am all for decent opinion but guys stop talking total BS.
When you are better than him, then you can call him over rated, until then simply switch offyour tv when the golf is on, either that or go to the bathroom, lift up the seat and flush your opinion down the toilet where it belongs.
OrangeBlood
Aug 1 2008, 12:00 PM
OK...this is without a doubt the dumbest thread I have seen yet on this forum...
Where are you now Johnny? If there was a Phil sux in here will this get deleted to?
CarloGolfer
Aug 1 2008, 12:01 PM
QUOTE(ablaesing @ Aug 1 2008, 04:40 AM)

I will be very disappionted if Perry, and not Mediate, makes the Ryder Cup Team.
I couldn't agree with this statement more. Rocco would add nothing but benefit to a US ryder cup team which seems to have lacked comradery the past few sessions.
How can the US team not feel upbeat and enthusiastic with Rocco on the team?
xdhammerbx
Aug 1 2008, 12:04 PM
kp isnt the greatest golfer, however hes been super consistant this year when he played... yeah we all think he should of gone to the british, but some players just dont like to travel over seas... (thats straight from a tour caddies mouth regarding Perry)
both rocco and perry have played well this year and i think if they continue to play well, they both could end up on the team
Rocco also is a sloppy character, but it just goes with his swagger he presents when he plays... its great!! Rocco is from an area in Pennsylvania where people talk pretty much the same, dresses the same; he is another great example of an american!
lets not bag on this guy... hes won, hes been a runner up this year... give him more credit, he wants to be on the team!!
NikeGolfer
Aug 1 2008, 12:09 PM
QUOTE(1day2day @ Aug 1 2008, 11:50 AM)

This is so funny. The majority of people Like NIKEGOLFER etc are a JOKE.
They have NO idea what it is like to be 'world class' at ANYTHING.
How dare someon like you, a joe nobody have the front to suggest Kenny Perry is over rated?? What the F&%*????
Sure i am all for decent opinion but guys stop talking total BS.
When you are better than him, then you can call him over rated, until then simply switch offyour tv when the golf is on, either that or go to the bathroom, lift up the seat and flush your opinion down the toilet where it belongs.
hahahaha dude calm down a little man, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not. who says your opinion is the only one thats right?!?!? The reason i dare say kenny is overrated is because I and plenty of other people agree that he is. Kenny skipped out on MAJORS just so that it didnt affect his ryder cup chances. People that want to play on the ryder cup team shouldnt pick and choose courses and state that they dont even have a chance to win at certain courses because it doesnt suit their game. Kenny need to lean priorities.
NikeGolfer
Aug 1 2008, 12:12 PM
QUOTE(smileykj218 @ Aug 1 2008, 11:49 AM)

QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM)

kenny only plays in the easy tournaments with the no name people, know wonder he has so many wins on tour this year. It was a disgrace when he didnt play in some of the majors this year because he "didnt have a chance to win". There are many better golfers that aren't quitters, that deserve to be on the ryder cup team before him
Ah. It is so refreshing to see people make such ignorant statements. Why watch Comedy Central when I can read comments like this. The Memorial and Buick are just easy tournaments who only attract sub-par players

? Whatever! If your going to feed us your propaganda at least try and give us some sound logic.
so is it ignorant to say that it is a disgrace to skip majors so it doesnt hurt your ryder cup status and because he fells that he cant win there so you put some effort forth and try
strixgolf
Aug 1 2008, 12:20 PM
This has to be the worst topic ever. Kenny Perry is a hell of a player, and is also a great, great guys. I had the chance to play with him a few years back, and he is a total class act.
He is one of the most talented players in the world. He has a right to decide what tournaments he plays in. He had a goal, which was to make the Ryder Cup. I commend him for doing so, and not following everyone else's advice/thoughts.
I've played with Rocco a few times as well when he lived in Jax. Also, a great guy. But, at the end of the day, I would take KP over Rocco 90% of the time.
mjtoal
Aug 1 2008, 12:32 PM
QUOTE(nickpoz @ Aug 1 2008, 11:10 AM)

This is one of the funniest posts ive seen for a while now. Overrated, have you seen the points list or rankings lately?
Hey Nick, are you gonna have all the flags put on the left side of the greens?
'Cos Kenny likes them that way.
DemolitionMan
Aug 1 2008, 12:33 PM
QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 10:09 AM)

QUOTE(1day2day @ Aug 1 2008, 11:50 AM)

This is so funny. The majority of people Like NIKEGOLFER etc are a JOKE.
They have NO idea what it is like to be 'world class' at ANYTHING.
How dare someon like you, a joe nobody have the front to suggest Kenny Perry is over rated?? What the F&%*????
Sure i am all for decent opinion but guys stop talking total BS.
When you are better than him, then you can call him over rated, until then simply switch offyour tv when the golf is on, either that or go to the bathroom, lift up the seat and flush your opinion down the toilet where it belongs.
hahahaha dude calm down a little man, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not. who says your opinion is the only one thats right?!?!? The reason i dare say kenny is overrated is because I and plenty of other people agree that he is. Kenny skipped out on MAJORS just so that it didnt affect his ryder cup chances. People that want to play on the ryder cup team shouldnt pick and choose courses and state that they dont even have a chance to win at certain courses because it doesnt suit their game. Kenny need to lean priorities.
There are opinions, and then there is total lack of class and respect. Clearly, your post goes way lower than opinion. In case you are not paying much attention, that's thin ice under your feet at the moment.
DemolitionMan
Aug 1 2008, 12:36 PM
QUOTE(strixgolf @ Aug 1 2008, 10:20 AM)

This has to be the worst topic ever. Kenny Perry is a hell of a player, and is also a great, great guys. I had the chance to play with him a few years back, and he is a total class act.
He is one of the most talented players in the world. He has a right to decide what tournaments he plays in. He had a goal, which was to make the Ryder Cup. I commend him for doing so, and not following everyone else's advice/thoughts.
I've played with Rocco a few times as well when he lived in Jax. Also, a great guy. But, at the end of the day, I would take KP over Rocco 90% of the time.
I'm all for a discussion over KP skipping the Open Championship, it was a bit of a disappointment considering he had pretty much accomplished the goal he set out for the year (making the Ryder Cup). But as for the over the top comments regarding him being overrated - classless. There is no way some of you would be spouting off that nonsense to KP's face, so why should we put up with it?
squarre
Aug 1 2008, 12:43 PM
QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 01:12 PM)

QUOTE(smileykj218 @ Aug 1 2008, 11:49 AM)

QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM)

kenny only plays in the easy tournaments with the no name people, know wonder he has so many wins on tour this year. It was a disgrace when he didnt play in some of the majors this year because he "didnt have a chance to win". There are many better golfers that aren't quitters, that deserve to be on the ryder cup team before him
Ah. It is so refreshing to see people make such ignorant statements. Why watch Comedy Central when I can read comments like this. The Memorial and Buick are just easy tournaments who only attract sub-par players

? Whatever! If your going to feed us your propaganda at least try and give us some sound logic.
so is it ignorant to say that it is a disgrace to skip majors so it doesnt hurt your ryder cup status and because he fells that he cant win there so you put some effort forth and try
Most people probably agree that Perry should have played in the British Open, but saying he "only plays in easy tournaments with the no name people" is incorrect. As others have pointed out, he won the Memorial this year, which doesn't come close to an "easy tournament" with "no name people."
Bones01gt
Aug 1 2008, 12:48 PM
I wouldn't say Kenny Perry is overrated because he is a very good player. However, I can say that he ducks competition for the sake of making the Ryder Cup team and positioning himself for a FedEx Cup run. In a way that is a smart gameplan, but at the same time it is also the path of least resistance. He plays for the points and the check as opposed to the acclaim of winning major championships. Nothing wrong with what he is doing, but I can see how it could lead one to make the claim that he is overrated when he is topping watered down leaderboards. Every card holding member of the PGA Tour is awesome, but we all know some events don't attract what we would consider an elite field. Until he plays in and wins a major he's going to be "that guy."
hogans71
Aug 1 2008, 12:54 PM
QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 12:09 PM)

QUOTE(1day2day @ Aug 1 2008, 11:50 AM)

This is so funny. The majority of people Like NIKEGOLFER etc are a JOKE.
They have NO idea what it is like to be 'world class' at ANYTHING.
How dare someon like you, a joe nobody have the front to suggest Kenny Perry is over rated?? What the F&%*????
Sure i am all for decent opinion but guys stop talking total BS.
When you are better than him, then you can call him over rated, until then simply switch offyour tv when the golf is on, either that or go to the bathroom, lift up the seat and flush your opinion down the toilet where it belongs.
hahahaha dude calm down a little man, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not. who says your opinion is the only one thats right?!?!? The reason i dare say kenny is overrated is because I and plenty of other people agree that he is. Kenny skipped out on MAJORS just so that it didnt affect his ryder cup chances. People that want to play on the ryder cup team shouldnt pick and choose courses and state that they dont even have a chance to win at certain courses because it doesnt suit their game. Kenny need to lean priorities.
Lets not get carried away here- KP didnt skip out on the Masters, he was never in the field to begin with. With regards to the US Open, he would have to had gone through a number of qualifying stages to snag a spot there. He had played quite a bit of golf leading up to that and at the age of 48, perhaps felt like he didnt want to go through all that. As far as the British Open is concerned, that to me was a bit of a head scratcher...
"Skipping" majors doesnt affect his Ryder Cup chances, it just wont help his case that much in the standings by doing so. Its not as if they take away his accomplishments for the year...
One last thing- Kenny Perry needing to "lean" his priorities? I think he's got them pretty straight right now. At the age of 48, with a great chance to play for your country in front of his hometown family and friends? Sounds good to me. Wish there were a few others that were as passionate about this event as he is...
sandwedge59
Aug 1 2008, 04:07 PM
Overrated....hmmmm hardly not .. among the best on tour .. probably not in that class either ... but he is a good player , you dont win mutliple times on any professional tour with being a good player ... as for the opinions on Perry not playing the majors .. hogwash ... these players are not tied down to appearring in any tour event and are " independent contractors" so the reserve the right to pick and choose their playing schedule , just as all the other high ranking players do ... so he has choosen not to play in golf courses that do not fit his game , majors or not it's his choice , i just dont believe it makes him any less of a player
poppyhillsguy
Aug 1 2008, 05:04 PM
Does anybody know what Kenny Perry's schedule will be following the PGA? I'm wondering if he's going to shut it down for the season since Ryder Cup points will be off the table. I searched, but don't think he has an official website.
tbowles411
Aug 1 2008, 05:26 PM
Overrated...nope. It's hard to win on any tour. The guy has what 14 wins or something like that? Right now he seems to be looking to exact some revenge on Valhalla when he takes the course for the Ryder Cup. To play for your country is admirable and no one should knock him for that. He's playing very consistently and that will get him where he needs to be. Rocco will either make the team or be a Captain's Pick. Either way, no need to knock the guy down for doing what an "independent contractor" wants to do.
Dizzub
Aug 1 2008, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(villa @ Aug 1 2008, 06:04 AM)

At the end of the day, KP has had a great season.
The problem I had was when it came to the Open Championship. He's got enough game to win on the "best tour in the world" but doesn't feel comfortable hitting a knock down shot.
Bro, hes finished in the top 10 of the Open Championship before, the man obviously can play a knockdown shot. I mean, would you take a top 10 at the Open? Hes 47 years old and doesn't care to travel halfway across the world when hes happy staying in Milwaukee. Who cares honestly? Dude has more game than me and you combined and you think he can't play a knockdown? C'mon now.
diehardgolfer32
Aug 1 2008, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(NikeGolfer @ Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM)

kenny only plays in the easy tournaments with the no name people, know wonder he has so many wins on tour this year. It was a disgrace when he didnt play in some of the majors this year because he "didnt have a chance to win". There are many better golfers that aren't quitters, that deserve to be on the ryder cup team before him
So you're calling the Memorial, the Buick Open, and the John Deer easy tournaments? And you're calling the players who are in these no namers. Obviously you're one of those "golf fans" that only watches for the closing minutes on Sunday of majors. In these tournaments that he has won, he beat guys like Justin Rose, Mike Weir, Bubba Watson, Rocco Mediate, Phil Mickleson, Luke Donald, Jim Furyk, Zack Johnson, Ernie Els, and so on and so on. If you havn't heard these names then you've been living under a rock!
Mr. Fair
Aug 1 2008, 06:00 PM
KP is by no means overrated; however, I have become concerned lately that his focus is so concentrated on the Ryder Cup. It seems as though every interview makes some mention of it. I may be way off here, but I think he might be setting himself up for a big disappointment. Golf is such a fickle game--for everyone other than Tiger and the Euro Ryder Cup team in recent history. I think KP's uber-focus might affect his play. Sometimes even the greatest get too consumed in the personal importance and history of what they are trying to accomplish. I hope I'm wrong because it would be fun to enjoy the Ryder Cup again. Lately, watching it has been as much fun as taking a final exam.
LookatmeonTOUR
Aug 1 2008, 09:18 PM
I think some people on this site lose the most important part of golf and that is the enjoyment factor. Clearly most of you on here speaking poorly of Kenny Perry have never seen him play or hit balls in real life. He hits is so pure and consistent his game is good enough to beat anyone, anywhere. Kenny Perry is not Tiger Woods and obviously doesn't have the same goals. He doesn't aspire to break Nicklaus's records or even win a major for that matter. Kenny has stated that he has always dreamed on playing on the Ryder Cup team, so with that being the case why does it matter what tournaments he plays. I'm sure when he is cashing first place checks he doesn't care who played or what tournament it was. Most people on here need to remember that as you go play your local municipal golf course, how much you would love to be Kenny Perry. I personally want to see both him and mediate on the team and frankly with them the Americans might act as if they are playing for the country and not for a paycheck. Kenny signs autograph is gracious to the media and enjoyed himself on the golf course and is well liked on tour. let's remember and compare the guy he is to say Rory (I cannot stand your guts) Sabbatini. most of you on this topic are ignorant and remember I highly doubt Kenny Perry gives a damn what your opinion of him is. Remember that when you go home to your apartment, go play your local muni, and put your clubs in your used car's trunk, while Kenny is laughing all the way to the bank. i doubt Kenny cares if he nevers wins a major and that is what makes him different and such a breath of fresh air. How many major winners where one shot wonders? I'll start...
-Shaun Micheel
-Todd Hamilton
-Rich Beem
-Ben Curtis
What makes me laugh is most of you talk crap about kenny but if you met him you'd kiss his butt like a little kid! Hey posters you have brown stuff all over your nose.
MCCA
Aug 1 2008, 09:39 PM
WOW if he's overrated I'd sure like to trade bank accounts & Careers KP is solid he's made over $25+ Million over his career on tour he's almost 50 years old and still hits a golf ball 300 yards. Their are guys that can't get through Q school let alone win on tour and your calling him overrated
gregcindyh
Aug 2 2008, 12:20 AM
People who when multiple events on tour are not overated, just rich and get paid to play what you and I wish we were doing!
tbowles411
Aug 2 2008, 12:39 AM
QUOTE(MCCA @ Aug 1 2008, 10:39 PM)

WOW if he's overrated I'd sure like to trade bank accounts & Careers KP is solid he's made over $25+ Million over his career on tour he's almost 50 years old and still hits a golf ball 300 yards. Their are guys that can't get through Q school let alone win on tour and your calling him overrated

shepdog
Aug 2 2008, 07:21 AM
It is very important to play in the Ryder Cup this year because I believe it is in his backyard. Alot of players skip events that are at venues they don't perform at well. He did was was necessary to mke the team by WINNING 3 times. To think a guy that has won plenty of top tour events over the years is overrated is ignorance.
mjtoal
Aug 2 2008, 07:27 AM
Just to be pedantic, it is perfectly possible for multiple event winners or major winners to be overrated. Overrated is not an absolute term (such as legend or journeyman), it means they are not as good as rated, and these guys are all rated differently. So if KP is rated by some as one of the best golfers in the world, I would say he is overrated. If he is rated as a veteran player with plenty of Tour wins but not in the first tier because he has no majors (or WGC events) then he is probably not overrated.
If he rates himself as someone who can't play links and therefore does not even try, he is something else entirely.
shepdog
Aug 2 2008, 07:35 AM
Who's better? A bunch of guys who play in all the majors but have not won anything?
mjtoal
Aug 2 2008, 07:45 AM
QUOTE(shepdog @ Aug 2 2008, 01:35 PM)

Who's better? A bunch of guys who play in all the majors but have not won anything?
Depends. Maybe they [the bunch] are not overrated?
I have more time for people who try to win things than duck them.
KP is a very good PGA Tour player having a great season. But he is not now, nor will ever be, one of the games greats or legends.
If there was a special category for players playing left sided flags and dogleg lefts, he might rise further in the rankings.
cbassgolf
Aug 2 2008, 07:47 AM
Given the United States record in the Ryder Cup over the last decade maybe we need more guys like KP. He wants to represent his country and has done evertyhing possible this year to make that happen. IF you want to start bashing someone lets talk about Hunter Mahan and comments. KP overrated, you are high!
mjtoal
Aug 2 2008, 08:00 AM
QUOTE(cbassgolf @ Aug 2 2008, 01:47 PM)

Given the United States record in the Ryder Cup over the last decade maybe we need more guys like KP. He wants to represent his country and has done evertyhing possible this year to make that happen. IF you want to start bashing someone lets talk about Hunter Mahan and comments. KP overrated, you are high!
Listen, mate, I am delighted KP will represent his country. The European team are already shaking in their Footjoys.
Mahan has already shown himself to be a fool, so he can come too!
nodoubles
Aug 2 2008, 09:06 AM
When was the last time a 47 year old won 3 times in one season? Overrated...I don't think so.
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