A 7 at #1? Dear god he musta stuck one deep in the trees. That's a 411 yard hole with no water...guessing there is ob right, but definitely not left.

No ob right, but you can go deep in the pines. He was spraying his driver yesterday on the range all over kingdom come. Didn't look good for DD. I hope hi rights the ship soooooonnn!

Probably saw some of these things happening...

I didn't think there was ob right, was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Poor DD

He's the Barry Zito of golf.

Ouch. Not trying to be funny, but at this point I'd call that an insult to Zito. I'm thinking the trip to the 'pen will right the ship.

he needs to become an announcer in a hurry.

I guess I'll state the obvious. He's looking rather large and 'not' so in charge these days! Yikes!!

We got to see him hit off 1 tee yesterday. What happened after this I don't know. We didn't follow him to the green, I had to take a leak, and the beer was empty, so we walked off! (He has gotten quite large BTW, much bigger than he was before he lost all the weight). 1 is a slight dogleg right, bunker on the right, no OB within 500 yards. He lined up down the left to hit his normal cut, and hit a low snap hook that went 150 and dead into the trees. Had the gallery scattering. As deep as it was, I see that he could have had some trouble even getting it back to the fairway from there.

DD is about as bad as DiMarco now ....

I didn't want to jinx it today, but he's -4 on his round this morning. Tearing up the place, including a birdie on #1, where he made the 7 yesterday. Imo, the front 9 is much more easy than the back, so hopefully he can go lower! Go DD!!

His ghin index is an 11.5

I hope he can regain the game he showed in the late '90's and early '00's. IMO, he was the last pro who would stand toe-to-toe with Tiger and not flinch.
It does look as though he has regained his physique of the '90's.

From all the articles that we've seen the past couple of years, he seems like a great guy who has some admirable family values. I'd love to see him make a decent comeback. That said, I find it terribly difficult to fathom how somebody with that physical talent just does not seem to be able to find the inner drive to work on his game and get into some semblance of shape. I don't want to sound mean, but the guy is huge now. Not just for a professional athlete, but even for somebody who sits behind a desk all day. How can somebody who is financially set for life not be able to carve out an hour a day to work out, and then eat reasonably well?

I know that I never have (and never will) be able to put myself in his shoes. We have no idea what it's like to play under that pressure, and to make the sacrifices necessary to be world class at a sport. I guess the bottom line is that we don't have to understand what makes him tick....it's his life and he can lead it however he wants.

I know that Duval's swing always incorporated a few elements that were potentially a bit of a wek point; and I know that the mindis a powerful thing; but to see and hear of Duval hitting shots like the one alluded to above is amazing to me.

I saw Duval in his prime numerous times (including his win at Lytham) and he was one of the best ballstrikers I've ever seen. His final round 59 in the Bob Hope has to be one of the best tee-to-green rounds ever played.

How he's playing such appaliing golf as he currently is (and has been for some time) is incredible to me as an observer, in the same way that Sandy Lyle's struggles with the game were.

Whatever, he's a great example of a profesional golfer and I feel privileged to have seen him in person at his best. I know the 'Duval's back' threads are a bit of a running joke these days, but my honest feeling is that he'll never return to the Tour with any semblance of his former ability. Aside from the injury problems and his well-publicised vertigo, I think he's essentially lost interest in he game and his appearances are simply a nod to his sponsors in order to fulfil contractual obligations. If I got to the point where my personal life was such that it eclipsed my golf (even as a mere amateur), and my game slipped to the stage where I couldn't play to anything like my usual standard, I'd do the same and I'd put the clubs away.

It's a shame, but I think that's the truth of the matter.

what happened to DiMarco?

Dunno, but he's only made 3 cuts this year. And he wasn't too hot last year either...only made like 900k.

if that's the case, sounds like he might be enjoying life.

One day I hope to say, "I only made like $900,000 last year."

I've had worse years myself...

D@mn, only 900K. Let's pass the hat and start up a collection. I wonder if he can qualify for food stamps or medicare. I hope the government hurries up and sends him his economic stimulus check.

He'll be on a street corner with a cardboard sign - "Golf Pro in Need - Will tutor for ProV's"

All depends on your perspective boys. What I meant was that he finished like 100th on the money list.

DD has made 3 bogies in a row now.

DD has just gone 5 over on his last 5 holes including a bogey and a double bogey on par 5's. Looks like another MC. I hope he can make it back into the top 50 players on tour but it's doubtful.

Yup. The wheels came off big time.

i got mine....



i don't feel very stimulated though.


















and let's just leave it at that.

Damn, it must be tough playing with him as well. I know most guys are in a bubble, but you how do you block out those horrible shots all day long.

This game is funny, and I am always amazed at the people who play it so well, and then for whatever inexplicable reason just "lose" it.

Chip Beck (also shot a 59 by the way)
Ian Baker Finch
David

There are many others out there. Its such an ephemeral game. Some days, myself i play great, and then the next day i have a case of the laterals......where does it go?

I agree.

One day I am scaring par.....the next I am begging to not shoot 90. Difference between us and them.....our livelihood doesn't revolve around a little white ball. and in some of cases, theirs doesn't either (anymore).


but it must be tough to have it in the palm of your hand and then it be gone on a whim. so mentally taxing.

you know, crabby, i watched Duval shoot that 59 in 99 with my dad. I will never forget that afternoon. Great way to spend a sunday. I was sure at that point that Duval was going to be the biggest issue for tiger's dominance, and then a few years later.....*poof!* It was all over for him.

I remember him losing all the weight, and then he just sort of lost his form. Took some time off, and then disappeared.

I think he's an accomplished snow boarder too, but I could be wrong.

He would be a ratings killeer for sure. He could people to sleep during a sudden death playoff with 4 guys in it at Masters!

I really thought Duval was getting it turned around. He was very optimistic for this season. He says he still plays great at home. One good round could turn the whole thing around for him though. I hope he makes a comeback.

I truly believe that as well, which is why I get a little excited when I see that he's potentially going to post a good score.

It's funny, when Duval was in his prime no one really seemed to like him, now that he sucks, relativly speaking, everyone loves the guy. I think it would be a great story if he could come back, but I wouldn't bet my stimulus check on it.

Denver for a bigger city is not that big of a town if you know what I mean. It's common to run into the local atheltes and among them DD has to be one of the most genuine and nicest guys. He took at least ten minutes to talk to my nephew who can talk golf with the best of them, DD seemed just as thrilled to be talking with a 10 year old kid about golf as my nephew was in talking to David. I hope DD does get it back it's such a fine line between playing well and missing a cut, I just think he needs some success to feed off of.

Probably not, carrying the weight that he is. Most people that see themselves as accomplished snowboarders or skiers for that matter are usually in some sort of shape. I just don't see that with Duval.

While that sounds like a lot, I wonder after expenses how much it really translates into? Do the tournaments pick up travel and housing? Food?

I guess even if your expenses were $300,000 it is still very good money.

The two so called professional golfers mentioned in this thread are nothing more than "Also Ran, Has Been, Journey-Man, Coupon Clippers. I guess you can't fault them for showing up and making easy "Pimp Money" for coming in 65th or whatever, but as far as ever being a force on the Tour again,.....Forget it. Neither one could ever earn a living in the "Real" world, so they may as well just keep on "Clipping" those coupons.

Idiotic comments like these help prove the theory of evolution. Some have not evolved as much as the rest of us.

I remember my first beer too! Don't worry, it will wear off soon.

He will never be able to regain what he had when he was in his "prime".

Wow those were some Harsh comments on two pretty good players

I know Chris Dimarco is fighting his way back from injurys he just needs to take a break and regroup a bit I think he will be fine.



David Duval seriously if he never breaks eighty again does not have to apologize for his game to anyone.

He just does not and has not for a while seem to be able to hit a fairway.

He still putts very well , and I am pretty sure has a good iron game

Does anyone know who he works with on his swing. Oh well I think its time for a change.

He will not comeback till the driver does

Maybe he needs and equipment change?

He has worked with a lot of people, but I think he may be back with his old college coach Puggy Blackman.

Everyone is talking about how big he has gotten, but everything I've seen says he is 6' tall and 180lbs. I admit I don't watch much golf, but it doesn't look like he is terribly out of shape. Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know.

Yes, you are missing something. Duval was chunky his early days on tour. Then he got real thin and muscular. He's now real chunky and pretty much out of shape. I think he has said something like the working out contributed to his bad back, so he doesn't work out anymore.

I remember seeing Duval at Lytham in '96 and he was almost unrecognisable from his heyday. He must have weighed in at at least 15 stone, and he seemed quite out of shape.

I saw him a couple of years later and he looked like a different person. He looked gaunt and must have lost about 6 inches off his waist measurement. Admittedly, he was reportedly in good physical shape, but it wasn't long before back injuries started to take their toll.

I've no idea what the principal cause of his disastrous los of form is (and, frankly, it's not really any of my business) but it's a shame that one of the most gifted players I've ever seen hit a ball has been reduced to garnering a bit of sympathetic applause on his occasional tournament forays. The back problems and other injuries can obviously wreak havoc with a golf swing, and vertigo is potentially a career-ending condition. His personal life has also been slavishly blamed as a big factor in his loss of form.

I've not seen him play up close for years now, but from what I gather his main weakness seems to be an inability to keep big scores off his card and a tendency to go on bogey runs that soon rack up to a score in the 80s. His driving, from what I've heard, is sometimes horrendously bad.

The glimpses of Duval that I've seen don't look anything like the player that I remember and I don't see the same determination that I once saw. The swing looks remarkably similar to how it used to be, but I don't think the man swinging the club has the same drive and desire that he once had. That's not a criticism of Duval, just my opinion.

Whatever the whys and wherefors, the fact of the matter is that he was, for a time, the best player in the world and was one of the most gifted ballstrikers I've ever seen. That sort of thing doesn't come easily or without a modicum of talent. Whether you like him as a person or not, to call him a 'no-hoper' or a 'coupon clipper' is an appalling lack of respect given what he achieved in the game in a relatively short career.

I think it's unfortunate that he's in a position where he'shaving to play, and play poorly, in order to fulfil his sponsor's obligations. Inevitably a formerly-great player becomes a bit of a circus act when they're out playing poorly and it reflects badly on the player and detracts from their reputation. It's a great shame, since I'll always remember Duval's victory at Lytham as being some fine golf from a fine player, and, for me, he's been the only serious challenger to Woods' supremacy in the last decade. To see him chopping it round in 80 is a real shame.

You, should research Friedrich Nietzsche!