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wolfgame
Please do not let this phrase catch on....drives me nuts every time they say it.
Can we find another way to butcher the english language? Where the heck did this start to catch on with announcers?
Hifade
Agreed.....drives me nuts too and tey all say it now. Say goes for the people that say "incentivize." They say things like, "we can incentivize the salesforce." What's wrong with "we can incent the salesforce?"

The language butchers are rampant these days. People make stuff up anymore. Sorry for the rant but this stuff puts me on a roll.
bulldog8b
Ohhh, don't even get me started on people who can't speak English good (haha). I can't stand it when people say " I seen Bill at the store". NOOOO!! You SAW him. Conversate makes me want to shoot people. YOUR a nice guy mildly irratates me. Prolly drives me nuts.

I better stop or I might could be hear all nite.

Oh, 3 metal makes me want to hit Johnny Miller with my 3 wood.

BTW, what does a good teach mean? Like when you see somebody else putt on the same line?
99andaflake
QUOTE(Hifade @ Jul 11 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Agreed.....drives me nuts too and tey all say it now. Say goes for the people that say "incentivize." They say things like, "we can incentivize the salesforce." What's wrong with "we can incent the salesforce?"

The language butchers are rampant these days. People make stuff up anymore. Sorry for the rant but this stuff puts me on a roll.


I'm with you on "incentivize". Out of interest, is "incent" actually a word used in American dictionaries? In my Oxford English dictionary there is no entry for incent; incentive is defined as "tending to incite". So in my mind, your statement would be "we can incite the salesforce" or better still, "we can motivate the salesforce".

I'm well aware langauge is constantly evolving but why do people keep inventing words that make them sound like twats!?
astamm8
i would say that incent is not a typical american word, but it is in many dictionaries.

the thing is, incent is a neologism (just like incentivize) that was 'created' 25 or so years ago to be a verb form of incentive. incentivize was 'created' for the same purpose. (they are not in many dictionaries because they are both quite new and not recognized by many sources). in fact, i believe incentivize predates incent. there is no verb that that is traditionally formed from the incent part of incentive. as 99 suggests above, the root of incentive is incite. so any claim that incent is more correct or older than incentivize would, i believe, be misguided.

to my ear, they're both pretty brutal.
mookie
I guess I'll jump in too...

How about "invite"? Since when has it been OK to use as a noun? I've always thought the word was "invitation." Nowadays, you'll have a lot of people who will say, "Thanks for the invite, but I'm playing 9 holes with my dad on Friday."

It doesn't bother me too much, but since we're all venting....

99andaflake
QUOTE(astamm8 @ Jul 11 2008, 07:40 PM) *
i would say that incent is not a typical american word, but it is in many dictionaries.

the thing is, incent is a neologism (just like incentivize) that was 'created' 25 or so years ago to be a verb form of incentive. incentivize was 'created' for the same purpose. (they are not in many dictionaries because they are both quite new and not recognized by many sources). in fact, i believe incentivize predates incent. there is no verb that that is traditionally formed from the incent part of incentive. as 99 suggests above, the root of incentive is incite. so any claim that incent is more correct or older than incentivize would, i believe, be misguided.

to my ear, they're both pretty brutal.


Thanks teach!
DefConOne
What about "free gift"? Isn't a gift by its very nature free?
Why do park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?
I could go on...
matthewb
I doubt that any of us will put it better than George Orwell did.
Hifade
AGREED. "Incite" is definitely the root. "Incite," used as a verb, is the correct usage, but also sounds odd since "incite" is generally used when referring to one's actions when antagonizing a mob.

Good call though.

Cardo


QUOTE(astamm8 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:40 AM) *
i would say that incent is not a typical american word, but it is in many dictionaries.

the thing is, incent is a neologism (just like incentivize) that was 'created' 25 or so years ago to be a verb form of incentive. incentivize was 'created' for the same purpose. (they are not in many dictionaries because they are both quite new and not recognized by many sources). in fact, i believe incentivize predates incent. there is no verb that that is traditionally formed from the incent part of incentive. as 99 suggests above, the root of incentive is incite. so any claim that incent is more correct or older than incentivize would, i believe, be misguided.

to my ear, they're both pretty brutal.
warner41
It is amazing that educated people (at least H.S.) cannot use the only language they speak properly. Years ago when I owned a restaurant one of my competitors down the street put "Congradulations Graduates" up on his sign. I got such a kick out of it I put "We spel guud" on my sign and got a ton of unexpected business that day as people were curious. "Congradulations" are you kidding?
wolfgame


BTW, what does a good teach mean? Like when you see somebody else putt on the same line?
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Yes...like getting a read off of another putt.....AHHHH!!!
BENNYSUPREME
I cann't say any thing on this topic because my spelling and english/grammer sucks blush.gif . i don't know how I earned A's in english and speech.

I guess being in the military using Acronyms and Abbreviations for everything you get away from using correct english and spelling things out. its like they say you don't use it you loose it, thats correct grammer or english.


by the way when someone finds out what a great teach means please let us know.

Bluefan75
QUOTE(99andaflake @ Jul 10 2008, 11:00 PM) *
QUOTE(Hifade @ Jul 11 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Agreed.....drives me nuts too and tey all say it now. Say goes for the people that say "incentivize." They say things like, "we can incentivize the salesforce." What's wrong with "we can incent the salesforce?"

The language butchers are rampant these days. People make stuff up anymore. Sorry for the rant but this stuff puts me on a roll.


I'm with you on "incentivize". Out of interest, is "incent" actually a word used in American dictionaries? In my Oxford English dictionary there is no entry for incent; incentive is defined as "tending to incite". So in my mind, your statement would be "we can incite the salesforce" or better still, "we can motivate the salesforce".

I'm well aware langauge is constantly evolving but why do people keep inventing words that make them sound like twats!?



I refer to that kind of use of language as "management-speak." I figure either a)the higher ups in companies somehow are impressed and promote people who use this crap in place of proper english, or b)everyone else has hopes of sounding smart as well, and so they do not call anyone else on these breaches, lest they be called on it themselves. Due to either of those reasons listed, it has been allowed to fester. It has now gotten out of control.

Of course, were we in a boardroom, I would have to suggest taking this item offline, or better yet, putting it in the parking lot.
bulldog8b
QUOTE(Bluefan75 @ Jul 11 2008, 09:25 AM) *
QUOTE(99andaflake @ Jul 10 2008, 11:00 PM) *
QUOTE(Hifade @ Jul 11 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Agreed.....drives me nuts too and tey all say it now. Say goes for the people that say "incentivize." They say things like, "we can incentivize the salesforce." What's wrong with "we can incent the salesforce?"

The language butchers are rampant these days. People make stuff up anymore. Sorry for the rant but this stuff puts me on a roll.


I'm with you on "incentivize". Out of interest, is "incent" actually a word used in American dictionaries? In my Oxford English dictionary there is no entry for incent; incentive is defined as "tending to incite". So in my mind, your statement would be "we can incite the salesforce" or better still, "we can motivate the salesforce".

I'm well aware langauge is constantly evolving but why do people keep inventing words that make them sound like twats!?



I refer to that kind of use of language as "management-speak." I figure either a)the higher ups in companies somehow are impressed and promote people who use this crap in place of proper english, or b)everyone else has hopes of sounding smart as well, and so they do not call anyone else on these breaches, lest they be called on it themselves. Due to either of those reasons listed, it has been allowed to fester. It has now gotten out of control.

Of course, were we in a boardroom, I would have to suggest taking this item offline, or better yet, putting it in the parking lot.


See, we are talking about 2 different tyes of idiots, both equally annoying. I'm talking about people who are just dumb. You're talking about dorky middle managers for life that try to make it appear they have an IQ higher than their shoe size when even the guy on his first day knows it isn't.

There was an entire article in Maxim awhile back about these types of words. I just tried to find but couldn't. It was a guide about how to use these words at work to make it sound like you were dong a great job when in reality you were reading golf websites all day. I wish i could find that article though, it was pretty funny.
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