Lgolfer
Jul 30 2008, 07:34 AM
Being a female golfer, I'm quite curious as what men think when they are paired with a woman.
I often go out to the course by myself and am placed with a group of men.
Are there any pre-conceived biases that you have personally if a woman joins your group? Does having a woman join you affect the way you play your game?
Just wondering.
matthewb
Jul 30 2008, 07:40 AM
No difference to me. I wouldn't prejudge you based on your biology.
soundofatrain
Jul 30 2008, 07:51 AM
actually i welcome it, helps offset the testosterone
MrMom
Jul 30 2008, 07:54 AM
QUOTE(Lgolfer @ Jul 30 2008, 08:34 AM)

Being a female golfer, I'm quite curious as what men think when they are paired with a woman.
I often go out to the course by myself and am placed with a group of men.
Are there any pre-conceived biases that you have personally if a woman joins your group? Does having a woman join you affect the way you play your game?
Just wondering.
If you are looking for opinions here are mine:
You have your macho types that still meet the stereo type. Now with them you will need to prove yourself. If you can golf your ball you still may not win them over. That being said if you are easier on the eyes you may win them over faster, for reasons I cannot got into because of the politically Correct Police that monitor this site. But it is a fact all the same.
I think the Macho types are far and few in between these days most people are out to have a good time. If your are not slowing the group down and keeping the marshall off the group's back then there should not be a problem. If you have game you may even upset some men, because you will be out playing them, so be it in that case.
Some guys may feel their style is being cramped because they might not be able to be as raunchy with the conversation. There maybe some resentment in that case.
Sometimes when I am a single I feel I am interrupting a personal match that is going in the group. When this is the case I always make sure I am the last to tee off, and give a large amount of room and courtesy on the greens. You can tell when they appreciate it, basically I just say I am along for the ride and I do not want to get in the way, let me know if I am.
Usually I am a single when I go out. So I have the flip side. Being a single I had the pleasure being paired with with women a few times because. It did not affect my game at all. The women I have all played with were faster than most guys. Also. who would I rather see bending over to get the ball out of the hole (Yes there is a littel Carl Spakler in me I guess). PC Police may go after me for that comment. No brainier. We may be happily married, but come on we are not dead. Go ahead and work it.
Good Luck, What part of the country do you play in?
retep
Jul 30 2008, 07:59 AM
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the ONLY downside with playing with women is that when you have to go to the toilet (#1) it has to be done very subtly/ secretly...
blade_man
Jul 30 2008, 07:59 AM
How does it make you feel when paired with men? Same situation, should be no difference. I like being paired with someone that can actually play and not shoot 100+ men or women! Got paired with a lady and two men from Canada several years back after a flight layover, first thought "oh gseee" but on the first tee she out drove me by 10+ yards so ended up being a great day! Really enjoyed their company (two guys couldn't speak english so she translated) so I don't mind as long as they can "play" and it(playing with with a woman) doesn't alter my game
eaglecabport
Jul 30 2008, 08:00 AM
while it rarely happens, I do enjoy playing with women. As a person who usually goes out to the course alone as well, I never know who I will play with.
One reason I enjoy playing with women is what is mentioned above - it offsets the testosterone in a group. Also, while in general the men are nice as well, women almost as a norm are very nice people to play with based on their demeanor and attitude towards the game and great conversationalists. They want to score well, of course, but you do not often see tempers after bad shots and even if ther eis frustration, the language is usually much nicer.
That said, my first pre-conception is, I would say, not unfounded. They will tend to be shorter hitters. You will obviously stop again at another tee box for her to hit. However, these are not bad things at all, so long as she or they keep up with the pace of play. That statement goes for all golfers though and NOT just women. I played with a guy in a tourney the other day that took long enough for 2 people. It was so painful that I had to look the other way during his pre-shot routine (as though he read a chapter of War and Peace before each shot). So that statement goes for ANYbody I play with.
Heck, if you lived in Houston, I would say "let's go play a round" because I am sure it would be fun with good conversation and lighten up the seriousness in a round.
Baller
Jul 30 2008, 08:02 AM
It matters not about gender, but only if you can hit your golf ball reasonable well. That is the case with any and everybody; Isn't it? I think it would be cool to play with a woman who could play golf well.
Lgolfer
Jul 30 2008, 08:13 AM
QUOTE(retep @ Jul 30 2008, 07:59 AM)

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the ONLY downside with playing with women is that when you have to go to the toilet (#1) it has to be done very subtly/ secretly...
That is so true! I was with a group of men and after coming out of the porta-pottie one said "oh - so THAT's what they look like on the inside!"
tbowles411
Jul 30 2008, 09:15 AM
QUOTE(soundofatrain @ Jul 30 2008, 08:51 AM)

actually i welcome it, helps offset the testosterone

+1
I makes me become more patient with my shots...
Giantbear
Jul 30 2008, 09:21 AM
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the ONLY downside with playing with women is that when you have to go to the toilet (#1) it has to be done very subtly/ secretly...
This is the only downside due to gender.
Funny story, playing 10 years ago with a good friend who is a terrible golfer we were paired with two women. One of them had a horrific first hole so he takes it upon himself to give her on course lessons in a very demeaning manner. She tells him to go stuff it and proceeds to beat him by over 10 strokes out driving him several times. I had a hard time not allowing my laughter to interfere with my swing.
stage1350
Jul 30 2008, 09:26 AM
All it means is that I try to curse less and have someone else to hit on besides the beer cart girl.
phil75070
Jul 30 2008, 09:51 AM
Man, woman, makes no difference. The enjoyment is relative to the personalities involved, and the game secondarily.
drstroud
Jul 30 2008, 11:15 AM
Does not bother me one bit. I acutally enjoy it when on the rare instance I am paired with a woman.
rogue
Jul 30 2008, 11:37 AM
I walk on alot and usually have great experince meeting new people. Everyonce in a while you run into a bad apple not very often. Slow players (not skill level) are the only thing I dread.
Tenementrock
Jul 30 2008, 12:40 PM
It makes no difference. Alls I ever care about is that a person plays at reasonable pace and is golf-polite. I would actually like to see more ladies on the golf course, I hardly see any as it is.
littlepingman
Jul 30 2008, 12:49 PM
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the ONLY downside with playing with women is that when you have to go to the toilet (#1) it has to be done very subtly/ secretly...
Not always. I was paired with a woman one time that decided she couldn't wait to get to the bathroom to go #1. So she just pulled down her pants and squatted by a bush while basically being in plain view of any person that took a notion to watch. Definitely one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had on a golf course...
Ronzo
Jul 30 2008, 01:00 PM
QUOTE(littlepingman @ Jul 30 2008, 01:49 PM)

QUOTE(retep @ Jul 30 2008, 08:59 AM)

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the ONLY downside with playing with women is that when you have to go to the toilet (#1) it has to be done very subtly/ secretly...
Not always. I was paired with a woman one time that decided she couldn't wait to get to the bathroom to go #1. So she just pulled down her pants and squatted by a bush while basically being in plain view of any person that took a notion to watch. Definitely one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had on a golf course...
Weirdest I've ever seen was when I was paired with another man and two female off-duty Nassau County Police Officers in the late afternoon at Eisenhower Park in East Meadow, NY about 15 years ago. The two women were pretty attractive. The other guy mishit a drive and ended up short of the red tees. Both women insisted that the "Ladies Tee Rule" be in effect for him. Sounds cool, but I was pretty embarassed.

And NO, he did not follow through. They busted his shoes all afternoon about it, too.
I like playing with women, especially if they're good players. The pace is more relaxed, and the lower testosterone level seems to allow me to concentrate better.
imsocrabby
Jul 30 2008, 01:13 PM
you don't see ladies at the course that often for a few reasons....
there aren't that many that actually play the game and many of them that that do are intimidated by the men.
for the most part, men that i get paired with are great. i grew up in the game, played with my Dad and his buddies...and got no special treatment....i guess you could say that I 'look the part'. but i have definitely been on the receiving end of some eyerolls and backhanded remarks. you can tell the ones who are welcoming...and the ones who aren't. making up excuses about how they're in a hurry or they have a game going.....meh..whatever dude. i always tell them that i'll keep to myself and stay on pace or i can hit first and play out of their way. i can usually tell by demeanor on the tee, sticks in the bag, etc....who really has game. it's the ones that don't and then have attitude to boot....i'd rather play alone. those are the guys that as i step up to the tee they feel the need to tell me that the LADIES TEE is UP THERE. That's when I tell them that I don't want to slow them up so I'll just hit back with them....to save time.
for the most part.....it's always a good experience. as in life....always bad apples though.
ejmac
Jul 30 2008, 01:35 PM
I have absolutely no problem being paired up with Lady golfers. Every time I have it has been a very enjoyable round without the foul mouth language and temper tantrems. I actually prefer it.
JASONR5
Jul 30 2008, 03:31 PM
Playing with women is the same as playing with beginners, hackers and people who use iron headcovers, just don't play slow.
Like people say nobody cares if you're good or bad, only if you play slow.
If you don't like getting paired up with people you don't know, find a foursome to play with.
crazygolfnut
Jul 30 2008, 06:37 PM
I play with my wife and other couples. I find it refreshing to play with women. We still play games like skins etc and women are just as competitive as men. Also, they usually have better manners.
golfdad907
Jul 30 2008, 07:14 PM
I like playing with women, doesn't bother me who I get paried with as long as they can play at decent pace, aren't whiners and no whirlybirds. Women tend to have more fun, have better swing tempo than most men I meet, and talk about things other than golf and 'women'.
BluesDrive
Jul 31 2008, 06:54 AM
I always think women give me dirty looks for smoking. That's just about the only pre-conceived notion I have of them. As for the whole toilet situation, I really don't care who I'm with. I'll say I've got to take a dump. There are many ways I have of saying it, but I won't go into detail.
larrybud
Aug 3 2008, 09:12 PM
QUOTE(Lgolfer @ Jul 30 2008, 08:34 AM)

Being a female golfer, I'm quite curious as what men think when they are paired with a woman.
I often go out to the course by myself and am placed with a group of men.
Are there any pre-conceived biases that you have personally if a woman joins your group? Does having a woman join you affect the way you play your game?
My buddy and I today played 36 holes, and for the 2nd 18, we asked to be joined up with another two-some. Luckily a couple was coming off of 9, and they agreed to join us on #10.
It was a blast. She could hit it really well off the tee (a good 200 yards), and played ready golf. In fact, she out drove her husband a couple of times, although he would try to make you believe it was because of the different tee boxes ;-)
We were all of similar age (35-39) and had a great time. After a couple of holes she said that she gets nervous when playing with other people, especially when she was with 3 guys because she feels like she holds people up sometimes. I told her not to worry, as she was a quick player and even if she topped a couple (like she did), it really didn't take any longer to play because she was always ready to go. I also mentioned that the goal is to keep pace with the group in front, and we were right on their tail the whole time.
It also didn't hurt that she was a hottie.
larrybud
Aug 3 2008, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(golfdad907 @ Jul 30 2008, 08:14 PM)

I like playing with women, doesn't bother me who I get paried with as long as they can play at decent pace, aren't whiners and no whirlybirds. Women tend to have more fun, have better swing tempo than most men I meet, and talk about things other than golf and 'women'.
What the heck is a "whirlybird"??
TitleistWI
Aug 3 2008, 10:08 PM
I dont have a problem being paired with a woman. As long as she keeps pace and isnt too annoying, Im fine with being paired with a woman.
I wouldnt feel that I have to act differently. Im a polite, respectful, soft-spoken gentleman regardless of if Im around women or men, so its not as if playing with a woman would cramp my style.
kevcarter
Aug 3 2008, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(TitleistWI @ Aug 3 2008, 10:08 PM)

I dont have a problem being paired with a woman. As long as she keeps pace and isnt too annoying, Im fine with being paired with a woman.
I wouldnt feel that I have to act differently. Im a polite, respectful, soft-spoken gentleman regardless of if Im around women or men, so its not as if playing with a woman would cramp my style.
Did you really just say that out loud?
Kevin
JDorfler
Aug 3 2008, 10:39 PM
I goof around more when I'm paired with a lady, and have a lot more fun. I have yet to find an ultra serious female golfer. I'll do crap like run up onto the green and tell them to hit at me, catch the ball and toss it towards the hole and yell "Nice shot, Tiger'd be jealous." I'll also yell, "Change balls" and hit her ball and let her hit mine. To be honest, I wouldn't know what to do if an ultra serious female golfer ever played with me. It'd throw me for a loop. I also think it helps that I play with my girlfriend a lot as well. It really helps the ladies loosen up and have a good time. I find when a lady knows she's safe and isn't being judged they have a lot more fun.
idiotbox
Aug 3 2008, 10:50 PM
I have been paired with only one lady and she cold smoked me. She played at Auburn and could flat out golf her ball. To top it off, she was very easy on the eyes.
I recently played with a mini tour player and his wife and she shot 75 from the forward tees. approx 6600 yds.
scotchblade
Aug 3 2008, 10:53 PM
I go out as a single all the time and never know who I'll be paired with. I do get paired with women on occasion and it is always a pleasant experience. There were a couple of times when I was thrown off.
Last year a very attractive - and I do mean attractive - woman from the Florida Gators golf team was in our group. The combination of her good looks and solid play did have an effect on me, but a good time was had by all.
Then years (decades) ago, I was in a junior tourney at Pasatiempo and was the odd man out so I got paired with three cuties in the girls division. Being the dorky, pimply faced teen that I was, I nearly fell apart in their presence.
blade_man
Aug 4 2008, 05:16 AM
You never thrown a club? That my friend is a whirlybird!
QUOTE(larrybud @ Aug 3 2008, 10:13 PM)

QUOTE(golfdad907 @ Jul 30 2008, 08:14 PM)

I like playing with women, doesn't bother me who I get paried with as long as they can play at decent pace, aren't whiners and no whirlybirds. Women tend to have more fun, have better swing tempo than most men I meet, and talk about things other than golf and 'women'.
What the heck is a "whirlybird"??
Five by Five
Aug 4 2008, 11:19 AM
just suck in my gut a little more and try to keep it in the fairways.
dirtyboy
Aug 4 2008, 11:24 AM
I play 95% of my rounds with my wife. I've noticed some slow groups are reluctant to let us play through as we are fast players.
mjc694
Aug 5 2008, 08:46 AM
I enjoy a woman's company on the golf course. Especially if she is a stick, but Ive played with lots of women in my golf career, and never really had a problem with any of them. I think women in general are VERY concerned about pace of play (more men should be so concerned), and i think women are usually in better humor on the golf course.
I played yesterday in a charity scramble with two women who could not have been more gracious, or more fun to be on the golf course with. Our team had no shot, but we made the absolute best of it, and enjoyed our day, even played better than expected.
women rock.
You can pair me with a woman on or off course anywhere. I love them all. I don't even care if they play good or bad.
kamtile
Aug 5 2008, 08:55 AM
I enjoy it . Women have a different perspective of the game than most of us guys .They seem to get over a bad shot more easily and quickly than we do .
blade_man
Aug 5 2008, 09:01 AM
QUOTE(Five by Five @ Aug 4 2008, 12:19 PM)

just suck in my gut a little more and try to keep it in the fairways.

Seriously, I know where you are coming from!
Viking Golfer
Aug 5 2008, 02:23 PM
MY GF is an avid golfer and I play a lot of golf with her.
She's quite easy on the eyes too, so when ever we play in a foursome with 2 men, I sometimes laugh to myself, because I can see the two guys obviously try to impress my GF with some extra long teeshots, that usually ends up in the bushes

I like female company on the golf course, and hope more ladies would play golf in Denmark, where I come from. They are often more relaxed, play shorter but straighter shots and on rare occasions, they're also very easy on the eyes, which makes the round that much more of a pleasure

If I get in a foursome with a pretty looking lady, I often try to top a tee shot some where on the round, so it won't go farther than the red tee box - so I HAVE to buy the lady a beer in the restaurant after the round......just kidding
Grogger31
Aug 5 2008, 03:12 PM
Love the ladies ... especially ladies with some game. However, bad women golfers can be painful. (Just being honest here).
I summarized, on another forum, a golf outing (scramble format) where I got put in a foursome with the worst golfer I've ever seen ... and possible the worst golfer there has ever been. I'm sorry to say it was a woman and she claimed to play in a woman's league twice a week.
The two drives we had to use of hers went 30 and 40 yards respectively. Good thing we used them when we did, because they were the only drives we found of hers all day. Just a few highlights:
1. She swung and missed 3 times on the 8th tee ... one time taking a divot at least 4 inches deep.
2. She went to the 11th tee, put her tee in the ground, took 2 practice swings and finally figured out at address that she didn't bring a ball with her.
3. She hit a 4 foot uphill putt 28 feet past the hole! It was an UPHILL putt! It was the closest to the pin hole so there was a tape measure there. As she walked back to the cart, I secretly measured how far she went past. Luckily it was a 30-foot tape.
As already stated, it was fun and she certainly made it memorable. Holy %!#$%!#$!
That said, there aren't enough women on the course, IMHO. See, I got all the way through that without once describing my love for golf skirts. Ummm ... ooops.
TitleistWI
Aug 5 2008, 04:07 PM
QUOTE(KevCarter @ Aug 3 2008, 10:39 PM)

QUOTE(TitleistWI @ Aug 3 2008, 10:08 PM)

I dont have a problem being paired with a woman. As long as she keeps pace and isnt too annoying, Im fine with being paired with a woman.
I wouldnt feel that I have to act differently. Im a polite, respectful, soft-spoken gentleman regardless of if Im around women or men, so its not as if playing with a woman would cramp my style.
Did you really just say that out loud?
Kevin
LOL...indeed I did. What I mean by, "annoying" is that she doesnt ramble on and on about herself and her personality isnt too bubbly.
Im all for a little conversation on the course, but Im mostly there to focus on my game.
FlyFish
Aug 5 2008, 04:12 PM
The only thing that matters is pace of play.
Bluefan75
Aug 6 2008, 10:31 AM
I was playing an afternoon round on a saturday or sunday at my old club. I was out by myself, and kept waiting on the two women ahead. Not that they were slow, just that there were two of them. So I tried to get up to speed enough to join them, since there was traffic ahead of them.
At the turn, they saw me and asked if I wanted to play through. I told them actully I was figuring on joining them. Their jaws hit the floor. They couldn't believe that a guy at the club wanted to play with them. It had never occurred to me to play through. I figured joining up would relax the pace a little, give a chance to breathe. Still got around in a good pace, and made two new acquaintances at the club!
There are three ladies who get the first tee time every weekend because they play in about 2.5 hours walking. I've joined them a few times. They are great ladies, but they actually play a little too fast for me. I do like to take a moment on the green. They still just step up and hit it!
There was also a younger girl who went to LIU on a scholarship. She would come back and play from the blues with us, and hold her own. If we weren't sharp, she'd hand us our lunch!
There were some women there I would not play with, ever. But there were also some guys I would not play with, ever, so...just don't slow things down.
umpiremark
Aug 29 2008, 01:28 PM
If your scenario is true (you're a single looking to get in a round) and get paired with "us" it must mean "we're" down one player and looking for a fourth. As previously stated, if you're not slow (male or female with that one), "Welcome aboard." My guess would be that if you're a single looking to get in a round, odds are you aren't bad and probably not slow. If you have that much confidence to bump onboard into a threesome, it's pretty good chances that you'd probably kick my @ss out there. I'll golf with any four people who are light and have fun but play decent right along with me. Golf is serious, but needs to be serious fun, not cut-throat. Welcome aboard and let's have some fun.
Zurbert82
Sep 8 2008, 05:54 PM
I played golf for my high school team and was frequently paired in matches with a woman on my team who was 2 years my junior. She could flat out hit the ball, and actually created quite a bit of jealousy amongst other team members. Being of high school age, our competitors and even fellow team mates had stereotypical pre-conceived notions about her. She was pretty quiet during matches which probably intimidated some of the guys, rather than the other way around. She now plays on the Futures Tour. I can't recall being paired with any women of note since, but I am trying to convince my GF to join me out there, after lessons of course.
sigmapete1
Sep 10 2008, 09:10 AM
Pair me with a woman who is fun to play golf with any day over some of the men I've been paired with that are: overly competitive(relax, I don't even know you), attempt to explain to me why my ball curved (to which I responded, because the hole curves and I made it do that), go bonkers after every shot they miss (hey buddy don't get so upset, your just not good), take 5 minutes to hit a shot (and end up hitting the 90yd PW out of bounds), or are just plain terrible to be around for 4 hours (spent the whole round telling me how much he hated Tiger. On 18, I said "Well its obvious you don't like him, you are playing exactly the opposite of how he plays...terrible").
If they are my age (27) or younger, attractive, and have game, I'll be in heaven (and probably ask her to marry me).
Women are CERTAINLY not a problem on the golf course. A** Holes of any gender are!
Any NJ women on here...I'll be happy to get paired with you any day.
nebatty
Sep 10 2008, 09:43 AM
All it does is impair my cursing.
Several years ago a friend and I were paying and the course was jammed up in front of us. A pair of high school girls that my friend knew were behind us and he asked if they wanted to join us since we were all waiting. On the eighth hole, par four with a creek just short of the green I always used driver. Tried to smash one and sliced it into the cart shed. Both girls used fairway woods and hit to within 10 yards of the creek in the fairway. I felt like a complete a**. Found out later both had qualified for state golf tourement and one of them had won it two years in a row. Moral of the story, don't judge a book by its cover and trying to show off usually gets you in the cart shed!
Blues Golfer
Sep 16 2008, 09:43 PM
Guess I was lucky, my older sister was a competitive amateur and my mom, taking the game up at 40, regularly shot in the 90's and would complain about people playing too dang slow. Letting my sister tee off from the shorter tees always made it tough. We've had some great matches over the years.
When I was a junior I had to play against one of the best young female golfers in the state. I won, but not by much.
I guess because of that, when I see a woman playing, I keep my assumptions to myself.
Recently I had the chance to play a private course, and the Head Pro there is a woman. When she invited me to come out and play a round, I asked if she'd play with me. Despite not playing much lately, she said she would. She teed off from the Blues like I did. We both played well and we had a great time. That was one of the most fun rounds I've played this year.
78blades
Sep 26 2008, 05:49 AM
QUOTE(Lgolfer @ Jul 30 2008, 05:34 AM)

Being a female golfer, I'm quite curious as what men think when they are paired with a woman.
I often go out to the course by myself and am placed with a group of men.
Are there any pre-conceived biases that you have personally if a woman joins your group? Does having a woman join you affect the way you play your game?
Just wondering.
Since I'm a dyed in the wool bachlor I don't mine golfing with women and many times its a nice change of pace.
SpeedyPro
Oct 6 2008, 03:57 PM
QUOTE(Lgolfer @ Jul 30 2008, 08:34 AM)

Being a female golfer, I'm quite curious as what men think when they are paired with a woman.
I often go out to the course by myself and am placed with a group of men.
Are there any pre-conceived biases that you have personally if a woman joins your group? Does having a woman join you affect the way you play your game?
Just wondering.
Pre-conceived biases, yes I have. Most of women golfers I know and I have played with, are not good. They are not good between the tee box and the green, which means they spend a lot of time until we get to the green, which means I have less time to read the green and try to reduce my critical shot (putting).
And by some unknown reason, women golfers I played with do not find their ball very well.
Other than that, there's nothing biased. I wish someday I could see women golfers who play 80's or lower.
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