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ejmac
Just a quick question: In a scramble format when putting if a player attempts his putt and misses, then proceeds to hole out before everyone has putted is it considered as hole completed, or do the others who have not yet putted still have the opportunity to putt?
Thanks for your help.
Tmiller72
Every scramble that i have played in, once the putt is holed the hole is over. If it's 1 inch, you have to mark it untill everybody else putts.
Slapjax7s
That is correct.

ejmac
Thanks to you both that is what I thought as well. I have a guy that likes to do this when we played once before so now I can tell him not to do it tomorrow.
kevcarter
QUOTE(ejmac @ Jun 7 2008, 04:30 PM) *
Thanks to you both that is what I thought as well. I have a guy that likes to do this when we played once before so now I can tell him not to do it tomorrow.


I'm curious where in the rule book this was found by those who responded?

Scramble rules can not be found in the rule book. You need to read the rules for every scramble you are playing in. This is actually one of the dumbest rules for a scramble ever invented, all it does is slow play down. Any scramble tournament administrator who cares about the players will not include this rule, and will allow tap ins to keep play moving.

Kevin
Slapjax7s
These are rules of a Scramble. If you look in any book especially the PGA manual, it will say to play out the hole until the ball is holed. Why would the player putt and tap it in before the other players finish the hole? That means they are giving up a birdie opportunity for a par? It has nothing to do with slow play. Scrambles dont take over 4 hours to play unless the field is huge.

Im sorry but what you just said makes no sense, defeats the purpose of a scramble.
wildwilly911
rules in a scramble thats a good one cheesy.gif if you leave yourself a tap in put it in and let the other team mates putt for lower score, it speeds up play on the green a lot.
minitour
QUOTE(CPCfitter @ Jun 7 2008, 08:56 PM) *
These are rules of a Scramble. If you look in any book especially the PGA manual, it will say to play out the hole until the ball is holed.

Which USGA or R&A rule is this? 47? Maybe Rule 69?

Oh wait...no...you won't find rules for a scramble in the Rules of Golf. Maybe the PGA publishes a manual on recommended "local rules" for these events, but like it or not there are no USGA rules governing a scramble.

I love it particularly when the rules sheet says "USGA rules apply".

-mini
Tmiller72
No, don't do that. ^^^^ Almost every scramble that I've played in the rules state that you can't tap anything in like that. I agree it's a dumb rule that slows play slightly, but the rules are the rules. You don't want to tap one in before the others putt and have someone turn you in.
Tmiller72
QUOTE(minitour @ Jun 8 2008, 03:43 PM) *
QUOTE(CPCfitter @ Jun 7 2008, 08:56 PM) *
These are rules of a Scramble. If you look in any book especially the PGA manual, it will say to play out the hole until the ball is holed.

Which USGA or R&A rule is this? 47? Maybe Rule 69?

Oh wait...no...you won't find rules for a scramble in the Rules of Golf. Maybe the PGA publishes a manual on recommended "local rules" for these events, but like it or not there are no USGA rules governing a scramble.

I love it particularly when the rules sheet says "USGA rules apply".

-mini


You don't have a copy of "Scramble For Dummies"? smile.gif
Slapjax7s
QUOTE(wildwilly911 @ Jun 8 2008, 02:56 PM) *
rules in a scramble thats a good one cheesy.gif if you leave yourself a tap in put it in and let the other team mates putt for lower score, it speeds up play on the green a lot.



Your still missing the point. Why would player A putt first then finish before the other players got to putt?? Once the ball is holed the hole is over.

MINITOUR, When did i mention usga or R&A? Oh waite...I DIDNT.
minitour
QUOTE(CPCfitter @ Jun 8 2008, 04:06 PM) *
MINITOUR, When did i mention usga or R&A? Oh waite...I DIDNT.

CPCFITTER,
You said "these are rules of a scramble". The United States Golf Association with the Royal and Ancient Golf Club (USGA & R&A) write the Rules of Golf.

Unless a scramble isn't supposed to be "golf", then the rules would come from one of those two books. The PGA doesn't have the authority to write it's own rules.

So (Grant) Waite [sic].....you did say rules.

-mini

PS
The hole isn't necessarily "over" when the ball is holed in golf. In fourball, if your partner is away putting for 3, but you are 2' away putting for 4, you may hole your putt. The order of who plays first on which side is irrelevant. Your side has the honor so you may putt. Thus freeing up the stroke (with a guaranteed 4) for your partner to give his 3rd shot a real run and a chance at going in. Thus, when you holed your ball, the hole was not over.
Slapjax7s
again never mentioned the rules of golf or r&a..ur putting words in my mouth. And Yes the PGA can
suggest rules for a scramble for their Golf Professionals. This is not Fourball its a scramble, different game.

But im not going to argue with a MINItour player. Go back and re read the thread buddy.
6t4gt0
Every scramble I've played in you can knock in the putt and the others can freewheel it for birdie.
harleypitbull1
Most of the scrambles played around here put " THE TAP IN RULE" on the rules sheet for the scramble. This being a local rule that DOES allow the putt to be tapped in prior to the other players putting for a lower score.

billsboy
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.
kevcarter
QUOTE(6t4gt0 @ Jun 9 2008, 02:46 PM) *
Every scramble I've played in you can knock in the putt and the others can freewheel it for birdie.


QUOTE(harleypitbull1 @ Jun 9 2008, 03:47 PM) *
Most of the scrambles played around here put " THE TAP IN RULE" on the rules sheet for the scramble. This being a local rule that DOES allow the putt to be tapped in prior to the other players putting for a lower score.


The professionals running those events understand that scrambles are supposed to be fun and fast. The no tap in rule will soon become a thing of the past for club events...

Kevin
harleypitbull1
QUOTE(billsboy @ Jun 9 2008, 04:51 PM) *
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.



Perfect example,,,,, just another local rule to speed up play. That one can also be a blessing on a good golf course with fast greens, lol
kevcarter
QUOTE(billsboy @ Jun 9 2008, 03:51 PM) *
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.


I have seen this rule being used for charity events in my area. Great idea as some of those events have gotten to be way over the 5 hour mark. That rule really helps move things along.

Kevin
Feddyvon
QUOTE(billsboy @ Jun 9 2008, 04:51 PM) *
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.


Can I please adapt this rule for my everyday play? 3 putts are killing me.
kevcarter
QUOTE(Feddyvon @ Jun 9 2008, 04:15 PM) *
QUOTE(billsboy @ Jun 9 2008, 04:51 PM) *
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.


Can I please adapt this rule for my everyday play? 3 putts are killing me.


I agree!

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browntown
QUOTE(billsboy @ Jun 9 2008, 04:51 PM) *
Every scramble I've ever played had a two-putt rule. So basically, once you're on the green, everyone on the team gets their shot at holing a one-putt, or it's an automatic two-putt. So there is no need for the two-footer or tap-in to be holed out.
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