bstone boy
Apr 13 2008, 05:31 PM
This years Masters has been my least favorite in recent memory to watch. Lacks a certain excitement for me....
Am I the only one feeling this way?
bluetrane
Apr 13 2008, 05:33 PM
agreed. I enjoyed last year a lot more.
golferallan
Apr 13 2008, 05:42 PM
i've been doing a lot of other things while watching, it just lacks the excitement factor as said above ^^... its just really boring and nothing has been great in my opinion except Snedeker's eagle on 2.... i dont mind having Immelman win, the only problem is i lost a bet to my dad.. if tiger wins i wud get a new 3W and if he didnt then i would have to wash his truck every thursday for a month.. so that's the only bummer part
beachgrovejunior
Apr 13 2008, 05:46 PM
I think its great, i love immelmans swing and snedekers so to get to watch them play every shot is great.
Also i picked immelman to win in both of my masters pools so im not complaining!
DaveyH
Apr 13 2008, 05:48 PM
i loved poulters hole in 1!!!
''hey #1 u see my hole in 1?''
''yeh great shot''
''did you not get a hole in 1?''
''no''
''you suck''
blade_man
Apr 13 2008, 06:07 PM
I want the immel man to win, just want it to get over with before he implodes! Double on 16 missed shot on 17....what else!?
mat562
Apr 13 2008, 06:11 PM
It is a long time since the glory days of '86, '88 and '89...
dsilvers
Apr 13 2008, 06:14 PM
not that it wasnt enjoyable, was just dissapointing really....maybe becuase i just wanted Tiger to come back
titleistnutter
Apr 13 2008, 06:15 PM
last years open was the best major for a while for me...perhaps since the van der velde episode
Birdie Retriever
Apr 13 2008, 06:16 PM
QUOTE(mat562 @ Apr 13 2008, 05:11 PM)

It is a long time since the glory days of '86, '88 and '89...
The battle between Dimarco and Tiger in '05 was by far the best tournament I have ever seen.
Tiger had an opportunity today just too many missed putts.
henry wilson
Apr 13 2008, 06:17 PM
Looked like a US Open to me. A survival test, not the action and drama we have seen at Augusta before the course changes. Bring back the old course!!!!!
SteelPride
Apr 13 2008, 06:17 PM
Agreed...i was cooking all day, and sometimes i would forget the tourney was on....
Although I think this is a testiment to how human Tiger is. The point being, the guy doesnt hit every put. In fact, he can also miss 7 foot birdie putts now and again. Im glad some of these youngsters are stepping up though and taking advantage of when Tiger is "off" (even though it looks like he will be second place)
Well played, Trevor. But this was for sure a boring masters...oh well.
Smokey1226
Apr 13 2008, 06:17 PM
I think the #1 thing that makes this Masters less enjoyable for me is that it's not a duo of players going off for the win....and this year its a whole field of guys loseing strokes left and right. Granted there have been some great shots, but not like in the past. just my $.02
archeraz
Apr 13 2008, 06:23 PM
Congrats, credit, and kudos to Immelman, but this was train wreck golf at it's worst: flat, boring, and uninteresting.
My suggestion: Fire Fazio, yank out the new trees, move some of the worst tee boxes back up, put #7 back the way it was, and give the Sub-air system a rest. None of it's likely to happen.
philfan316
Apr 13 2008, 06:29 PM
CONGRATS TO GARY, From Team America World Police
mat562
Apr 13 2008, 06:31 PM
Slapjax7s
Apr 13 2008, 06:31 PM
I dont care who wins this tournament. This one always gives me the chills when I watch. Im really happy for Trevor Immelman, I enjoyed this one.
OK now i can finally play call of duty 4!!
golferallan
Apr 13 2008, 06:38 PM
beachgrovejuinor how do u choose immelman for both pools that seems like a total joke...
bstone boy
Apr 13 2008, 06:38 PM
Ya I didn't mind Trevor winning. It just didn't excite me at all. Too many short putts missed and impossible shots into greens where there only chance to make birdie is to hit a 65ft. putt. I agree that they should go to the traditional setup. It would be alot more exciting....
archeraz I think you described it perfectly.
mnavarro
Apr 13 2008, 07:02 PM
Wire to Wire victories can be boring. He clearly was striking the ball very well, but in general I don't get comparing his ball striking to Hogan. I don't see what's so good about his swing vs. other professionals. This guy has won one other PGA Tour victory in 4 years and now he's the second coming of Hogan. Give me a break, he almost fell apart.
DRGJR72
Apr 13 2008, 07:08 PM
Exciting, Thrilling??? Maybe not...but it was nice to root for a guy that has not won a major and was hanging on the entire back nine. I watched all of his interviews and found him to be a likable sort and was able to turn that into enough motivation to root for him on Sunday. Agreed it was not a nail biter, especially after he opened up a six stroke lead. But it was still fun to root for a guy coming in, to not mess it up and get his first major.
Way to go Trevor, way to right the ship and get it done!!!!!
mat562
Apr 13 2008, 07:08 PM
In fairness the Hogan Comparison came from Gary 'Superlative' Player who has a bit of a track record of everything being the best/most/fastest/fittest ever.
Swingtheclub
Apr 13 2008, 07:12 PM
I found it very exciting, But then I have loved every Masters I have ever seen. Its my favorite week of the year hell I even played good today.
As for Immelman the first one is always the hardest.
1st in driving accuracy
1st in GIR's
4th in Driving distance
pretty good ball striking
I think a lot of people are disappointed because Tiger aint going to win the Slam he may not even win a Major this year?
sandy
Apr 13 2008, 07:14 PM
Totally agree. Usually stay for the whole tournament but left after Friday this year. Course is just another U.S. Open wannabe at this point. Now you must drive accurately or you pay the price. Check the difference between Tiger and Trevor this week....
I see by the results that Tiger now only has 14 more second place finishes to tie Nicklaus in majors... But Jack most often finished second by a stroke. Thought Tiger had a much better understanding of his total game than he did in 2000. After this years U.S. Open Tiger will have to catch Jack in majors by winning British and PGAs unless they return Augusta to something close to just 4 years ago....
Bottom line BORING BORING BORING
I guess Gary Player forgot what Hogan's ball striking was like, but Trevor is no where near as pure a ball striker as Hogan--this week or ever. Another of Gary's exaggerations.
Imperium
Apr 13 2008, 07:24 PM
QUOTE(henry wilson @ Apr 13 2008, 03:17 PM)

Looked like a US Open to me. A survival test, not the action and drama we have seen at Augusta before the course changes. Bring back the old course!!!!!
Couldn't agree more!!!
Swingtheclub
Apr 13 2008, 07:25 PM
QUOTE(mat562 @ Apr 13 2008, 08:08 PM)

In fairness the Hogan Comparison came from Gary 'Superlative' Player who has a bit of a track record of everything being the best/most/fastest/fittest ever.
this is true Matt buddy but at least Gary got to see both of them hit balls in person. Who on this forum has watched the two of them as much?
PKMillerJr
Apr 13 2008, 07:28 PM
QUOTE(bstone boy @ Apr 13 2008, 06:31 PM)

This years Masters has been my least favorite in recent memory to watch. Lacks a certain excitement for me....
Am I the only one feeling this way?
I thought the camera work was horrible by CBS. Anyone else agree?
mat562
Apr 13 2008, 07:32 PM
My feelings exactly about the course. I've alluded to my feelings on here before and it seems that criticising Augusta is tantamount to high treason.
The course is now too long, and several holes have been made too narrow and forced the players into hitting clubs for their approaches that the greens were never designed to receive. The fact that the greens are now quicker than in years past just exacerbates the problem.
Most of the holes need restoring to something like they were five years ago, and a lot of the trees that have been snuck in need to be removed in my opinion. Holes like #4 and #7 need to be drastically altered, and #11 is now a ridiculous hole.
I agree with sandy that the par obsession apperas to have crept into Augusta - notwithstanding Immelman's score this week.
It all makes for a very staid Masters and the prospect of a thrilling finish with a glut of birdies and eagles is a very slight one now as a result.
I'm glad I've got '86 on tape to watch over and over.
golfdad907
Apr 13 2008, 07:38 PM
QUOTE(PKMillerJr @ Apr 13 2008, 07:28 PM)

QUOTE(bstone boy @ Apr 13 2008, 06:31 PM)

This years Masters has been my least favorite in recent memory to watch. Lacks a certain excitement for me....
Am I the only one feeling this way?
I thought the camera work was horrible by CBS. Anyone else agree?
Glad someone else noticed. Don't know what happened, other than Tiger played bad (relative to himself, came in Top 3?), Phil gacked, and there was no real story other than Immelman and Gary Player being South African.
What was with all the commercials? Didn't The Masters used to be , limited commercial interruption? And CBS cameramen? Lost balls in flight, showing guys with 'difficult' chip shots and the like, not even following the ball...
Maybe the Masters needs Johnny Miller - LOL.
Hope the rest of the majors, including the Players is better covered and more exciting....
mat562
Apr 13 2008, 07:38 PM
QUOTE(kenk7us2002 @ Apr 13 2008, 07:25 PM)

...this is true Matt buddy but at least Gary got to see both of them hit balls in person. Who on this forum has watched the two of them as much?
I agree he's in a position to have seen them both first hand Ken, but I think most people in the game would take his comments with a lorryload of salt. Player's soundbites are always amusing. They never describe someone or something as 'very good' or 'excellent' but always as being 'the best of all time' or 'greatest ever.'
I think most people notice this and, even with Immelman's fine play this week, have applied the same pinch of salt this time round.
Player gave an interviewfor UK TV on Friday and, as usual afterwards, I didn't feel enlightened as I do after a Tom Watson or Nicklaus interview; but like I'd just had a telling off from my dad...
golf1010
Apr 13 2008, 07:40 PM
camera work sucked no close up of putts not that many switches back and forth of different players i couldnt see the hole on most putts. cbs terrible job
PurePursuit
Apr 13 2008, 07:47 PM
Immelman has a pure rotary style release left golf swing and hits very similar angles to hogan. His stats are a testament to his swing and how effective it is. He's going to get better also IMO.
BEND OF THE RIVER GC
Apr 13 2008, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(kenk7us2002 @ Apr 13 2008, 08:12 PM)

I found it very exciting, But then I have loved every Masters I have ever seen. Its my favorite week of the year hell I even played good today.
As for Immelman the first one is always the hardest.
1st in driving accuracy
1st in GIR's
4th in Driving distance
pretty good ball striking
I think a lot of people are disappointed because Tiger aint going to win the Slam he may not even win a Major this year?
I will take Tiger versus the FIELD at Torrey Pines any day of the week.
j0npeterson
Apr 13 2008, 08:01 PM
After hearing Trevor give his acceptance speech...
He's now one of my new favorites. He was so thankful. He's a class act.
Samsquanch
Apr 13 2008, 08:03 PM
QUOTE(philfan316 @ Apr 13 2008, 04:29 PM)

CONGRATS TO GARY, From Team America World Police

Hahahahahaha
birdiemachine11
Apr 13 2008, 08:06 PM
Snedeker didn't win, it was very unenjoyable.
Swingtheclub
Apr 13 2008, 08:07 PM
QUOTE(BEND OF THE RIVER GC @ Apr 13 2008, 08:54 PM)

QUOTE(kenk7us2002 @ Apr 13 2008, 08:12 PM)

I found it very exciting, But then I have loved every Masters I have ever seen. Its my favorite week of the year hell I even played good today.
As for Immelman the first one is always the hardest.
1st in driving accuracy
1st in GIR's
4th in Driving distance
pretty good ball striking
I think a lot of people are disappointed because Tiger aint going to win the Slam he may not even win a Major this year?
I will take Tiger versus the FIELD at Torrey Pines any day of the week.
Did not Phil grow up there stat wise he beat Tiger bad this week the problem being he putted worse than Tiger.
Hopefuly by the US Open Phil will have his putting straightened out Tiger probably will too I also expect some more young players to step up as Immelman did this week. Honestly I just wish some more were Americans.
If I was where you are I would take that bet
Ken
tbhuskie8
Apr 13 2008, 08:24 PM
I enjoyed watching Immelman execute every shot very well, but I was waiting for the minute he'd start making huge mistakes so that Tiger could make his charge.... Neither happened, whatev. I didn't enjoy this Masters very much. The 2005 Masters was by far the most exciting tournament I've seen in several years. IMO...
jamesduncan
Apr 13 2008, 09:19 PM
I think it was "understated" today simply due to the crazy conditions (25 mph winds)
The guys were just trying to survive the combo of wind and a now very long course.
Still fun to watch, although watching that rerun of the 78 Masters before was amazing!
I still love that era the most, the era of feel players and great putting. All the contenders were draining everything and going for broke on a back nine that allowed for risk and rewarded perfect shot making.
Not fair to compare, but I was glued to the set as they played it (I reven emember watching that as a 10 year old!)
dachtor
Apr 13 2008, 09:21 PM
I didn't enjoy this masters as much either but I will say wire to wire victories aren't as exciting in any tournament. In addition, immelman just isn't an emotional player and therefore appeared somewhat dull.
DangerousGolfer
Apr 13 2008, 09:26 PM
I enjoyed it. Neither of my guys did what I wanted, but I enjoyed watching the players play the course this year. Seemed like a U.S. Open on the greens.
That being said, it's never fun watching the chasers fall away while the leader holds still.
dachtor
Apr 13 2008, 09:30 PM
QUOTE(mat562 @ Apr 13 2008, 08:32 PM)

My feelings exactly about the course. I've alluded to my feelings on here before and it seems that criticising Augusta is tantamount to high treason.
The course is now too long, and several holes have been made too narrow and forced the players into hitting clubs for their approaches that the greens were never designed to receive. The fact that the greens are now quicker than in years past just exacerbates the problem.
Most of the holes need restoring to something like they were five years ago, and a lot of the trees that have been snuck in need to be removed in my opinion. Holes like #4 and #7 need to be drastically altered, and #11 is now a ridiculous hole.
I agree with sandy that the par obsession apperas to have crept into Augusta - notwithstanding Immelman's score this week.
It all makes for a very staid Masters and the prospect of a thrilling finish with a glut of birdies and eagles is a very slight one now as a result.
I'm glad I've got '86 on tape to watch over and over.
Here's the thing.....As to the comments about the course being too hard..... The leader was -11 after 3 rounds. -8 won and there were 10 players under par. I'd say that's fine for the Masters given that there would have been a lot more under par had it not been for the wind today. It's different here in Georgia. We don't have wind on a regular basis, so courses have to be designed and setup as if there will be no wind. That's why when you do see wind at the Masters it makes scoring conditions extremely difficult. For comparison, when you look at many Open Championship Courses (which are designed and setup assuming the wind will be present), they are pretty much defenseless when there isn't any wind.
soberguy16
Apr 13 2008, 09:48 PM
i think the winning score at 8 under is a good total for the masters, it was just very windy and pretty hard conditions today. i was more disappointed that nobody challenged immelman...had someone stood up and challenged him a bit i think that immelman may have folded...it seemed like the pressure was getting to him early on and he got some good breaks and luckily sank a few clutch putts. watching him play 17 and 18 with only a one stroke lead after double bogeying 16 would have been much mre entertaining...his bunker shot on 17 may not have been so tight and his hands may have been a bit sweatier on that 3 footer for par...not to mention his second into 18 out of a divot. i just wanted a little more drama down the end. midway through the day i really thought flesch was gonna pull it out...until he just unravelled to my amazement
willamette
Apr 13 2008, 10:00 PM
Well, it wasn't all that fun watching the same guy stay in the #1 spot and have absolutely NOBODY challenge him. I'm beginning to hate Cink...I keep wanting to root for him but he's got a case of the Sunday blues everytime he's in contention. As for Brant, well give him a few years. Feel good for T.I. - excellent work on a difficult course.
My only complaints are holes #17 and 18....after a fun stretch 11-16, those two holes just bore me....straight away long par 4s....booo for ending a major championship....18 could be a great par 5 if was lengthened a bit...would be nice opportunity for someone to step up.
Other than that, nothing is wrong with Augusta....-8 (and it really should have been lower, considering the soft conditions/easier pins Saturday and T.I. wet ball on #16) is like a respectable number...not too hard or easy. With most guys driving between 270-300, the added length really shouldn't be a problem. If Woods can't put in the fairway or that short rough, he needs to work more on his driving.
bluetrane
Apr 13 2008, 10:52 PM
QUOTE(willamette @ Apr 13 2008, 10:00 PM)

Well, it wasn't all that fun watching the same guy stay in the #1 spot and have absolutely NOBODY challenge him. I'm beginning to hate Cink...I keep wanting to root for him but he's got a case of the Sunday blues everytime he's in contention. As for Brant, well give him a few years. Feel good for T.I. - excellent work on a difficult course.
My only complaints are holes #17 and 18....after a fun stretch 11-16, those two holes just bore me....straight away long par 4s....booo for ending a major championship....18 could be a great par 5 if was lengthened a bit...would be nice opportunity for someone to step up.
Other than that, nothing is wrong with Augusta....-8 (and it really should have been lower, considering the soft conditions/easier pins Saturday and T.I. wet ball on #16) is like a respectable number...not too hard or easy. With most guys driving between 270-300, the added length really shouldn't be a problem. If Woods can't put in the fairway or that short rough, he needs to work more on his driving.
It doesn't matter how he drives it, if he can't make the putts. I thought he spanked the ball around pretty good. I agree that 17 is a little bit of a letdown. I enjoyed the high scores from last year's masters.
beachgrovejunior
Apr 13 2008, 11:00 PM
QUOTE(golferallan @ Apr 13 2008, 03:38 PM)

beachgrovejuinor how do u choose immelman for both pools that seems like a total joke...
I chose him for the golfwrx one, as hes one of my favorite guys and i thought he would do pretty good, and then there was another pool where there were 10 different groups, of 5, so i picked him in that too, i guessed right
dlygrisse
Apr 13 2008, 11:11 PM
QUOTE(mat562 @ Apr 13 2008, 07:32 PM)

My feelings exactly about the course. I've alluded to my feelings on here before and it seems that criticising Augusta is tantamount to high treason.
The course is now too long, and several holes have been made too narrow and forced the players into hitting clubs for their approaches that the greens were never designed to receive. The fact that the greens are now quicker than in years past just exacerbates the problem.
Most of the holes need restoring to something like they were five years ago, and a lot of the trees that have been snuck in need to be removed in my opinion. Holes like #4 and #7 need to be drastically altered, and #11 is now a ridiculous hole.
I agree with sandy that the par obsession apperas to have crept into Augusta - notwithstanding Immelman's score this week.
It all makes for a very staid Masters and the prospect of a thrilling finish with a glut of birdies and eagles is a very slight one now as a result.
I'm glad I've got '86 on tape to watch over and over.
Agreed, I liked it more when someone had the chance to eagle 13 and 15, make a few birdies on the par 4's and shoot 30 coming home if they played well. That used to be the beauty of Augusta, if you gambled you could be rewarded, or be punished depending on how well you played. Now if you dont hit it 330+ dead straight you have no chance for birdie. Too much like the US Open and the PGA IMO. Still a great tournament, but not nearly as exciting. Players like Seve would have a hard time winning there now, the creativity has been taken away to some extent, now it is more about accuracy, that is why Immelman and Zach Johnson are the last two winners.
proguy
Apr 13 2008, 11:16 PM
The masters has become set up too hard. It has the same feel as a US open, fear of bad shots and no fireworks on the back nine like previous years. If you do not have the lead going into the final day you are pressed to make up ground on a tough course. I miss the Sunday back nine eagle, birdies and hole in ones. Masters where did you go?
poppyhillsguy
Apr 13 2008, 11:37 PM
It was a terrible Masters. Augusta is now a US Open Clone Course. The days of a back nine charge are over. I'm "old school" so I guess I must conform with the times.
Brandt's pace of play is so refreshing and his honesty at the news conference won me over. I'm a Brandt fan for life.
p.s.
Steve Flesch choked and gave up after 12.
Strategery
Apr 14 2008, 12:03 AM
This year's Masters sucked. Boring! Immelman's pre-shot routine is exactly why only die-hard golfers watch golf. Snedeker was refreshing at least. Phil fell apart, Cink always gasses, Casey is a d*ck, Flesch is a trainwreck (would have been fun to watch him be more in contention and then crumble),. Tiger is still unreal; how can he play terrible and finish second?
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